How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus

[Dan1988]

Hello

How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus.

This is not a scripture hunt more of an out load wondering.

I know what scripture says. So does every one in here. So do people all over the world. Everyone is waiting for him so how does he manage to deceive a world that is waiting for him.

This question haunted me for years.

The only answer I can come up with is this.................... and it is sooooo simple................ I was amazed it took me so long to see it.

So here it is. Everyone is waiting for a person to fulfill a particular set of event that person will be labeled the AC. For Example

Many Believe the AC will make a Pact with the Jews and help them rebuild the Temple.

So ask yourself this..... if a Man, say a leader of the EU, did just that how many people would believe beyond any doubt he was the AC. Now if the Temple was rebuilt how happy would the Muslims be. So if the EU then came to the defense of Israel that would just be more proof he was the AC.

Example 2:

Say a EU Leader got shot in the head and then Lived. How many people would say he was the AC without even a doubt in their mind.

So what the AC must do is convince the world that someone else is the AC.

Now after the world is convinced someone is the AC and a series of events happen. What is everyone is waiting for............... What event. Well they are waiting for Jesus to show up and destroy him aren't they.

Now we can see why Satan and his demons have put so much effort into false doctrine over the centuries. It is to get to a point where people think the Arrival of the AC is one set of events that it really isn't. That way he can create that "Fake Set" of events convince the world someone else is the AC then he can show up with all signs and wonders destroy the Fake AC and convince the world he is Jesus returned to set up God's Kingdom.

The simplicity of this is diabolical

I would disagree with you that, most of the world is waiting for the AC to show.
My understanding is that most of the world has never studied the Bible, so they don't have a clue what to expect.

Most professing Christian Churches don't even warn their congregations about him. He is only mentioned in the book of revelation and most Church leaders keep away from that book.

You would be surprised at how little the majority of "Christians" know about the revelation of Jesus Christ. It's hard enough for Theologians and Bible Scholars to understand the book of revelation, let alone the man on the street.

The Bible is seen as an outdated book of fairy tales by 99% of people in the 21st century and fewer and fewer people believe it with every passing year. Even Christian schools teach evolution and the scientific community recently claimed to have irrefutable proof that evolution is a fact.

Satan and His Demons have been working extra hard for centuries to convince people that the Bible is nothing more than a bunch of stories written by goat herders thousands of years ago and it has no relevance in the modern age.

Christ predicted that there would be a great falling away before the man of sin is revealed and we are seeing Churches closing down and young people mocking believers and calling them fools.

So the stage is set for the AC to come and deceive the whole world, He would deceive the very elect if it were possible. Only those who have the Holy Spirit indwelling them will not be deceived, the rest will have no chance against Him.

 

[Tone]

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Yeah, so is that why you said you will see the AC right before he is destroyed?

 

[Pethesedzao]

Yeah, so is that why you said you will see the AC right before he is destroyed?

The raptured Church returns with Jesus at the end of the Tribulation period (7 years)

 

[Erik Nelson]

...God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world."

Also

14 Saints Reveal Details About the Antichrist

Yes, that = Revelation 20:9+

Final Victory only comes through Revelation 20:9 "fire from heaven" and the ensuing Final Judgement overseen by Christ at His Second Coming

the Church endures through to the end (Rev 20:7-9), but only God in heaven, "blasting" earth with Fire from Heaven, brings about ultimate victory over global international "God & Magog"

there have been "anti-Christs" since the 1st century AD, for the past 2000 year, in fact anyone who denies Jesus is/was already the Christ -- perhaps b/c they want to believe another is/will be -- is such (1 John 2:22)

 

[Erik Nelson]

I will see the Antichrist just before Jesus destroys him with the breath of His mouth.

The Church, as the Body of Christ on earth, already defeated the Beast [of the Sea] = pagan Roman empire, with the "sword tongue of the mouth" = preaching the Gospel, in the 3rd-4th centuries (St. Lawrence converted Rome in 258 AD, Constantine defeated the persecutors of the Church in 312 AD)

 

[Erik Nelson]

I'm not Catholic, but I thought I'd show Erik what his Church teaches - although he says he is non-denomination, he often times shows his support for Rome as the True Faith.

the Great Tribulation of Diocletian in 300 AD obviously occurred "before the 2nd Coming"

also, in the immediate leadup to the 2nd Coming, "Gog & Magog" attack the Church globally internationally

nothing I said is inconsistent with what you posted

 

[Erik Nelson]

The beast doesn't exist yet so cannot have been destroyed already. The beasts (there are two) will be defeated when Christ returns after they ruled the world for 42 months.



