The Seven Hills the harlot Sits on

[Just_a_Christian]

One has to keep on mind the time frame. The Old Covenant is no longer in effect. A covenant Israel failed to keep. Jesus has obeyed every bit of the Law as He clearly stated that is why He came.

Christ has made the sacrifice for sin, fulfilling the Law for all who will believe on Him. As He gave up the ghost God rips the veil of the Holy of Holies because at that time Jesus becomes the High Preist after the order of Melchizedec as Hebrews 3 states. Christ has also instituted the New Covenant which abolished the Old Covenant.

Israel becomes apostate because they will not accept the New Covenant, nor Christ as their promised messiah. Apostate Israel has nothing to do with Christians who are spiritual Israel, as they are not the subject to the judgment of the Harlot. Long ago in Jeremiah 3 as well as Ezekiel 16 God has revealed her!

I'm keeping the timeframe correct in my interpretation of Revelation. The people of the old covenant were apostate long, long before Paul foretold of the falling away. It was impossible for Paul to "foretell" of that which has already occurred. I am also aware of the FACT that there are those who can not accept the TRUTH in this matter (and many more) and, at the same time, keep that ball rolling.

 

[Douggg]

Scripture is always greater than personal opinion.

Which is why Ezekiel 39:17-29, Jesus Himself speaking in the text verses 21-29, following Armageddon in verses 17-20, makes it crystal clear that the 7 year 70th week follows directly after Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 39:4.

 

[Erik Nelson]

The Seven Hills is a MISNOMER from the start. The 7 Headed Beast IS = to the Seven Mountains and they are ALSO 7 Kings.....5 have fallen {Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece} ON IS {Rome}, and one is YET TO COME {Anti-Christ}.

So the 7 Headed Beat is = to 7 Powers who ARISE. How can it be a city on 7 hills/mountains, when its 7 different Kingdoms ?

God is telling us about KINGS WHO FALL............But also about Kings who Arose.

Now who is the only Beast {Beast Head} to both ARISE and FALL ? Only the Anti-Christ both Arises as a Beast and FALLS as a Beast whilst never passing his Kingdom on to another. That is the whole point of describing the 7 WHO ARISE {like Mountains} and the 7 who EVENTUALLY ALL FALL !!

Rome was widely known as the "city on seven hills"

seven kings =

1. Caesar
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba
8. Otho

under Nero, Rome burned to the ground = mortal wound healed

 

[Erik Nelson]

if preterist are correct, when exactly did Christ return to earth to rule for 1000 years?

Revelation 19 clearly describes Christ in HEAVEN.

Yes, the figure in revelation 19 must be Christ.

Revelation 1:12-16, 2:16
Heb 4:12

yet in revelation 19. He remains in HEAVEN with the Angels. The Second coming to EARTH. Is Final Judgment at the Great White throne.

Preterism does not have to be premillennial. There is a very strong argument for postmillennialism

 

[Erik Nelson]

Which is why Ezekiel 39:17-29, Jesus Himself speaking in the text verses 21-29, following Armageddon in verses 17-20, makes it crystal clear that the 7 year 70th week follows directly after Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 39:4.

Even more clearly, Revelation 20:7-9 EXPLICITLY identifies ITSELF as the time of Gog and Magog.

 

[Kaon]

No she represents the false religion of a false God, and that will apply to the entire world who worships the AC.



It is that false religion that will be gone in one day when Christ returns and exposes the AC as a false God. This religion controlled global trade via the mark of the beast and that ends at the second coming.

harlots in the bible are defiled churches.

Have you played attention to the religion of America, or have you scoffed at the picketers, for example, who realize what it stands for. Have you noticed the architecture? The symbols? The behavior of the people? Magical wards? It's the same old Egyptian, derived from Babylonian MYSTERY. The people unwittingly participate.

America IS the mystery. It is the queen that is not a widow. The entire MYSTERY is built into the framework of the States while elegantly misdirecting their spiritual status to other nations and times, even.

 

[Erik Nelson]

harlots in the bible are defiled churches.

Have you played attention to the religion of America, or have you scoffed at the picketers, for example, who realize what it stands for. Have you noticed the architecture? The symbols? The behavior of the people? Magical wards? It's the same old Egyptian, derived from Babylonian MYSTERY. The people unwittingly participate.

America IS the mystery. It is the queen that is not a widow. The entire MYSTERY is built into the framework of the States while elegantly misdirecting their spiritual status to other nations and times, even.

That was 2000 years ago. Today, "Gog and Magog" is a GLOBAL phenomenon. No single country has a monopoly. On. Secular libertine. proclivities

 

[Kaon]

That was 2000 years ago. Today, "Gog and Magog" is a GLOBAL phenomenon. No single country has a monopoly. On. Secular libertine. proclivities

Except for the Babylon - specifically because the rest of the nations that drank deliciously from the wine of her fornication will be watching as it falls one day.

