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Carol Danvers was Ms. Marvel since the late 70's. The character name was in homage to Captain Marvel (whose real name was Mar-Vell, he was of the kree race; same as Ronin the Accusser except he was pink instead of blue like the majority of kree) who died of cancer. Carol Danvers only took up the title of Captain Marvel in the past decade or so.
Before that Monica Rambeau had the title of Captain Marvel following the Death of Mar-Vell. She was part of the Avengers in the 80's and 90's.
 
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Carol Danvers was Ms. Marvel since the late 70's. The character name was in homage to Captain Marvel (whose real name was Mar-Vell, he was of the kree race; same as Ronin the Accusser except he was pink instead of blue like the majority of kree) who died of cancer. Carol Danvers only took up the title of Captain Marvel in the past decade or so.
Before that Monica Rambeau had the title of Captain Marvel following the Death of Mar-Vell. She was part of the Avengers in the 80's and 90's.
One reason I like these movies is that they distill much of that history into something simpler and more manageable plot wise, as opposed to complex storylines brought about by "events," retcons and other changes to attract new readers.
 
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attempted to give the Shazam! book the subtitle The Original Captain Marvel,
That was probably the one I had from DC. It was not good so I did not get another. THen I saw the Marvel guy with the Saturn logo on his shirt and gave up on the whole thing as too confusing.

Never had too much interest in the Marvel characters anyway. I did read FF and X men for a while, with cyclops being my favorite of those, but lost interest rather quickly.

But i did like the cross over spoofs of Not Brand Echh comics.

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I would LOVE to see movies made from THOSE comics ...
 
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Principle photography finished July 6th 2018. Stan Lee died November 12th 2018.

I knew someone would respond with this. Have you paid any attention at all to how this movie is being promoted? To the statements Larson has made during the current PR tour?

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, the latter the creator of Black Panther, practiced the art of inclusion and equality back during the 1960's. Black Panther was introduced in 1966 and Black Widow, if I recall correctly, in 1964. Other female characters featured appearing along side their male counterparts on equal footing included Sue Storm, Gene Gray, and the Wasp. The difference is Lee and Kirby did not feature female or black characters at the expense of their male and/or white characters. This film does, as third-wave feminism demands.

That scene with Fury going all weepy over seeing a cat and having to be corrected by Danvers takes Fury completely out of the character as established during the run of the MCU. The only element missing was Danvers stamping her stiletto heal. One does not achieve a level of success equatable to the Director of SHIELD by being a wimp, but given the promotional slogan "it all begins with her" apparently we are learn Fury's success is only the result of his association with Danvers.

One central draw of the Marvel movies for those not Marvel fans was the absence of social justice agendas. You want to destroy a franchise, inject it with leftist ideology.

And contrary to the Gamergate bro complaints on Reddit and 4chan, Marvel has had a social conscious for decades and when Carol Danvers took over the Captain Marvel suit, was basically a 1970s feminist role model.

4chan is a cesspool, so I don't know what has been said there. However as I stated the social conscious Marvel displayed dating back to the sixties began as promoting true equality. It began to change during the nineties ultimately leading to the "down with the patriarchy" manifested by Larson and her on-screen doppelganger.

In 1972, when he became the publisher, he used his editorial page, 'Stan's Soapbox,' to speak to the comic book reader about social justice issues such as discrimination, intolerance, and prejudice."

Discrimination, intolerance, and prejudice are not issues limited to any specific group. However citing his comments made from 1972 in no manner serves to discredit my point, as how the American left at large tends to define those three terms reflects all three targeted at those they want to define the terms for.
 
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I find it laughable that people complain that *this* film has wooden characters, as if so many of the other MCU movies weren't also terrible.

My point was simple. Judging from what can be seen in the trailers my living room floor emotes more effectively than Larson.

If you don't like the SJW agenda, fine. But it's not like it's lining up against a bunch of other cinematic masterpieces.

Alita Battle Angel is a much better character and was an excellent movie. With the exception of one speech given during the Kansas Bar scene, the movie promoted a strong female character without injecting SJW crap.

I don't know how people watch the Avengers movies.

They must all be stupid, right? I mean what else could possibly explain how other people like something you don't.

Infinity War was a thin wisp of a basic story wrapped up in 2.5 hours of mindless fan service.

Infinity Wars was the culmination of what had come before. As such, retelling the entire back story would have been counter-productive. It is why conclusions are know of as conclusions.
 
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That was probably the one I had from DC. It was not good so I did not get another. THen I saw the Marvel guy with the Saturn logo on his shirt and gave up on the whole thing as too confusing.

