The white horse.

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The rider on the white horse is Jesus.

See Revelation 19

The Rider on the White Horse

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

Not the same rider or horse. The four horsemen represent the four stages of the Ropman empire immediately after the Revelation was written. The white horse represents the empire in its still expanding stage
 
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Not the same rider or horse. The four horsemen represent the four stages of the Ropman empire immediately after the Revelation was written. The white horse represents the empire in its still expanding stage

The seven seals repeat the same history as the seven churches, but with a different emphasis.

In Revelation the horse is an animal associated with war. See Revelation 19:11, 19. The four horsemen represent the churches as they go forth to battle their enemies. The colors of the horses (white, red, black, and pale) indicate a change from purity to apostasy.

The 1st Seal: A White horse: The Pure Church

White represents purity and righteousness. Revelation 7:14; 19:8; Isaiah 1:18. The pure white church went out “conquering and to conquer.” During this time the Gospel spread like wild fire. Paul said that the Gospel “was preached to every creature which is under heaven” (Colossians 1:23), and his opponents said that they had, “turned the world upside down.” Acts 17:6. The white horse is the apostolic church going forth victoriously under the banner of Prince Jesus.

Won't go into the other horses at this point as the OP was about the white horse.
 
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The seven seals repeat the same history as the seven churches, but with a different emphasis.

In Revelation the horse is an animal associated with war. See Revelation 19:11, 19. The four horsemen represent the churches as they go forth to battle their enemies. The colors of the horses (white, red, black, and pale) indicate a change from purity to apostasy.

The 1st Seal: A White horse: The Pure Church

White represents purity and righteousness. Revelation 7:14; 19:8; Isaiah 1:18. The pure white church went out “conquering and to conquer.” During this time the Gospel spread like wild fire. Paul said that the Gospel “was preached to every creature which is under heaven” (Colossians 1:23), and his opponents said that they had, “turned the world upside down.” Acts 17:6. The white horse is the apostolic church going forth victoriously under the banner of Prince Jesus.

Won't go into the other horses at this point as the OP was about the white horse.

If that were so I would expect seven horses, Would you like to start a new thread on the four horses?
 
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The rider on the white horse is Jesus.

See Revelation 19

The Rider on the White Horse

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

No doubt the rider on the second white horse is Christ but the video says the first white horse is Satan pretending to be Christ in order to deceive.
 
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Seeing as the the last three horsemen are symbolic of war, famine/pestilence, and death, it seems to make the most sense that the first horseman is likewise a symbol of something abstract. As a symbol of conquest it would fit the description of the horseman as well as with the rest of the horsemen:

Conquest brings war;
War brings famine;
And these bring death.

The horsemen aren't individuals, but symbols.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Armstrongism denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

I hope this is not true; I do not believe it is true. Armstrong was an intelligent man, high IQ, he would not deny what the Bible plainly says.

Reference please.
This is off topic but I think it would add clarity and be generally helpful.

Where ever the idea that Armstrong taught that Jesus did not come in the flesh came from is a false accusation.

I had attended the Worldwide Church of God for numerous years. They never taught that Jesus did NOT come in the flesh and there were a number of occasions where they kicked out people who were spreading JW teaching about the nature of God.

What they taught was a strict view of binitarianism and where that differs from the Trinity is in the nature of the Holy Spirit, not in the nature of Jesus Christ. It was taught that the Holy Ghost was a Holy "force" and not a person.

Now what can be used to describe them as a cult who believe a misplaced or have an excessive admiration for a particular person (Herbert Armstrong) was another doctrine. They taught the he was the same kind of apostle as the twelve and Paul. That Jesus personally gave him the same kind of authority in inspiration as them.

That was the first teaching which led me to question or disbelieve a number of their teachings. Paul makes a good description that contrasts his own apostleship with other kinds of apostles like HA in Galatians 1:1.

Nowadays the offshoots are so splintered that a person can't be sure if they also keep teaching those same two doctrines. To the point where the original corporate entity is fully Trinitarian and seems to be a OSAS. Whereas another has the next "apostle" who has persuaded numerous members to follow Acts of the Apostles 4:34 and the first half of verse 35. So a person would have to investigate whether or not any one once associated with that church is a cult or not.

The way I see it, it's not as simple as labeling something a cult or anti-Christ anymore. Certainly such a response will make a person immune from any remaining dangerous element but it also could ostracize a fellow brother in Christ.
 
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No doubt the rider on the second white horse is Christ but the video says the first white horse is Satan pretending to be Christ in order to deceive.

I don't go by videos, I go by the studying the scriptures.
 
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Not the same rider or horse. The four horsemen represent the four stages of the Ropman empire immediately after the Revelation was written. The white horse represents the empire in its still expanding stage
This is close, I think.