No, the modern era is now and is long before the "little time" when Satan is released from the pit. He isn't cast into the pit until after the 42 month GT.




Gog and Magog aren't Christians and wouldn't believe in such a concept let alone expect one plus the Mill is over by the time they are deceived a last time and then are destroyed.

you're running the Statue of Daniel through a pasta press

your statue is "elastic man" with legs 5x longer than the rest of the body

in reality, Daniel's statue is a "linear" time-line, each body segment is sized in almost mathematically exact relation to the amount of linear earth time which elapses under the corresponding "beastly" empire

the four beastly parts of the statue are all:

• in the same general place (Near Eastern region centered on the Holy Land0
• existing at the same general time (1st millennium BC)
• the same size (~1 milion square miles or so)
• existing for the same amount of time (a few centuries apiece)

up until the Millennium, the Church is on the ascendancy, the number of opponents decreases steadily from two (Babylon+Beast) to one (Beast) to zero. Then the Church enters its high water mark Millennium.

The Church only starts losing ground, and opposition to the Church only becomes global international after the Millennium, with Gog & Magog

As Rodney Stark showed in Cities of God, the raw total number of rank & file Christians grew steadily and exponentially from Christ to Constantine, by whose time there were 5-10 million Christians in the Roman empire alone

From Rev 1:1 to Rev 20:1-6, the Church is on the up & up & up... it doesn't start retreating until Rev 20:7-9

Major newspapers are today reporting that western nations are officially "post-Christian"... because we are officially "post-Millennium"

It is NOT the case, that the Millennium high-water mark of the Church occurs... right after the percentage of the population who are Christians drops down into single digits

"In the news today, the western world is officially post-Christian"... "OOPS, sorry, retraction, this just in, everybody just became Christian again, ushering in the Millennium!"

Nope.

Only one place in Revelation where the Church wanes & ebbs away = Rev 20:7-9
Only one place in Revelation where the Church is opposed globally internationally "by everyone & everything within 100Mpc" (so to speak) = Rev 20:7-9

Daniel's Statue has (had) prophetic predictive power because its proportions map directly, linearly, accurately, and very precisely to exact amounts of linear earth time on this planet:

 

[Pethesedzao]

The Church, as the Body of Christ on earth, already defeated the Beast [of the Sea] = pagan Roman empire, with the "sword tongue of the mouth" = preaching the Gospel, in the 3rd-4th centuries (St. Lawrence converted Rome in 258 AD, Constantine defeated the persecutors of the Church in 312 AD)

History repeats itself

 

[Just The Facts]

Hello Erik

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The Church, as the Body of Christ on earth, already defeated the Beast [of the Sea] = pagan Roman empire, with the "sword tongue of the mouth" = preaching the Gospel, in the 3rd-4th centuries (St. Lawrence converted Rome in 258 AD, Constantine defeated the persecutors of the Church in 312 AD)
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Have you ever study history especially that period of history. The Church didn't defeat Rome............. Rome defeated the Church.

Every thing that made Christianity Unique and apart from this world was lost replaced by a Conquering religion that is responsible for the death of literally tens if not hundreds of millions of people

 

[timothyu]

there have been "anti-Christs" since the 1st century AD, for the past 2000 year, in fact anyone who denies Jesus is/was already the Christ

Anyone who refuses to put God's will before their own and not love all neighbours as self is anti-Christ

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, that = Revelation 20:9+

Final Victory only comes through Revelation 20:9 "fire from heaven" and the ensuing Final Judgement overseen by Christ at His Second Coming

Christ's second coming was over a thousand years before that fire happens and it also isn't a final judgment since the actual GWTJ happens after that event.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Christ's second coming was over a thousand years before that fire happens and it also isn't a final judgment since the actual GWTJ happens after that event.

GWTJ = 2nd C

The Church is the Body of Christ on Earth (why helping believers is as helping Christ Himself, Matthew 25:40)

Church victory (Council of Nicea in 325 AD means "Council of Victory") is Christ victorious on earth

Jesus' physical 2C is at Judgement = GWTJ = Matthew 25 = Revelation 20:10+

 

[Pethesedzao]

I would disagree with you that, most of the world is waiting for the AC to show.
My understanding is that most of the world has never studied the Bible, so they don't have a clue what to expect.

Most professing Christian Churches don't even warn their congregations about him. He is only mentioned in the book of revelation and most Church leaders keep away from that book.

