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God slows down the rotation of the earth.How does the sun and moon stop for about a whole day if earth is a moving globe?
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God slows down the rotation of the earth.How does the sun and moon stop for about a whole day if earth is a moving globe?
Did you read what i wrote, did i say that these verses say the earth is flat.
I will repeat what i said was that the Bible describes a completely different creation than what science is tell people.
If you do not believe that look up the verses words used in these verses are: spread out, breadth of the earth, sun and moon standing still, sun, moon and stars being different in glory, the moon is a created light, the sun is a created light, the stars are created lights, the sun returns 10 degrees, the sun, moon and stars place in the raqia between two bodies of water the same place where birds fly. stars falling to earth, on and on and on
I did not list these verses but The Messiah's star lead the wise men to The Messiah and not only did the star lead them there the star stood over where The Messiah was.
Who says that? I don’t know any FE who says that.
You really are full of judgment, aren’t you? When did attacking the messenger rather than the message become okay on a Christian forum? I’m not an anarchist either, much less anything else you accused. Now, I’m done with you.I would consider you more of the anarchist type who tries to attack sound doctrine because you don't think Christians should maintain their ecclesiastical authority over church doctrine and only 21st century liberals should have ecclesiastical authority over all interpretations of the Bible. But that violates the Apostolic commands in the Bible about the priesthood. You have yet to source a reputable authority in support of your 21st century interpretations.
Hey, do you want to see an ancient Jewish map of earth? Here ya go:
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That map has got to be ancient, right? Well, its not right. Its not an ancient Jewish map of the earth. Its a picture drawn by a 20th century English-born Jewish liberal scholar by the name of Nahum Sarna (1923-2005). There are no existing ancient Jewish maps of the world. Sarna made all this up and the Bible doesn't agree with his drawing at all. There isn't even a flat earth tradition among Jews & Christians. So Sarna's drawing that you probably believe is an ancient map of earth is a complete fake.
Well think about it. What do anarchists do? They manipulate everything with the goal of causing chaos and the entire collapse of modern civilization. Oh I am all too familiar with anarchists. They also manipulate the Bible with the purpose of causing mass apostasy from the Christian faith. Now what have flat earth advocates been doing here besides manipulating the Bible and speaking on their own authority as if they were the source of knowledge. That's anarchy within the Christian faith and Jesus don't want disobedient anarchists taking over the ministry that started 2000 years ago long before our current rise of radical leftists and their anarchy and chaos. We Christians know what we believe and where we came from. We do not and will not accept these new teachings from flat earthers which is nothing but atheist skepticism of the Bible dressed up as creationism. This is why I also quote from DR.Henry Morris a lot so people will know what real creationists have been teaching.You really are full of judgment, aren’t you? When did attacking the messenger rather than the message become okay on a Christian forum? I’m not an anarchist either, much less anything else you accused. Now, I’m done with you.
God didn't stop the earth from spinning. He merely slowed down the earth's rotation. This event in Joshua 10 is known as the day twice the natural length, and like the Flood is recorded in every history on both sides of the world, but in some legends it known as a night that lasted twice the natural length.and stops it then spins it backward, eh? What a physics nightmare. Thing is, the Bible doesn’t say God stopped the Earth from spinning.
I have been told that if I debated the Biblical shape of the earth with a "flat earth Christian" I would be completely and most utterly destroyed and degutted. So I am offering a worldwide open challenge to all flat earthers to come to this prestigious forum and prove their case and make it official here. A major victory on this forum is a huge victory on google. You can help make this debate happen by getting those flat earth experts off of youtube and bring them here where the debate counts. I only have a couple of simple rules: this debate deals with the Biblical view and not a debate from the perspective of modern science. So I will only discuss the Biblical view. Also, since flat earthers claim to be "Christians" then they must use Christian sources and not silly atheist opinions. I would also invite all these flat earth professors and the most highly educated and scholarly among them. So lets get these flat earth Bible scholars on this forum and make the results official.
Lets put these FE Bible scholars to the test
I do not care about arguments from modern science. If atheists want to believe the earth is flat than have at it. But where in the Bible does it say the earth is flat? Can you point out a single verse that teaches flat earth? For I am a little confused about your position here.It has been tried before. When you do say something correct, your material is deleted or removed.
