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Paul spoke of believers falling away from the faith as they were wicked and evil men that have not faith that walk not after the traditions taught of us and are disorderly and commanded believers were to withdraw from them, not treating them as the enemy, but admonishing them as brothers still.

Being the worst of all sinners, he remained in the position to judge no not one.


Matthew 7,1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Luke 6,37
John 7,24
James 4,11-12
Romans 2,1-3
Ephesians 4,29
Romans 14,1-13
John 8,7
Matthew 7,1-2
Titus 3,2-7
Luke 6,31
Proverbs 31,9
Matthew 6,14-15

Funny how people think the saints are exempt from scriptures lessons and so they did no wrong.
 
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He is not dead, he is a Saint in Heaven.
St. Paul pray for us!

Who makes any one a saint? The same as Who makes any one a son of god. Jesus Christ does it.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And Paul being in Heaven cannot make intercessions for us to God.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Only God hears prayers and it is Jesus is the only One that answers prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
 
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Not arguing needing Jesus to guide us. It is why He sent the HS for those of the Kingdom, not the world of man. It's not hard to hate the motives behind what man does in oppressing and seeking gain at the expense of others. Turn on the news.

You can pretty much trust God to confirm His words to you in the King James Bible. He has for me.

All modern Bibles seem to be in it for seeking gain and they still haven't made an easier to read Bible than the KJV yet. Otherwise why are they still making more Bible versions? Answer; money more than anything else.
 
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A very weird, unique, and suspicious story.
It really doesn't match anything else in scripture.
That’s not what St. Peter thought. I’m gonna go with what he wrote.

2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
 
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Being the worst of all sinners, he remained in the position to judge no not one.

Try reading His words in this light.

Matthew 7,1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Jesus was speaking against those who correct others and yet are doing the same thing still. He did not say you can never correct others. He said remove the log out of your own eye, hence repent, before correcting others, removing the speck in their eye.

Jesus did teach correcting brothers that have gone astray and to excommunicate them if they still refuse to repent before the whole church.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Luke 6,37
John 7,24
James 4,11-12
Romans 2,1-3
Ephesians 4,29
Romans 14,1-13
John 8,7
Matthew 7,1-2
Titus 3,2-7
Luke 6,31
Proverbs 31,9
Matthew 6,14-15

Funny how people think the saints are exempt from scriptures lessons and so they did no wrong.

I doubt those verses will make your case when obviously scripture tells us we are to correct others.
 
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I think the following are two important things to keep in mind when dealing with things of this nature:

1) Homolegoumena > antilegomena. The New Testament didn't assemble itself, some books were accepted almost from the beginning, these are the universally accepted books (homolegoumena); while there were other books which were debated and contested, some more than others (antilegomena). The homolegoumena includes the Four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the Thirteen Epistles of Paul, and the two Catholic Epistles of 1 Peter and 1 John. The antilegomena consists of 2 Peter, 2 & 3 John, Hebrews, James, Jude, the Revelation of John, the Didache, 1 Clement, the Shepherd, the Epistle of Barnabas, and the Revelation of Peter. In time certain books of the antilegomena, but not all of them, came to enjoy broad consensus and acceptance; though in some cases it took a very long time: as late as the 14th century some copies of the Vulgate contained the spurious letter to the Laodiceans, hence its inclusion in John Wycliffe's translation, and other similar pecularities in other parts of the Christian world. As a rule, one should probably not use antilegomena to establish doctrine over and against homolegoumena, if there is any conflict (not saying there is, but should one be found) homolegoumena should take precedence. As such, if there is any conflict between Paul's letters and the letter of James (again, not saying there is, but if there were such a conflict) then the letters of Paul take precedence. As such using James to undermine the doctrine of Justification is bad biblical application.

2) Clarity > obscurity. There are times when Scripture is more consistent and clear than other times; if we should see "X" repeated again and again, but then in one or two instances find something that seems to suggest "Not X", we should be confident that the consistent witness of Scripture is still "X", and at that juncture being our treatment of the confusing or obscure statements. On the issue of Justification, what is the clear and consistent witness of Scripture? Thus when we find, for example here in James, something that brings confusion or even conflict with that consistent witness, we should not abandon the consistent witness but instead understand how and in what way the conflicting witness fits into the overall picture. Is this actual conflict, or merely apparent conflict?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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That’s not what St. Peter thought. I’m gonna go with what he wrote.

