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Hey. I am sorry but I have to get this off my chest right now. I can't help but look at those pictures of Jesus on the internet. That is some really bad photos. They have no life in them and I know Jesus has more heart then that. I am starting to think maybe some people don't really know Jesus at all and only worship in vain or only love him the way he is represented in this world. Especially and in those pictures. I dont think many people have come to know Jesus for who he really is. I am sorry but I do not like those photos cause they misrepresent him and when I look at them there's no life in them at all. Wouldn't it have been better just to not make photos of him at all and just go by his teachings? What is the purpose of them pictures though? If nobody know what Jesus really look like, why not just leave at that and not misrepresent him by portraying him in such things as such. Especially those pictures. I know a lot of people say they love Jesus and they are close to him and they probably are but I really do wonder why people sometimes do. why some people worship and love Jesus the way they do? Because we have a person here with a heart (a beautiful one too hehe) and feelings like us. A person being misunderstood and misrepresented in the world causing some to overlook who Jesus really is or could be and that there's probably more to it then one could imagine about him. Causing him to still be mocked ridiculed and despised in the world because some people just don't get it...

It is true, images all fall short. With the understanding they are representations, maybe naively I used to be more accepting of Christian art with portrayals of Christ, even when I knew for example how inaccurate the color of his skin is in the majority of them. But we do not know exactly how he looked. I thought the shroud is interesting, but am skeptical about it, and certainly not something to put faith in, it has no life just as the images have no life. It is difficult though, in the days we live in, to simply avoid and not look at them completely, and I have to admit, there are a few modern artists who are very talented and able to draw me into their representations and capture imagination. But you have to understand, I am artistic by nature, I have always had appreciation for the arts. This topic also calls into question Christmas plays at Church and how Christ is portrayed in films such as Mel Gibson's "The Passion of Christ" and many others. They have a life to them, but still fall short. As Christians our new nature and our continual and constant fleshly dependency on the five senses combined produce desires to see and hear and feel our Lord and Savior beyond the mind and imagination from reading about Him.
 
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Hey. I am sorry but I have to get this off my chest right now. I can't help but look at those pictures of Jesus on the internet. That is some really bad photos. They have no life in them and I know Jesus has more heart then that. I am starting to think maybe some people don't really know Jesus at all and only worship in vain or only love him the way he is represented in this world. Especially and in those pictures. I dont think many people have come to know Jesus for who he really is. I am sorry but I do not like those photos cause they misrepresent him and when I look at them there's no life in them at all. Wouldn't it have been better just to not make photos of him at all and just go by his teachings? What is the purpose of them pictures though? If nobody know what Jesus really look like, why not just leave at that and not misrepresent him by portraying him in such things as such. Especially those pictures. I know a lot of people say they love Jesus and they are close to him and they probably are but I really do wonder why people sometimes do. why some people worship and love Jesus the way they do? Because we have a person here with a heart (a beautiful one too hehe) and feelings like us. A person being misunderstood and misrepresented in the world causing some to overlook who Jesus really is or could be and that there's probably more to it then one could imagine about him. Causing him to still be mocked ridiculed and despised in the world because some people just don't get it...

Of course, not only can you see into people's hearts (determining who does and who does not know Jesus), but you know exactly what He looks like, don't you?
 
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Of course, not only can you see into people's hearts (determining who does and who does not know Jesus), but you know exactly what He looks like, don't you?
 
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There is nothing wrong with artistic interpretations that include an artist's interpretation of HIS appearance.

There is such a thing as going overboard with legalism..

I'd far rather see an artist create Christian centered art than worldly centered.

Anyone who doesn't appreciate Christian art doesn't have to look at it or participate in any way.
 
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Of course, not only can you see into people's hearts (determining who does and who does not know Jesus), but you know exactly what He looks like, don't you?
and what if I did know? ..and I do believe I pointed out here that I wasn't judging anyone...
 
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Wait... here I found some....

So which one did Jesus Look like?
The Ethiopian or maybe the European? perhaps the Arab?
 