Never had too much interest in the Marvel characters anyway. I did read FF and X men for a while, with cyclops being my favorite of those, but lost interest rather quickly.
I actually like DC characters more (mostly because I loved watching Batman: The Animated Series growing up), but the current crop of films by Warner Bros is trash. They struck a nice tone with the Christopher Nolan films, but then ruined Superman by demanding he also be dark and gritty (something the man-babies seem to love, but no one else finds it appealing). After seeing Superman and Batman vs. a LOTR cave troll, I have ignored DC films, I am waiting for a spectacular failure to ensure a reboot.

Luckily Marvel has not made that mistake, they keep putting out good films. Even their weak films like Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, are much better than anything the "DCEU" has come up with. I finally took a glance at Wonder Woman on a flight awhile back, it wasn't horrible, but wasn't exciting either. Aquaman did well, but it still looks boring. I think Captain Marvel would be in the same boat, but I think playing off 90s nostalgia will probably help the film tremendously.
 
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I think the tie-ins to movies are not as much a motivator as the movies themselves being pure quality. The DC movies also tie into each other... they're just not good.

I felt the same way about Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man (then again SNL clued me into his character :D). But the films were quite entertaining, so any new characters I haven't heard of should be fun, especially because Marvel Studios weaves together their movies so well.

I am looking forward to this film and how it fits with Infinity War: Endgame. I'm also curious to know if they really are going to have a three hour film with intermissions for Endgame.

It's also funny to see how films like this (last year it was Black Panther) make people tell on themselves. :p

Yeah I think I will grab the movie when it comes out on DVD because I really enjoyed all of the super hero movies I've watched. Like the Spider-Man movies that came out during the 2000s. The way Dave described Captain Marvel reminded me a lot like The Flash. Which is a super hero I've heard of. But yeah the movie should be good.
 
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Perhaps Captain Marvel should be re-titled Captain Marvel: Incel Rage and Other Manbaby Misadventures. The amount of rage over this film mirrors the rage we saw with Black Panther. And probably like Black Panther, it will be an excellent film.

Sad Manbabies Are Already Targeting 'Captain Marvel' With Negative Reviews
In yet another example of why we can’t have nice things, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]y manbabies are targeting Captain Marvel with negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes because Marvel Studios had the gall to make a movie about a superhero who is also a woman.

The audience review section of the Captain Marvel Rotten Tomatoes page has been flooded with negative, often badly misspelled comments, from users who are oUtRaGeD at the movie and its star Brie Larson, who recently spoke out about diversity in the film industry, noting that most critics appear to be "overwhelmingly" white and male.
 
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Principle photography finished July 6th 2018.
Stan Lee died November 12th 2018.

And contrary to the Gamergate bro complaints on Reddit and 4chan, Marvel has had a social conscious for decades and when Carol Danvers took over the Captain Marvel suit, was basically a 1970s feminist role model.
Kapow! Attack of the feminist superheroes

Marvel Comics Icon Stan Lee Talks Superhero Diversity And Creating Black Panther
>> In 1972, when he became the publisher, he used his editorial page, 'Stan's Soapbox,' to speak to the comic book reader about social justice issues such as discrimination, intolerance, and prejudice." <<

Bold mine.

I think the issue they have...if I'm going to just summarize the complaints I've heard...is that "social justice" tends to discriminate, is intolerant of, and is prejudiced against straight white men.

The same straight white men who have supported these companies for decades.
 
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If you want to argue that an MCU movie is bad, you're not going to get an argument from me (with the possible exception of Spiderman Homecoming, which was passable).

Really? Not my pick for the exception to the rule lol. A movie whose villain = guy out of work.

My only beef is with the notion that being bad is somehow an exception.

I felt like Guardians did a pretty good job with a movie about characters no one had ever heard of. Thor 3 was enjoyable...so long as you didn't expect anything too serious from it.

Stupid? No. I wouldn't argue that they're stupid, just like I wouldn't argue that fans of modern country music are stupid.

I would merely argue that they have bad taste.

No accounting for taste.

95% of that movie consisted of "ehrmegerd, <so-and-so> ran into <so-and-so>, squeee!!!!" Of the remaining 5%, 3% was "Thanos is bad" and 2% was "Josh Brolin has a cool voice". Yes, it's a conclusion and no, I don't expect them to recount all the backstory, but it's been a long time since I've watched something and cared so little about any of the people on screen.

It's pretty bad. Multiple times throughout the movie I recall wondering just how difficult it is to act when the only things around you that are real are your co-stars.

