How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus

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Also the comment about "wanting to be deceived".

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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Put another way, the reason Revelation is written the way that it is, is because God has already expected Satan to willfully fulfill scripture/ prophecy about the messiah. It is already 'baked in' into prophecy that Satan is going to copy it.

This part has always puzzled me until recently and I had a revelation or rather just a "Duh!" moment. I used to wonder why Satan would fulfill God's prophecies. Isn't that pointless? The devil is trying to rebel! Why not take a different approach and then avoid hell for a longer period of time. Then I realized that it is because as God has allotted humans a limited time to live, God has allotted the devil a certain amount of time before he must be cast into the lake of fire. So thus the devil simply wants to deceive as many people and as quickly as possible before the end comes. Because the Satan knows that "his time is short".
 
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Thankfully.

Hey, the Tempter deserves credit. Without it many may not have come to the realization of how backwards the will of man is compared to God's will. Anyone should know we learn best from our mistakes.
 
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the Beast was spiritually defeated 1700 years ago

the modern era corresponds to the "little time" of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:7-9)

every deceit helps the Deceiver

Gog and Magog don't inherit a Millennium, as they apparently expect

They will be destroyed by fire from Heaven (Revelation 20:9)

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"Use the Irish mercenaries. Arrows cost money. The dead cost nothing" -- Edward Longshanks ( portrayed as an evil Germanic villain), Braveheart
 
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Hello

How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus.

This is not a scripture hunt more of an out load wondering.

I know what scripture says. So does every one in here. So do people all over the world. Everyone is waiting for him so how does he manage to deceive a world that is waiting for him.

This question haunted me for years.

The only answer I can come up with is this.................... and it is sooooo simple................ I was amazed it took me so long to see it.

So here it is. Everyone is waiting for a person to fulfill a particular set of event that person will be labeled the AC. For Example

Many Believe the AC will make a Pact with the Jews and help them rebuild the Temple.

So ask yourself this..... if a Man, say a leader of the EU, did just that how many people would believe beyond any doubt he was the AC. Now if the Temple was rebuilt how happy would the Muslims be. So if the EU then came to the defense of Israel that would just be more proof he was the AC.

Example 2:

Say a EU Leader got shot in the head and then Lived. How many people would say he was the AC without even a doubt in their mind.

So what the AC must do is convince the world that someone else is the AC.

Now after the world is convinced someone is the AC and a series of events happen. What is everyone is waiting for............... What event. Well they are waiting for Jesus to show up and destroy him aren't they.

Now we can see why Satan and his demons have put so much effort into false doctrine over the centuries. It is to get to a point where people think the Arrival of the AC is one set of events that it really isn't. That way he can create that "Fake Set" of events convince the world someone else is the AC then he can show up with all signs and wonders destroy the Fake AC and convince the world he is Jesus returned to set up God's Kingdom.

The simplicity of this is diabolical
I will see the Antichrist just before Jesus destroys him with the breath of His mouth.
 
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The beast never will claim to be Jesus. He will claim to have achieved God-hood.

When the person first claims to be have achieved God-hood is in 2Thessalonians2:4. Which in Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has him killed, saying...

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

In Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

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So it is necessary to realize that the person thinks in his heart that the has achieved God-hood. He will hold the position that there are many gods, but he is the greatest of them.

Until Jesus returns there is still sin active in our world. So, unless we are in heaven with Jesus then whoever or whatever power(s) and their claims of being God are to be ignored/discounted, and certainly not worshiped, regardless of what goes on, including strong signs, wonders, perceived miracles and/or any type of forced worship.

2 Thessalonians

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
 
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the Beast was spiritually defeated 1700 years ago

The beast doesn't exist yet so cannot have been destroyed already. The beasts (there are two) will be defeated when Christ returns after they ruled the world for 42 months.

the modern era corresponds to the "little time" of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:7-9)

No, the modern era is now and is long before the "little time" when Satan is released from the pit. He isn't cast into the pit until after the 42 month GT.


Gog and Magog don't inherit a Millennium, as they apparently expect

Gog and Magog aren't Christians and wouldn't believe in such a concept let alone expect one plus the Mill is over by the time they are deceived a last time and then are destroyed.
 
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Read what scripture says about crossing the Euphrates. A highway has already been built.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
 
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Along the lines of making the world great again.

Yeah, this whole Trump thing with MAGA and The Wall is setting the stage for the beast. We have a counter-reaction to the socialist agenda of wealth redistribution, by "securing our borders" (a symbol of national sovereignty), which seems like it could be slowing the process down, but I believe it is expediting it. We have the whole world watching the U.S.'s protective posture and their desire to be "prosperous" is inflamed. The prosperity gospel has been flooding third world nations for decades and they want a piece of the pie, so I feel an exponential push for global economic equality rising.
 
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He will not claim to be them but one who is or was once like and is now superior to them, and will hate and sway the rest of the world to hate them and us, a speak evil of them (God) and us... With God, for some reason; maybe for cursing us, or hiding the truth from us, or deceiving us, or otherwise tricking us or something, ect... The whole world will get caught up in it...

God Bless!

He may claim to be third member of the Godhead maybe...? Possibly...?

God Bless!

Except it will not be just Jews or even mainly Jews...

God Bless!

Might be something how he is supposed to be God or like God superior to those God's, and will probably tell many that either already are, or they are, or can easily be to, or are also, and lead a revolution...

Maybe, that you can have some kind of power through him, ect... or he might have some powers, ect...

God Bless!

He will probably in fact be able to convince a great many people that those God's (YHWH and even Christ Himself or themselves), actually "hate us", and they involved, or sometimes involve and/or use us and this world, for very sinister plans, and or ultimately very selfish and self-centered reasons, ect, ect.... that if "we only knew", we would consider them the same, ect...

God Bless!
 
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He will probably in fact be able to convince a great many people that those God's (YHWH and even Christ Himself or themselves), actually "hate us", and they involved, or sometimes involve and/or use us and this world, for very sinister plans, and or ultimately very selfish and self-centered reasons, ect, ect.... that if "we only knew", we would consider them the same, ect...

God Bless!
"Who knows" exactly what he is going to do...? But it will be thing like these, or this, and related to them...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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the Beast was spiritually defeated 1700 years ago

the modern era corresponds to the "little time" of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:7-9)

every deceit helps the Deceiver

Gog and Magog don't inherit a Millennium, as they apparently expect

They will be destroyed by fire from Heaven (Revelation 20:9)

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"Use the Irish mercenaries. Arrows cost money. The dead cost nothing" -- Edward Longshanks ( portrayed as an evil Germanic villain), Braveheart

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world."

Also

14 Saints Reveal Details About the Antichrist
 
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