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Hey. I am sorry but I have to get this off my chest right now. I can't help but look at those pictures of Jesus on the internet. That is some really bad photos. They have no life in them and I know Jesus has more heart then that. I am starting to think maybe some people don't really know Jesus at all and only worship in vain or only love him the way he is represented in this world. Especially and in those pictures. I dont think many people have come to know Jesus for who he really is. I am sorry but I do not like those photos cause they misrepresent him and when I look at them there's no life in them at all. Wouldn't it have been better just to not make photos of him at all and just go by his teachings? What is the purpose of them pictures though? If nobody know what Jesus really look like, why not just leave at that and not misrepresent him by portraying him in such things as such. Especially those pictures. I know a lot of people say they love Jesus and they are close to him and they probably are but I really do wonder why people sometimes do. why some people worship and love Jesus the way they do? Because we have a person here with a heart (a beautiful one too hehe) and feelings like us. A person being misunderstood and misrepresented in the world causing some to overlook who Jesus really is or could be and that there's probably more to it then one could imagine about him. Causing him to still be mocked ridiculed and despised in the world because some people just don't get it...

I can think of two reasons how to know what Jesus looks like.

1. His appearance was likely spread vocally until the first images were painted.

2. Jesus appears in visions and dreams.

Does anyone know if there are any early written descriptions of Jesus?
 
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Where would I find one of those?

I agree that among many Jews in the world there is mixture in the genetic community from the nations where they have resided for long periods of time. I believe it is very subjective to know who looks the most "Jewish," because as you have shown there are many different kinds of people who are Jewish and look very different.

This is my opinion, which is subjective, but I consider these people closer to being "pure" (if I can use that term), who are really Jewish.

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Jennifer Mendelsohn is almost exactly 100% Ashkanazi by DNA test

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Shemp (Samuel Horwitz), comes from a Jewish family from Lithuania (Ashkanazi)

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Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Ginsberg, comes from an Russian and Austrian Jewish family.

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Karl Marx was of a German/Dutch Jewish family (Ashkenazim)


Probably this isn't true, but I see Middle Eastern traits in these people. But, again, you make a valid point friend.
 
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Hey. I am sorry but I have to get this off my chest right now. I can't help but look at those pictures of Jesus on the internet. That is some really bad photos. They have no life in them and I know Jesus has more heart then that. I am starting to think maybe some people don't really know Jesus at all and only worship in vain or only love him the way he is represented in this world. Especially and in those pictures. I dont think many people have come to know Jesus for who he really is. I am sorry but I do not like those photos cause they misrepresent him and when I look at them there's no life in them at all. Wouldn't it have been better just to not make photos of him at all and just go by his teachings? What is the purpose of them pictures though? If nobody know what Jesus really look like, why not just leave at that and not misrepresent him by portraying him in such things as such. Especially those pictures. I know a lot of people say they love Jesus and they are close to him and they probably are but I really do wonder why people sometimes do. why some people worship and love Jesus the way they do? Because we have a person here with a heart (a beautiful one too hehe) and feelings like us. A person being misunderstood and misrepresented in the world causing some to overlook who Jesus really is or could be and that there's probably more to it then one could imagine about him. Causing him to still be mocked ridiculed and despised in the world because some people just don't get it...
John 14:7 - " If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."

I know Jesus was not talking about his physical form.

Unfortunately, a picture can become an idol. It may be useful for children until they outgrow the need for it, though.

Many churches that have pictures of Jesus give him the nationality, in appearance, as themselves. Therefore, in a primarily black church, the appearance of Jesus in pictures is most likely black. Consider that a church usually has all age groups at different levels of spiritual growth. Therefore, I am not surprised to see pictures of Jesus in a church. Their younger members are likely to feel a greater connection if the picture has him looking like them. I see nothing wrong with this practice as long as it serves a good purpose.
 
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Hey. I am sorry but I have to get this off my chest right now. I can't help but look at those pictures of Jesus on the internet. That is some really bad photos. They have no life in them and I know Jesus has more heart then that. I am starting to think maybe some people don't really know Jesus at all and only worship in vain or only love him the way he is represented in this world. Especially and in those pictures. I dont think many people have come to know Jesus for who he really is. I am sorry but I do not like those photos cause they misrepresent him and when I look at them there's no life in them at all. Wouldn't it have been better just to not make photos of him at all and just go by his teachings? What is the purpose of them pictures though? If nobody know what Jesus really look like, why not just leave at that and not misrepresent him by portraying him in such things as such. Especially those pictures. I know a lot of people say they love Jesus and they are close to him and they probably are but I really do wonder why people sometimes do. why some people worship and love Jesus the way they do? Because we have a person here with a heart (a beautiful one too hehe) and feelings like us. A person being misunderstood and misrepresented in the world causing some to overlook who Jesus really is or could be and that there's probably more to it then one could imagine about him. Causing him to still be mocked ridiculed and despised in the world because some people just don't get it...