2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


So these people written about 2000 years ago in one one church,
you hijack this bit of history to not very subtly insult people you deem ignorant?
I guess I don't follow you.
 
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All of his legalism, and mostly not supporting these few passages:


1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3,1
1 Timothy 2,1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Deuteronomy 16:18-20

1 Timothy 6:15-16
Proverbs 21:1
Romans 13:4

John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 8:15

John 19:10-11
Daniel 2:21
2 Chronicles 7:14

Exodus 18:21
Romans 8:28
1 Corinthians 14:40

Deuteronomy 1:13
Romans 12:21
Romans 13:2
Romans 13:6-7


And the book of John.
What legalism? and how does Paul not support those scriptures? I don't see the basis of your point, can you please explain?
TD:)
 
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All modern Bibles seem to be in it for seeking gain and they still haven't made an easier to read Bible than the KJV yet. Otherwise why are they still making more Bible versions? Answer; money more than anything else.

Such is the traditional way of man vs the way of God's will. If the focus was on the Gospel of the Kingdom, Christians would be more aware of the fact Jesus came to say we've got it all backwards. The institutions of man don't want to hear that and don't want us to hear that. Takes a chunk out of their control be it Christian or secular.
 
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So these people written about 2000 years ago in one one church,
you hijack this bit of history to not very subtly insult people you deem ignorant?
I guess I don't follow you.
I didn’t hijack anything. You wrote this below,
Becasue Paul never spent any time with Jesus, all his teachings are suspect on how believers are to act, becasue he never saw Jesus in action.
St. Peter wrote 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

I’m sticking with St. Peter.
 
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It happened.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Course, what James was saying was not for salvation purpose, but for abiding in Him, obviously.
I never said to obey the Jewish law, I said we have Christian responsibilities we have to obey
 
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When did Paul wake up?
Judgment day has come already?

Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

John 11,11
After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.”

Matthew 9,24
He said, “Go away, for the girl is not dead but sleeping.” And they laughed at him.

Daniel 12,2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Proverbs 3,24
If you lie down, you will not be afraid; when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.

Mark 5,39
And when he had entered, he said to them, “Why are you making a commotion and weeping? The child is not dead but sleeping.”
Soul sleep is a modern heresy. The Bible talk about Lazarus and the rich man being aware of what's going on, and Revelation talk about the saints being aware of what happens in Earth.
 
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Who makes any one a saint? The same as Who makes any one a son of god. Jesus Christ does it.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And Paul being in Heaven cannot make intercessions for us to God.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Only God hears prayers and it is Jesus is the only One that answers prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
So you don't ask people to pray for you?
 
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I think the following are two important things to keep in mind when dealing with things of this nature:

1) Homolegoumena > antilegomena. The New Testament didn't assemble itself, some books were accepted almost from the beginning, these are the universally accepted books (homolegoumena); while there were other books which were debated and contested, some more than others (antilegomena). The homolegoumena includes the Four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the Thirteen Epistles of Paul, and the two Catholic Epistles of 1 Peter and 1 John. The antilegomena consists of 2 Peter, 2 & 3 John, Hebrews, James, Jude, the Revelation of John, the Didache, 1 Clement, the Shepherd, the Epistle of Barnabas, and the Revelation of Peter. In time certain books of the antilegomena, but not all of them, came to enjoy broad consensus and acceptance; though in some cases it took a very long time: as late as the 14th century some copies of the Vulgate contained the spurious letter to the Laodiceans, hence its inclusion in John Wycliffe's translation, and other similar pecularities in other parts of the Christian world. As a rule, one should probably not use antilegomena to establish doctrine over and against homolegoumena, if there is any conflict (not saying there is, but should one be found) homolegoumena should take precedence. As such, if there is any conflict between Paul's letters and the letter of James (again, not saying there is, but if there were such a conflict) then the letters of Paul take precedence. As such using James to undermine the doctrine of Justification is bad biblical application.