Textual and historical context should inform us that the white horse is not the horse that Jesus is riding. In Chapter 19 we read of a rider on a white horse (19:11-12). This is the victorious Christ, but does the rider of the white horse in Chapter 6 also represent Christ? In Chapter 19, John calls the rider Faithful and True, and he is accompanied by his armies, also riding white horses. In Chapter 6, the rider on the white horse has no such designation, and he is accompanied not by righteous armies but by other horsemen who deliver to the land woe upon woe. Even to a layman, a horseman who is supposed to represent righteousness must seem out of place among three horsemen who represent war, famine, and pestilence.

Barclay compares these four horsemen to the four chariots pulled by four teams of horses of Zechariah 6 that represent God’s judgment on Israel’s enemies. The white horses in Zechariah 6 and Revelation 6, like all the horses in those chapters, paint not a picture of the victorious Christ but of the terrors of the wrath of God. The white horse merely represents conquest in combat, as Revelation 6:2 implies. War, famine, and disease reign supreme in the Great Revolt, perpetrated more on the Judeans than on the Romans. The Romans emerged victorious, and when a Roman general celebrated a triumph, he paraded through the streets of the imperial city with his armies, captives, and spoils while drawn in his chariot by white horses (https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/dsb/revelation-6.html).

In summary, the horses and their riders represent the civil war in Judea. They connote the triumph of the victorious and the misery of the losers.

The white horse signifies the Roman armies who came to conquer Judea. Rome defeated her adversaries, and so wears the crown.

The red horse signifies bloodshed, its rider instigating the civil war in which Jews slew one another. The horseman’s sword is an instrument of persecution that exacerbated the inability of the Jews to engage in commerce and sustain themselves.

The black horse signifies distress. Its rider bore a scale for rationing provisions. Scarcity debilitated the livelihood of Jerusalem’s inhabitants, but the store of wine and oil, if not depleted, may mitigate some of their suffering.

The pale horse signifies death, and with it came hades. These partners in the grim and ghastly task of annihilation wreaked finality to large segments of mankind, or the Jewish the population (a fourth of it, as John relates it) by whatever means—combat, starvation, disease. Even wild animals devoured some.

One side won; one side lost. Hence the different horses.
 
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The first four seals are the four horsemenn, I've always taken it as a description of the rise of the antichrist. While he is never called that in Revelations I think the fifth seal indicates the martyrs who died in his wake. The riders in the Myrtle bushes is an historical prophecy indication God after 70 years would restore Israel and punish the nations.
 
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This is off topic but I think it would add clarity and be generally helpful.

Where ever the idea that Armstrong taught that Jesus did not come in the flesh came from is a false accusation.

I had attended the Worldwide Church of God for numerous years. They never taught that Jesus did NOT come in the flesh and there were a number of occasions where they kicked out people who were spreading JW teaching about the nature of God.

What they taught was a strict view of binitarianism and where that differs from the Trinity is in the nature of the Holy Spirit, not in the nature of Jesus Christ. It was taught that the Holy Ghost was a Holy "force" and not a person.

Now what can be used to describe them as a cult who believe a misplaced or have an excessive admiration for a particular person (Herbert Armstrong) was another doctrine. They taught the he was the same kind of apostle as the twelve and Paul. That Jesus personally gave him the same kind of authority in inspiration as them.

That was the first teaching which led me to question or disbelieve a number of their teachings. Paul makes a good description that contrasts his own apostleship with other kinds of apostles like HA in Galatians 1:1.

Nowadays the offshoots are so splintered that a person can't be sure if they also keep teaching those same two doctrines. To the point where the original corporate entity is fully Trinitarian and seems to be a OSAS. Whereas another has the next "apostle" who has persuaded numerous members to follow Acts of the Apostles 4:34 and the first half of verse 35. So a person would have to investigate whether or not any one once associated with that church is a cult or not.

The way I see it, it's not as simple as labeling something a cult or anti-Christ anymore. Certainly such a response will make a person immune from any remaining dangerous element but it also could ostracize a fellow brother in Christ.

I agree you are off topic, I didn't see the white horse mentioned once.
 
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I don't go by videos, I go by the studying the scriptures.

Well then for you, does the scriptures say who the white horse in Rev 6:2 refers to, Christ or Satan; is the bow the rider is carrying the new covenant confirmed by Christ or is it a false covenant arranged by Saturn?
 
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I agree you are off topic, I didn't see the white horse mentioned once.
It directly involved three other commentators in this thread and some disinformation. It's better to clear things up the origin of the subject being discussed, rather than let people associate wrong information about it.
 