Obviously the intent in some religious art is to depict the suffering Christ who willingly died for us and that is not necessarily a bad thing, but I dislike Jesus depicted as a graven image or somebody who wasn't real. I have a Hook's "Head of Christ" hanging in my home, but I really envision Jesus of Nazareth as a compelling, not forbidding personality, somebody who smiled easily and loved people with his eyes. I can't imagine so many would have been drawn to him and be touched by him otherwise.

This is more the way I imagine that Jesus looked:
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The movie "Chocolat" was brilliant cast, directed, and had a lot of great moments. But it all culminated in Pere Henri's sermon near the end:

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Hey. I am sorry but I have to get this off my chest right now. I can't help but look at those pictures of Jesus on the internet. That is some really bad photos. They have no life in them and I know Jesus has more heart then that. I am starting to think maybe some people don't really know Jesus at all and only worship in vain or only love him the way he is represented in this world. Especially and in those pictures. I dont think many people have come to know Jesus for who he really is. I am sorry but I do not like those photos cause they misrepresent him and when I look at them there's no life in them at all. Wouldn't it have been better just to not make photos of him at all and just go by his teachings? What is the purpose of them pictures though? If nobody know what Jesus really look like, why not just leave at that and not misrepresent him by portraying him in such things as such. Especially those pictures. I know a lot of people say they love Jesus and they are close to him and they probably are but I really do wonder why people sometimes do. why some people worship and love Jesus the way they do? Because we have a person here with a heart (a beautiful one too hehe) and feelings like us. A person being misunderstood and misrepresented in the world causing some to overlook who Jesus really is or could be and that there's probably more to it then one could imagine about him. Causing him to still be mocked ridiculed and despised in the world because some people just don't get it...
The real question is, why does it matter what He looks like, or what others percieve Him to look like?
 
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The real question is, why does it matter what He looks like, or what others percieve Him to look like?
It doesn't matter..I just see and hear a lot of stuff that makes me think he is worshipped in vain
 
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Just separating two issues.
1. The extent to which we know what Jesus looked like and the source of that knowledge

2. The usefulness of such images even if a faithful reproduction.

1/ On the first - it is important to recognise the origin of iconography.

The iconography became and has remained very consistent from around the time of the mandylion in edessa: a cloth holding an image - ( indeed reproductions include some defects which are also recognisable on the shroud of turin). The probability is that the mandylion was the shroud folded to expose the facial areas, and that iconography was based on seeing it.

Several Recent physiochemical datings of the shroud based on several different physiochemical properties are indeed first century (proving the Radio date was false - as most evidence said it was, even at the time it was done).
And the shroud - and forensic correspondence with the sudarium (which is beyond reasonable doubt) , contain between them the pre and post forensic pathology of a man tortured exactly as the description of Jesus was in the gospels: a case unique in historic record.

Therefore it is entirely reasonable to believe that the common icon is indeed what Jesus looked like and is based on forensic evidence, not hearsay.

There are many papers written on the iconography and correspondence, hunt them - they make interesting reading.

2/ The usefulness.

Clearly there is a very subjective aspect to that.

Visualisation that helps some , does not help others.
Neither choice is exclusively right

It is also interesting that the visions of Jesus by mystics often portay his heart - such as the "sacred heart"

It is interesting to note that there are stained glass reproductions of Christ surviving that are a millenium old. It is only in recent times that the ordinary man could read, so stories were told in glass in churches.




Hey. I am sorry but I have to get this off my chest right now. I can't help but look at those pictures of Jesus on the internet. That is some really bad photos. They have no life in them and I know Jesus has more heart then that. I am starting to think maybe some people don't really know Jesus at all and only worship in vain or only love him the way he is represented in this world. Especially and in those pictures. I dont think many people have come to know Jesus for who he really is. I am sorry but I do not like those photos cause they misrepresent him and when I look at them there's no life in them at all. Wouldn't it have been better just to not make photos of him at all and just go by his teachings? What is the purpose of them pictures though? If nobody know what Jesus really look like, why not just leave at that and not misrepresent him by portraying him in such things as such. Especially those pictures. I know a lot of people say they love Jesus and they are close to him and they probably are but I really do wonder why people sometimes do. why some people worship and love Jesus the way they do? Because we have a person here with a heart (a beautiful one too hehe) and feelings like us. A person being misunderstood and misrepresented in the world causing some to overlook who Jesus really is or could be and that there's probably more to it then one could imagine about him. Causing him to still be mocked ridiculed and despised in the world because some people just don't get it...
 
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1 Cor 11:14-15a (NRSV) Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory?
What length constitutes "long" hair?
 
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