2) Clarity > obscurity. There are times when Scripture is more consistent and clear than other times; if we should see "X" repeated again and again, but then in one or two instances find something that seems to suggest "Not X", we should be confident that the consistent witness of Scripture is still "X", and at that juncture being our treatment of the confusing or obscure statements. On the issue of Justification, what is the clear and consistent witness of Scripture? Thus when we find, for example here in James, something that brings confusion or even conflict with that consistent witness, we should not abandon the consistent witness but instead understand how and in what way the conflicting witness fits into the overall picture. Is this actual conflict, or merely apparent conflict?

-CryptoLutheran
Sorry, but that some books of the Bible were introduced later does not mean we cannot get doctrine from them. Also, which what authority do you say some books have more authority than others?
 
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The law of Moses is how those who have respect of persons are judged under. If they break one point of the law of Moses, then they break the whole law and thus become transgressor of the law. Verse 12 refers to verse 8 as that is the royal law under Christ;

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

So James was referring to the royal law Christ as the law of liberty to love others per verse James 2:8 If they do the royal law, they do well. If not, but have respect of persons, then they are judged by the law of Moses.



The contrast between those tow references confirms the truth I just shared. The law of Moses is the law of sin and death. The law of liberty is the same as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus in having made us free from the law of sin and death.

Our hope in Christ and not in our religious flesh can be seen here.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.



Your quote was shorted of the many references because of post length limit.

You need to make a distinction between the law of Moses and the law of liberty. They are not one and the same. None of the scripture cited supports your judgment that they are not of Christ. The scripture you misapplied are for discerning believers of whom are abiding in Christ and when they are not. If you consider that those not abiding already know the gospel, then those who profess to believe are called to do what? Repent. If you see a brother living in sin, and he already knows the gospel, you would react in the same way; tell him to go to Jesus for forgiveness and help to not live in sin. If he does not listen, grab 2 or 3 witnesses to confirm the word to him of the need to repent; if he still does not listen, bring him before the church. If he still does not listen to repent, then he is to be excommunicated, but note the beginning of Jesus words as regarding those astray as still His sheep..

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

We see the same instruction in dealing with wicked and unreasonable men that have not faith that do not walk after the traditions taught of us and are "disorderly" as expounding on those that fall away from the faith for not holding the tradition that one cannot receive the Holy Spirt apart from salvation.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Damned? Yes, because being left behind to be resurrected after the great tribulation as a vessel of "dishonor" in His House is a damnation, but Paul goes on to explain that they are still brothers.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;....13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. 14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

How can this be? Paul even calls former believers to repent because Jesus Christ still abides in them, and if they do not, then they are at risk of being denied by Him when the Bridegroom comes.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.....

Example given about former believers before that call to repent to all believers not abiding in Him, but in iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So abiding in Him as His disciple is to be fruitful and that our joy may be full when the Bridegroom comes. That is what running that race is all about, looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin so that we may be received by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House. Hebrews 12:1-2

No one can run that race for salvation for that would be denying Him as our Saviour that we are saved.
Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world...….9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

That is why His burden is easy and His yoke is light ( Matthew 11:28-30 ) because He will do it ( John 6:28-39 ) ; He will finish His work in us to His glory ( Philippians 1:6-11 ) when we rest in Him that we are saved as well as rest in Him as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him by His power; not by our religious strivings; but by our trust in Him for everything and to help us. Philippians 3:3-10



The commandments are ..