I actually gave incredible amount of detail on the differential geometry and topology of this plane of existence, as well as the physics that would sustain the forces and motion - all while championing a non-globe plane of existence.
I did not say it was flat; it is a manifold. That is usually as far as I can get before persons who cannot verify simple kinematics start chiming in and derailing the thread - or the thread is downright shut down or deleted with no warning.
I have explained what I have come up with - tested it, and reproduced it (as well as taught it to my students, and they reproduce[d] the same model with the same results). There are people out there that can elegantly explain their non-globe earth model. But, I understand why this is a hot thing right now, even though it has been well known for millennia despite philosophical paradigm shifts. This current paradigm is shifting, and one of the things that buckles before the "new age" is the idea and structure of knowledge. (It also explains why some can only resort to calling others names for questioning the status quo - it is spiritual in nature.)
I agree that this flat earth movement seeks a paradigm shift in knowledge which is why I began debating flerfs. They seem to desire anarchy and chaos over modern civilization and prosperity.It has been tried before. When you do say something correct, your material is deleted or removed.
I actually gave incredible amount of detail on the differential geometry and topology of this plane of existence, as well as the physics that would sustain the forces and motion - all while championing a non-globe plane of existence.
I did not say it was flat; it is a manifold. That is usually as far as I can get before persons who cannot verify simple kinematics start chiming in and derailing the thread - or the thread is downright shut down or deleted with no warning.
I have explained what I have come up with - tested it, and reproduced it (as well as taught it to my students, and they reproduce[d] the same model with the same results). There are people out there that can elegantly explain their non-globe earth model. But, I understand why this is a hot thing right now, even though it has been well known for millennia despite philosophical paradigm shifts. This current paradigm is shifting, and one of the things that buckles before the "new age" is the idea and structure of knowledge. (It also explains why some can only resort to calling others names for questioning the status quo - it is spiritual in nature.)
The Bible is the only God given authority now as to what a person knows about God (Holy Spirit, Jesus, Father) and what God wants people to know at this point of time about his Creation, and any other area the Bible touches on.My Saints? Aren't they your Saints, too? Did not Paul give good mention to Clement of Rome in Philippians 4:3? Does your "Protestant" church reject 2000 years of the Christian priesthood?
2 Thessalonians 2:15,
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (KJV).
But you say to abandon the Apostolic tradition?
1 Timothy 4:16 further says:
"Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you."
But you say to ignore doctrine and make up destructive lies?
Hebrews 13:17
"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. Let them do this with joy and not complaining, for that would not be profitable to you."
1 Peter 5:5
Likewise you younger ones, submit yourselves to the elders. Yes, all of you be submissive one to another and clothe yourselves with humility, because
“God resists the proud,
but gives grace to the humble.”
1 Timothy 5:17
"Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine."
1 Thessalonians 5:12-13
"We ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who labor among you, and are appointed over you in the Lord, and instruct you. 13 Esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves."
But you say not to obey our leaders but to rise up against 2000 years of sound doctrine?
To prove that, you have to use science, you can not prove that by the Bible alone. The Bible is clear in many areas with only the obtuse person toward these clear accounts in the Bible would say they do not actually mean what they say.As long as we agree: None of those verses says the earth is flat. Fine.
Those words don't mean what you think they do.
I do not care about arguments from modern science. If atheists want to believe the earth is flat than have at it. But where in the Bible does it say the earth is flat? Can you point out a single verse that teaches flat earth?
Really? You cannot be saved unless you believe everything the bible says?What they say is:
The Bible teachers the earth is flat.
You can't be saved unless you believe everything the bible says.
I agree that this flat earth movement seeks a paradigm shift in knowledge which is why I began debating flerfs. They seem to desire anarchy and chaos over modern civilization and prosperity.
I have already wasted too much time with even acknowledging anything you say here.Site all information here and make each verse visible to this forum. If you just want to brawl I will ignore you. There are no videos in this debate. You may cite from information from those videos, but I will not be viewing a single video in this debate because this debate must be supported by authoritative sources and documented here. So no video debates.
Did I not answer your post? Do I have to copy-paste the post again? I fail to see why I should have to do that.