In other words, Babylon's fall is not a global event except for the fact that the world will quickly lose an immense trade partner (no more selling weapons, inappropriate content, politics, etc. to the world.)

Time doesn't matter; events matter only. And, as I said the US is a literal homage to MYSTERY with its architecture, sociology, history, and government. There are monuments, buildings and systems that honor specific gods. There is even a statue of the queen of heaven...

If you live in the States, just know the Most High God protects His own. But, America is a beacon for MYSTERY. It is in your face everywhere you go.

 

[Revealing Times]

Rome was widely known as the "city on seven hills"

seven kings =

1. Caesar
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba
8. Otho

under Nero, Rome burned to the ground = mortal wound healed

And that has absolutely nothing to do with this Prophecy, even if true, they say Jerusalem has 7 hills also. The fact that people can't see the truths here is all that matters. The 7 Heads are about 7 Beasts, in Rev. 13 we see the Lion, Leopard and Bear mentioned because these Heads are FALLEN POWERS. Why do you think those Daniel Beasts are mentioned ?

Those Roman leaders have ZERO to do with the Prophecy, and the 8th King is Apollyon, he was of the 7 means he was once a Demon Entity placed as a POWER { Ephesians 6:12 } over the region, thus he was over the 5 who had fallen and Rome before they fell, and he was then placed in the bottomless pit. He will be freed in the 1st Woe. He is Apollyon.

 

[Revealing Times]

That's not even possible since no mountains on the beast fell in the past since it rises with all 7 intact. The manuscripts the KJV do not make this terrible mistake and do not wrongly equate the 7 heads with 7 kings, 6 having fallen long before the beast actually rises from the sea.

Which only shows you don't understand the prophecy.

It isn't which is also why the verse says she sits on the 7 mountains not only sitting on two since 5 supposed fell:

"The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." none of these mountains are fallen.

Good grief man. You must be knew at the prophecy. She sat on 7 means she was around for all 7, 5 have fallen, ONE IS {Rome} and one is YET TO COME {Anti-Christ}, we have people not called to Prophecy trying to teach this stuff.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

none of these mountains are fallen in fact one was wounded and heals instead of falls.

7 heads also being 7 kings which fall and only the 7th is left is not true scripture.

This is correct:

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Verse 17 is a completely different subject than what is in verse 16. None of the heads fall, but most of the kings fall.

The Heads represent the Kings who have Arises......then the Kings who fell..........but only the LAST HEAD both Arises and Falls. Its up to you to grasp that. It's not going to change.

 

[timothyu]

Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom. What would we call a religion built upon He and His Kingdom that rejoined the government of man? What did it gain for itself by selling out?

 

[Just_a_Christian]

Which only shows you don't understand the prophecy.


Good grief man. You must be knew at the prophecy. She sat on 7 means she was around for all 7, 5 have fallen, ONE IS {Rome} and one is YET TO COME {Anti-Christ}, we have people not called to Prophecy trying to teach this stuff.


The Heads represent the Kings who have Arises......then the Kings who fell..........but only the LAST HEAD both Arises and Falls. Its up to you to grasp that. It's not going to change.

The antichrist is yet to come? Not according to the truth, scripture.
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. - 1 John 2:18

 

[ewq1938]

Rome was widely known as the "city on seven hills"

seven kings =

1. Caesar
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba
8. Otho

under Nero, Rome burned to the ground = mortal wound healed

The problem with that is the Rev 13:1 beast has all 7 heads intact so they clearly cannot be successive Caesar's. The 7 heads are mountains, which are areas of land. They are not kings or Caesars.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

"having seven heads" not having one head with 6 dead heads. The kings are the horns not the heads.


Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

 

[ewq1938]

yet in revelation 19. He remains in HEAVEN with the Angels.

How can you say that when the text literal says he leaves heaven?

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

He is on a horse which represents that he is going to be traveling.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And his armies followed him which means he didn't stay in heaven.

We have to stick with what the text says else we are creating our own text.

 

[ewq1938]

harlots in the bible are defiled churches.

Have you played attention to the religion of America, or have you scoffed at the picketers, for example, who realize what it stands for. Have you noticed the architecture? The symbols? The behavior of the people? Magical wards? It's the same old Egyptian, derived from Babylonian MYSTERY. The people unwittingly participate.

America IS the mystery. It is the queen that is not a widow. The entire MYSTERY is built into the framework of the States while elegantly misdirecting their spiritual status to other nations and times, even.

You are thinking way too small thinking the US is Babylon. Babylon is global.

 

[ewq1938]

Which only shows you don't understand the prophecy.