The idea is pretty flawed for a story to start with though....it is just a chance to watch a series of characters meet. Comic books generally weren't known for being groundbreaking narratives or stories....they were viewed as cheap and superficial.

I mean, Watchmen was considered one of the best comic book stories of all time....and to many who love the genre, it still is.

Thinking back, watching Snowpiercer might have been the last time I felt that way, and I was blackout drunk when I watched it. But who knows... Maybe I just hate Chris Evans.

Actually, that's a great example of what the complaints are about for this movie. People don't want to be bludgeoned by a political agenda over and over throughout the movie.
It's one thing if it's organic to the story....it's another thing if it's been shoehorned in by writers who would rather propagate a viewpoint than simply adapt a comic book.
 
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They struck a nice tone with the Christopher Nolan films, but then ruined Superman by demanding he also be dark and gritty (something the man-babies seem to love, but no one else finds it appealing).
What? The Nolan Batmans were dark and gritty and everyone loved them. Some superheroes shouldn't be dark and gritty, I agree, but that doesn't mean only "man-babies" enjoy things that aren't brightly colored fluff.
 
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What? The Nolan Batmans were dark and gritty and everyone loved them. Some superheroes shouldn't be dark and gritty, I agree, but that doesn't mean only "man-babies" enjoy things that aren't brightly colored fluff.
The dark and gritty tone I'm referring to are the movies that shouldn't have been dark and gritty. Everyone loved the Nolan Batman movies, not because they were dark and gritty, but because they were written well and dark and gritty fit that world. The manbabies tend to believe everything should be dark and gritty though; I've listened to people like that complain about every movie or animated series needing blood and more violence. They were actually happy with the Zac Snyder films, they want dark and gritty even when it doesn't apply.
 
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The dark and gritty tone I'm referring to are the movies that shouldn't have been dark and gritty. Everyone loved the Nolan Batman movies, not because they were dark and gritty, but because they were written well and dark and gritty fit that world. The manbabies tend to believe everything should be dark and gritty though; I've listened to people like that complain about every movie or animated series needing blood and more violence. They were actually happy with the Zac Snyder films, they want dark and gritty even when it doesn't apply.
That's fair. That wasn't clear from what you wrote earlier. I'm all about variety. Some folks don't think it's okay to like The Incredibles and Requiem for a Dream, but it is. I think there are just as many folk who insist on dark and gritty superheroes as there are folk who insist on brightly colored fluff. I think you're more like me (preferring variety), but I had you mistaken for the latter (insisting on fluff).

I think they should just do away with Superman anyways. He's too powerful; it's boring. Don't make him dark and gritty, don't make him brightly colored fluff... just don't make him anymore.
 
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That's fair. That wasn't clear from what you wrote earlier. I'm all about variety. Some folks don't think it's okay to like The Incredibles and Requiem for a Dream, but it is. I think there are just as many folk who insist on dark and gritty superheroes as there are folk who insist on brightly colored fluff. I think you're more like me (preferring variety), but I had you mistaken for the latter (insisting on fluff).

I think they should just do away with Superman anyways. He's too powerful; it's boring. Don't make him dark and gritty, don't make him brightly colored fluff... just don't make him anymore.
I think the themes of the publications should dictate the tone of the film. Dark and gritty can work for things like X-Men and Batman (it also works for Daredevil, Punisher, Spawn, etc.), but Superman should be light. I don't believe things have to be fluff, but wanting to make everything like Mortal Kombat is misplaced.

I think Superman can be as powerful as he can, you just need better writers. One thing you can have is someone manipulative, like a ruthless businessman a la Lex Luthor (and not the trying to be like the Joker Jesse Eisenberg). I think the DC animated series did a great job of that with Justice League (the first season was a little clunky). But the main problem with WB/DC was their rush to establish a universe like Marvel, but not wanting to do the work.

There's a reason Captain Marvel will likely be accepted into the fray, along with the world building that integrates space and alien species... simply because Marvel laid the groundwork slowly with The Avengers and kept adding onto it (or maybe you could argue Thor, but the space vibe didn't really take root until Thor 2).
 
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Except I did apply a derogatory term to half the forum. I guarantee that if I had used that term against anyone here, my post would be reported and I would hear from the mods.
Who applied a derogatory term to "half the forum"?
 
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My suggestion that the criticism may well be valid should be taken as a criticism of your actual actions rather than an endorsement of the language.



Did you actually read the article embedded in the post in question? It isn't criticism. It amounts to nothing more than petty, sub-juvenile gutter trash insult and disparagement utilizing crude and ignorant fecal based quips. You know, standard fare from those who have convinced themselves they are better and smarter than everyone else, the very flower of leftist humor.
 
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