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

If any one wonders why Christians are guiltless for profaning the sabbath, then see why and how in Matthew 12:1-7. If you cannot see that truth, then ask Him. If not still, Lord be willing, ask me and I may be around still to answer you.
1. We are all judged under the Law of Liberty(John 12:48;Romans 2:16) so to do we judge by this same Law(1 Cor 2:15, 6:2-5; John 7:24). He that shows respect for persons because of wealth or position is judged by this same law of Liberty as a sinner(Romans 2:11-16;Acts 10:34-35;Colossians 3:25), because it is the Law we will all be judged by in the Last day.
It is the Law of Liberty being spoken of throughout these verses here. As the law of Liberty is the only Law being mentioned(it is also the Royal Law).
James 2:
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

2. Yes the Law of Moses is done and we now have a new law told to us by Christ and the Apostles.

3. Yes the Hope is in Christ through faith, but the works produced by that faith being wrought together becomes perfect. Faith and works for justification, Faith alone for Salvation.

4. I have brother, the Law of Moses was written on Parchment by the Hand of Moses, it was completely done away with by Christ's death and resurrection when he spiritually ascended into heaven and entered into the second apartment to sprinkle his blood on the Alter before the Throne of YHWH

Handwriting of ordinances-Exodus 34:27; Nehemiah 9:13,14; 2 Chronicles 33:8; Exodus 18:20; Leviticus 18:4; 2 Kings 17:34,35,37,38

Law of moses-Joshua 8:31,32,34,35; Joshua 23:6; Judges 4:11; 1 Kings 2:3; 2 Kings 14:6; 2 Kings 23:25; 2 Chronicles 23:18; 2 Chronicles 30:16; Ezra 3:2; Ezra 7:6; Nehemiah 8:1; Daniel 9:11,13; Malachi 4:4

Law of the Covenant/Book of the Covenant- Exodus 34:27; Exodus 24:7; 2 Kings 23:21; 2 Kings 23:2,3,21

Book of the Law- Deut 29:27,29; Joshua 1:7-8; Deuteronomy 31:24,26; Deuteronomy 30:10; Joshua 23:6; Joshua 24:26; 2 Kings 14:6; 2 Chronicles 25:4; 2 Chronicles 17:9; Nehemiah 9:3; Nehemiah 8:1; Ezra 6:18; Nehemiah 13:1; 2 Kings 22:8-13 ; Psalm 40:7; 1 Samuel 10:25; Nehemiah 8:9; Joshua 8:31,31,34,35


The Law of Christ is the Moral law written on our hearts and the Law given to us by the Apostles and Christ
Declared all the counsel of God(Acts 20:26-28)
Continued in Doctrine of the Apostles(Acts 2:42)
Hold Fast to the Doctrine(Titus 1:9)
Paul has Planted the word(1 Cor 3:6)
Do the things commanded by the Apostles(2 Thess 3:4,6)
Hold Fast to the word and Tradtions we have been taught(2 Thess 2:14-17)
Doctrine of Christ(2 John 9-10)
Oberserve these things(2 Tim 5:21)
Be mindful of the words spoken by the prophets and the commandments of the Apostles and Christ(2 Peter 3:1-2, 15-18)
Keep the sound words given by Paul(2 Timohty 1:13-14)
Fully known the Doctrine, continue in things learned(2 Tim 3:10, 14-15)
Laws of God (Rom 13:2,9-10)
Stablish according to the Gospel and preaching of Christ(Romans 16:25-27)
Fully preached the Gospel of Christ(Romans 15:19,29)
Acknowledge things spoken as commandments of the Lord(1 Cor 14:37)
Gospel received by Revelation of Christ(Gal 1:6-12)
Christ the same today yesterday and tomorrow, so to is the word of God the same. (Hebrews 13:8-9)
Keep the Commandments given by Christ(John 14:21,23, Matt 28:20)
Keep the Ordinances as delivered by the Apostles(1 Cor 11:1-20)
Holy word of God is of no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20-21)

So I'm not sure what you think I was misapplying brother, since everything I said was about:
A. the Mosaic law being completed and done away with
B. A new Law of Liberty, faith, and spirit in Christ
C. Faith and works for justification, and Faith alone for salvation

So I don't understand what it is you believe me to be saying brother.

5. His commandments are those listed above, all the commands given by the Apostles and Christ we must keep as it is the law we are all under. It is the Law of Christ.
As to profaning the Sabbath that is still a sin as the Sabbath is never said to have passed. The Reply won't fit in this response so I will send it in another one.

God bless and guide you brother
 
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