How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus

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When the world - not the entity itself - calls this thing a god because of the things it has done, whoever disagrees with that will fall in the same categories as all the other alleged undesirable personalities.

Like mammon. All bow to it and it determines whether we can buy or sell. And we never even see who is at the top of the system and owns it all.
 
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Like mammon. All bow to it and it determines whether we can by or sell. And we never even see who is at the top of the system and owns it all.

Mammon/Hermes/Thoth is definitely one of the entities that will darn near destroy us before the Entity comes.
 
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Why would you want to link the Mammon of the Bible with that combo?

I don't "want" to; they are the same gods worshiped under different names.

In reality, there are only a hand full of gods (fallen) that have been worshiped since antiquity - even to this day.
 
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So you would prefer to avoid the biblical connection of Mammon being wealth and gain at the expense of others?

I am exposing all of them - precisely because they are all liars in that one would think they are anything different! Mammon/Hermes/Thoth all promise the same package under the same deception. People just know about "mammon" today because it is preached. But this entity is a god under different names - with the same false promises and "flatteries". There is no "avoidance of the biblical connection".
 
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Why not just say the Adversary?

Because there are several "adversaries" including humans, and distinction is important in any [spiritual] warfare. Saying "adversary" (satan) marginalizes what is going on, and by whom.
 
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Because there are several "adversaries" including humans, and distinction is important in any [spiritual] warfare. Saying "adversary" (satan) marginalizes what is going on, and by whom.

Does it matter? They all follow the same ideals as the Adversary be they figureheads or minions. Know the Adversary, you know (recognize) them all. Get muddled up in the 'many' and you end up with religion.
 
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I can assure you that America will not be around when the Man of sin appears on the world scene.
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Are you serious?
What makes you say that?
 
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Hello

How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus.

This is not a scripture hunt more of an out load wondering.

I know what scripture says. So does every one in here. So do people all over the world. Everyone is waiting for him so how does he manage to deceive a world that is waiting for him.

This question haunted me for years.

The only answer I can come up with is this.................... and it is sooooo simple................ I was amazed it took me so long to see it.

So here it is. Everyone is waiting for a person to fulfill a particular set of event that person will be labeled the AC. For Example

Many Believe the AC will make a Pact with the Jews and help them rebuild the Temple.

So ask yourself this..... if a Man, say a leader of the EU, did just that how many people would believe beyond any doubt he was the AC. Now if the Temple was rebuilt how happy would the Muslims be. So if the EU then came to the defense of Israel that would just be more proof he was the AC.

Example 2:

Say a EU Leader got shot in the head and then Lived. How many people would say he was the AC without even a doubt in their mind.

So what the AC must do is convince the world that someone else is the AC.

Now after the world is convinced someone is the AC and a series of events happen. What is everyone is waiting for............... What event. Well they are waiting for Jesus to show up and destroy him aren't they.

Now we can see why Satan and his demons have put so much effort into false doctrine over the centuries. It is to get to a point where people think the Arrival of the AC is one set of events that it really isn't. That way he can create that "Fake Set" of events convince the world someone else is the AC then he can show up with all signs and wonders destroy the Fake AC and convince the world he is Jesus returned to set up God's Kingdom.

The simplicity of this is diabolical

The imperial cult was quite alive and well when St. John wrote the Apocalypse. Domitian had a temple dedicated to his father Vespasian and brother Titus, because the emperors were to be regarded as divine. Since the time of Julius Caesar divinity was ascribed to the emperors (though Julius technically wasn't the first emperor, Augustus was), hence Tiberius had divi fillius Augustus (son of the divine Augustus) printed on his coins. Likewise Domitian was self-styled divi fillius; as Caesar he was a living god, and he was the son of a god (Vespasian) and the brother of a god (Titus), even as Nero, Tiberius, and those before him had styled themselves in this fashion.

The Beast, i.e. Caesar, was self-styled divine and worship of the emperor and his image was forced upon the Roman populace. Christians, of course, refused to pay fealty to the emperor and offer incense to his image, and that is one of the reasons the saints were martyred by the Roman state. It's why St. John in the Apocalypse describes the city of Rome as a harlot drunk on the blood of the saints, seated upon a beast which bore the imperial purple.