You would be surprised at how little the majority of "Christians" know about the revelation of Jesus Christ. It's hard enough for Theologians and Bible Scholars to understand the book of revelation, let alone the man on the street.

The Bible is seen as an outdated book of fairy tales by 99% of people in the 21st century and fewer and fewer people believe it with every passing year. Even Christian schools teach evolution and the scientific community recently claimed to have irrefutable proof that evolution is a fact.

Satan and His Demons have been working extra hard for centuries to convince people that the Bible is nothing more than a bunch of stories written by goat herders thousands of years ago and it has no relevance in the modern age.

Christ predicted that there would be a great falling away before the man of sin is revealed and we are seeing Churches closing down and young people mocking believers and calling them fools.

So the stage is set for the AC to come and deceive the whole world, He would deceive the very elect if it were possible. Only those who have the Holy Spirit indwelling them will not be deceived, the rest will have no chance against Him.

 

[Pethesedzao]

First of all the a/c will not be revealed until after the Church is raptured. The nuclear destruction of America will bring him to power as the rEUnited Roman Empire will be the fourth and last kingdom to reign over the Earth before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and his Church at Jerusalem.

 

[timothyu]

The nuclear destruction of America

Where then will God post His witty church signs?

 

[Pethesedzao]

Where then will God post His witty church signs?

Church signs aren't witty they're Warnings

 

[timothyu]

Church signs aren't witty they're Warnings

Sometimes.

 

[Kaon]

Hello

How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus.

This is not a scripture hunt more of an out load wondering.

I know what scripture says. So does every one in here. So do people all over the world. Everyone is waiting for him so how does he manage to deceive a world that is waiting for him.

This question haunted me for years.

The only answer I can come up with is this.................... and it is sooooo simple................ I was amazed it took me so long to see it.

So here it is. Everyone is waiting for a person to fulfill a particular set of event that person will be labeled the AC. For Example

Many Believe the AC will make a Pact with the Jews and help them rebuild the Temple.

So ask yourself this..... if a Man, say a leader of the EU, did just that how many people would believe beyond any doubt he was the AC. Now if the Temple was rebuilt how happy would the Muslims be. So if the EU then came to the defense of Israel that would just be more proof he was the AC.

Example 2:

Say a EU Leader got shot in the head and then Lived. How many people would say he was the AC without even a doubt in their mind.

So what the AC must do is convince the world that someone else is the AC.

Now after the world is convinced someone is the AC and a series of events happen. What is everyone is waiting for............... What event. Well they are waiting for Jesus to show up and destroy him aren't they.

Now we can see why Satan and his demons have put so much effort into false doctrine over the centuries. It is to get to a point where people think the Arrival of the AC is one set of events that it really isn't. That way he can create that "Fake Set" of events convince the world someone else is the AC then he can show up with all signs and wonders destroy the Fake AC and convince the world he is Jesus returned to set up God's Kingdom.

The simplicity of this is diabolical

It's example 2.


Fake apocalyptic events, fake antichrist, fake showdown, fake advent -- then real antichrist comes and makes everything better for a time. The world is already there; even though we were told this man would deceive the elect if it were possible, people still believe they know who this entity will be - even that it is alive and in public sight today. This is besides all of the prophecy that must happen first.

When this entity comes and heals the world, and makes believers out of skeptics of magic, then people will fall to their knees willingly - especially after the "restoration". I guarantee 2/3 of the world would bow to the entity that stops global warming, cleans the atmosphere, makes deserts green, turns lead into gold, and "upgrades" everyone - leading to "worldwide peace". People would be socially pressured to worship the beast, if nothing else.

 

[timothyu]

People would be socially pressured to worship the beast, if nothing else.

Kind of sounds like the governance of man. Funny how so many believe their nation would never oppose Jesus but they all do and will do upon His return. They all have everything they have ever stood for to lose.

 

[Kaon]

Kind of sounds like the governance of man. Funny how so many believe their nation would never oppose Jesus but they all do and will do upon His return. They all have everything they have ever stood for to lose.

You may be right, but I would say you don't even need governance to get people to fall under the spell of "group think" by means of social pressure.

When the world - not the entity itself - calls this thing a god because of the things it has done, whoever disagrees with that will fall in the same categories as all the other alleged undesirable personalities.

The trick is that this entity doesn't actually have to do much work because we are so lost we readily destroy each other so we can be first to be destroyed by it. The psychology is already here, clear and evident. All that has to happen are the events, and the advent(s).