Yet you do not attempt to comment on the fact that all 7 heads are intact which proves your interpretation to be wrong. The difference is you claim I am wrong, but I prove you are wrong. That's the stronger position which matches with what scripture presents.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

In your view, 6 of the heads have fallen and can't be a current part of this beast yet here we all can see that the beast has all 7 heads.

 

[ewq1938]

The antichrist is yet to come?

Yes. You even posted the verse which says it, "antichrist shall come" that means the singular AC had not been present yet. The AC "shall come" which is future.

 

[Douggg]

Even more clearly, Revelation 20:7-9 EXPLICITLY identifies ITSELF as the time of Gog and Magog.

Hi Erik, in analogy, we had Germany involved in WW1 and WW2. In similitude, there is the Gog/Magog participation in Ezekiel 38/39, then a thousand years later, Gog/Magog involved in Revelation 20:7-9.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Just The Facts said: ↑
Hello All So what is this city that sits on Seven Hills. That by Default must also be a religious system that has the Blood of Saints on its hands.

The Seven Hills is a MISNOMER from the start. The 7 Headed Beast IS = to the Seven Mountains and they are ALSO 7 Kings.....5 have fallen {Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece} ONE IS {Rome}, and one is YET TO COME {Anti-Christ}.

So the 7 Headed Beast is = to 7 Powers who ARISE. How can it be a city on 7 hills/mountains, when it's 7 different Kingdoms ? !!

That's not even possible since no mountains on the beast fell in the past since it rises with all 7 intact. The manuscripts the KJV do not make this terrible mistake and do not wrongly equate the 7 heads with 7 kings, 6 having fallen long before the beast actually rises from the sea.

I might put that up on the Christian Scriptures board. This is profound.[I have chapter 17 up on this link:

Exposition & Bible Study

How would the correct rendering change the eschatological views on vss 9 and 10?

Some Bible versions:

Revelation 17:10 biblehub

New American Standard Bible
and they are seven kings; five have fallen,
King James Bible
And there are seven kings: five are fallen,....
English Standard Version
they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen
New International Version
They are also seven kings. Five have fallen.............
English Revised Version
and they are seven kings; the five are fallen
Berean Study Bible
There are also seven kings. Five have fallen,
Darby Bible Translation
And there are seven kings:
Douay-Rheims Bible
9 upon which the woman sitteth, and they are seven kings
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Here is a word for word translation from the Greek text and interlinear:

καὶ βασιλεῖς ἑπτά εἰσιν<eisin 1510> verb present active indicative 3rd person plural

Revelation 17:10
The seven Heads seven Mountains are-being, where the Woman is sitting upon them.
and kings seven [they/there] are being, the five fall,

10 καὶ βασιλεῖς ἑπτά εἰσιν· οἱ πέντε ἔπεσαν, ὁ εἷς ἔστιν, ὁ ἄλλος οὔπω1 ἦλθεν, καὶ ὅταν ἔλθῃ ὀλίγον αὐτὸν δεῖ μεῖναι.

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
kai basileiV epta eisin oi pente epesan

Revelation 17:10 Commentaries: biblehub

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
10. And there are seven kings] Rather, and they [the seven heads] are seven kings: they have a double significance—standing both for the seven mountains and the seven kings.

Pulpit Commentary
Verse 10. - And there are seven kings; and they are. Here we have the same idea (cf. ver 9), with a somewhat different aspect. The phrase in ver. 9, "seven mountains," regarded the world power as one universal indivisible whole, without respect to particular times or modes in which it might be exhibited. In this phrase, "seven kings," we have the same world power viewed in its successive exhibitions by different nations;

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(10) And there are seven kings. . . .—Better. They are seven kings: five (not “are fallen,” but fell, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he shall come, he must continue a short time

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
10. there are—Translate, "they (the seven heads) are seven kings."five … one—Greek, "the five … the one"; the first five of the seven are fallen

Matthew Poole's Commentary
And there are seven kings; the seven heads do not only signify seven hills or mountains, but also seven kings, that is, (according to the best interpretation I meet with),

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
And there are seven kings,.... The Arabic version renders it, "who are seven kings"; and it should be rendered, as it is by the Vulgate Latin, Syriac and Ethiopic versions, "and they are seven kings";
that is, the seven heads signify seven kings also, for they have in them a double representation, first of seven mountains, and then of seven kings; by which are meant not seven ages of the world, as from Adam to Noah; from Noah to Abraham; from Abraham to David; from David to the Babylonish captivity; from the Babylonish captivity to Christ; from Christ to antichrist; and from antichrist to the end of the world;

 

[Just_a_Christian]

Yes. You even posted the verse which says it, "antichrist shall come" that means the singular AC had not been present yet. The AC "shall come" which is future.

I believe the verse I quoted said he would be revealed. It is my belief that the AC is here and has been for quiet some time, God just hasn't "named" him yet.
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