The Beast didn't claim to be God, nor did he/they claim to be Christ; rather the Beast claimed divinity on the basis of the long-standing imperial cult of Rome.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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..and Constantine much later on

That, of course, isn't true. Since Constantine did not enforce the imperial cult. Anti-Constantinianism is based upon conspiracy theory and ignorance of history. There are lots of reasons to be critical of Constantine: Constantine continued to offer some level of support and patronage to the Solus Invictus cult at least for some time, or at least appears to have done so even after his reported conversion to Christianity; Constantine sided with the Arians following the Council of Nicea and most infamously had St. Athanasius removed from his apostolic see in Alexandria, the first of many times Athanasius would have to stand against the world as Defender of the Faith; Constantine's personal life was fraught with wicked actions such as having his wife Fausta drowned and having his son Crispus executed. Constantine is hardly a model for Christians to imitate: A murderer, a heretic (or at the very least on the side of heretics), whose own conversion is somewhat questionable as the emperor was never baptized until on his death bed--and had his close friend, the Arian Eusebius of Nicomedia perform the rite.

If you really want to be outraged by the politicization of Christianity in the Roman Empire, don't look at Constantine, you should look at Theodosius I. It was Theodosius who declared Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire by his Edict of Thessalonika which made orthodox Nicene Christianity official, and thus outlawed heresy, and technically, other religions as well.

I'm no fan of Constantine, but Constantine isn't some historical bogeyman. Neither is Theodosius. Christianity before and after the fourth century remained intact. The fundamental problem was the intermingling of state politics with the Christian Church, which would become a defining feature (and recurring problem) throughout late antiquity, the middle ages, and into the early modern period.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I agree, and what comes to mind for me is the Moedim (holy convocations), specifically, Sukkot (Tabernacles).



Interesting...I never thought of the "Dark Knight" as a vampire...good one.

I totally forgot about this screen capture from the movie Zero Theorem, a Terry Gilliam movie. The Zero Theorem - Wikipedia

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it's interesting to see the Jewish 'payot' / sidelocks with a shaved head (which has various meanings in Judaism, I think) Payot - Wikipedia

Also, just last week I realized that the Joker was a subliminal for Guy Fawkes/ V for Vendetta/ Anonymous, which puts a different spin on the opening of Dark Knight & the Joker bank robbery.
 
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Jesus' physical 2C is at Judgement = GWTJ = Matthew 25 = Revelation 20:10+


No, his second coming is found in Rev 19, before the thousand years begins in Rev 20 and long before Rev 20:10. He must return to resurrect the dead as seen in Rev 20:4 so they can reign with him over the nations.
 
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Does it matter? They all follow the same ideals as the Adversary be they figureheads or minions. Know the Adversary, you know (recognize) them all. Get muddled up in the 'many' and you end up with religion.

They don't all follow the same adversary. You need to know your enemies, and how they attack in order to know how to evade and protect yourself from them.

Religion doesn't have room to discuss the intricacies of this spiritual war. Religion is canonical.
 
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re him had styled themselves in this fashion.

The Beast, i.e. Caesar, was self-styled divine and worship of the emperor and his image was forced upon the Roman populace. Christians, of course, refused to pay fealty to the emperor and offer incense to his image, and that is one of the reasons the saints were martyred by the Roman state. It's why St. John in the Apocalypse describes the city of Rome as a harlot drunk on the blood of the saints, seated upon a beast which bore the imperial purple.


It was "a beast" but not the Rev 13:1 beast simply because John wrote one kingdom was falling and one was yet to come and would only exist a short time...it is that short kingdom which is the Rev 13:1 beast. It is literally impossible for John to be saying that last kingdom-beast is Rome.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
 
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It was "a beast" but not the Rev 13:1 beast simply because John wrote one kingdom was falling and one was yet to come and would only exist a short time...it is that short kingdom which is the Rev 13:1 beast. It is literally impossible for John to be saying that last kingdom-beast is Rome.
Except the text doesn't say kingdom but kings.
 
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That, of course, isn't true. Since Constantine did not enforce the imperial cult. Anti-Constantinianism is based upon conspiracy theory and ignorance of history.

So the tradition of naming themselves Gods and the statues to himself as the sun god are fallacies, or simply denials by those worshipping their beneficiary??
 
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