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The Four Horsemen of Revelation

There are a lot of interesting historical facts in this video; but I always disagree with then Armstrong crowd regarding the white horse of Rev 6:2. I can see no reason to assume the white horse is Satan making a false covenant, even though Satan has made a false covenant and deceived most.

Zechariah tells us that the horses and riders are sent out by God, initially they spy and then react to what they see. So I believe the white horse of Rev 6:2 is the true covenant being spread and the other horses react to how the covenant is received.
One popular slogan Armstrong referred to was often quoted by the crowd is you have to let the Bible interpret the Bible. If a person assumes that is the case 100% of the time, then by the reasoning you've presented, you are correct and what was taught about the four horsemen in that church is in error. Someone else also mentioned Revelation 19:11, a verse that undeniably refers to Jesus as sitting on a white horse in the same book. I'm not sure why people thought that letting the Bible interpret the Bible was a fool proof method of coming up with interpretations.

However I believe what ViaCrusis concludes is closer to what can be implied about what the horses represent. They are symbols used to describe the condition of civilization on the earth.
Conquest brings war;
War brings famine;
And these bring death.

The horsemen aren't individuals, but symbols.
Since the beginnings of the NT era Christianity as a whole has had its' controversies. Jude 1:12 Acts of the Apostles 20:30 2 Corinthians 11:4 So just like we see what is mostly a common state of war, famine and death, Christianity has also had an influence on this world. I think that fourth horse is a symbol of what is going on within churches across the globe, the good and the bad. The reason why in Rev 19:11 is clear about who is riding a white horse is to place contrast between the two white horses and not to show that they are the same.
 
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This is off topic but I think it would add clarity and be generally helpful.

Where ever the idea that Armstrong taught that Jesus did not come in the flesh came from is a false accusation.

I had attended the Worldwide Church of God for numerous years. They never taught that Jesus did NOT come in the flesh and there were a number of occasions where they kicked out people who were spreading JW teaching about the nature of God.

What they taught was a strict view of binitarianism and where that differs from the Trinity is in the nature of the Holy Spirit, not in the nature of Jesus Christ. It was taught that the Holy Ghost was a Holy "force" and not a person.

Now what can be used to describe them as a cult who believe a misplaced or have an excessive admiration for a particular person (Herbert Armstrong) was another doctrine. They taught the he was the same kind of apostle as the twelve and Paul. That Jesus personally gave him the same kind of authority in inspiration as them.

That was the first teaching which led me to question or disbelieve a number of their teachings. Paul makes a good description that contrasts his own apostleship with other kinds of apostles like HA in Galatians 1:1.

Nowadays the offshoots are so splintered that a person can't be sure if they also keep teaching those same two doctrines. To the point where the original corporate entity is fully Trinitarian and seems to be a OSAS. Whereas another has the next "apostle" who has persuaded numerous members to follow Acts of the Apostles 4:34 and the first half of verse 35. So a person would have to investigate whether or not any one once associated with that church is a cult or not.

The way I see it, it's not as simple as labeling something a cult or anti-Christ anymore. Certainly such a response will make a person immune from any remaining dangerous element but it also could ostracize a fellow brother in Christ.
There are other erroneous doctrines in the rcog
 
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We should only ever use scripture to interpret scripture.

**Where does scripture define the rider on the white horse as the antichrist?


Revelation 19 defines the rider on the white hours as "faithful and true", with the name king of kings and lord of lords written on this thigh and robe.

Revelation 19:11,16 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
Revelation 6 describes the entrance of the Man of Sin. Later on in the 7 year period he comes to power.
 
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Revelation 6 describes the entrance of the Man of Sin. Later on in the 7 year period he comes to power.

Pethesedzao, no understanding of scripture comes from personal interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation.

There is no mention of a man of sin or 7 year period in Revelation 6, thus you are providing your own personal interpretation.

So I'll ask again, what scripture SPECIFICALLY calls the rider on the white horse the antichrist, or man of sin?
 
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Pethesedzao, no understanding of scripture comes from personal interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation.

There is no mention of a man of sin or 7 year period in Revelation 6, thus you are providing your own personal interpretation.

So I'll ask again, what scripture SPECIFICALLY calls the rider on the white horse the antichrist, or man of sin?
The Book of Revelation like Daniel is not strictly in chronological order. When you compare all relevant scriptures you will see that there is a 7 year period called the Tribulation of which the last 3.5 years is the Great Tribulation which Jesus talks about in Matthew's gospel...
 
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Pethesedzao, no understanding of scripture comes from personal interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation.

There is no mention of a man of sin or 7 year period in Revelation 6, thus you are providing your own personal interpretation.

So I'll ask again, what scripture SPECIFICALLY calls the rider on the white horse the antichrist, or man of sin?
The Antichrist comes as a man of peace first of all
 
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