Where is the Beast right Now

[Just The Facts]

Hello All

Another simple question. So where does Scripture say the Beast is now?

 

[ewq1938]

Hello All

Another simple question. So where does Scripture say the Beast is now?

Which beast?

 

[mmksparbud]

Hello All

Another simple question. So where does Scripture say the Beast is now?

Hibernating.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

Well I guess that depends on your view of prophecy. Some believe all the beast are the same others do not. But either way scripture says they are somewhere I am asking where.

 

[d taylor]

Hello All

Another simple question. So where does Scripture say the Beast is now?

Beast out of the sea is in the bottomless pit
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition

 

[Douggg]

Hello All

Another simple question. So where does Scripture say the Beast is now?

Well, the answer is two part.

Part 1
the beast is currently in the bottomless pit, as the disembodied spirit of an ancient person.

Revelation 17:8a The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:


Part 2
the beast is an end times person - the arch villain of the end times in final role of his path. The person is currently alive and somewhere in the world, about to make his emergence as the little horn. He goes through several roles before eventually becoming the beast.

Revelation 17:8b and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hello Doug

"Part 1
the beast is currently in the bottomless pit, as the disembodied spirit of an ancient person."

Do you have scripture that says this? I mean the second part.

 

[ewq1938]

Hi

Well I guess that depends on your view of prophecy. Some believe all the beast are the same others do not. But either way scripture says they are somewhere I am asking where.

The first beast is a government that spans 7 mountains and has ten kingdoms within that area. It doesn't exist yet but will when Satan is ready for it to come to power.

The second beast is the Antichrist and he will rise to power after the first beast is ruling. I believe Satan will be the AC, pretending to be god so more of a role or act than a real person who exists somewhere now. Some believe the AC is just a Satan possessed person which is possible. That person could not yet be born depending on how close or far we are from the timeframe of the two beasts.

 

[Kenny'sID]

We don't know exactly if he even is yet, much less who he is. We do know he will be a man, and the Antichrist who will fool many.

 

[Douggg]

Hello Doug

"Part 1
the beast is currently in the bottomless pit, as the disembodied spirit of an ancient person."

Do you have scripture that says this? I mean the second part.

Part 2
the beast is an end times person - the arch villain of the end times in final role of his path. The person is currently alive and somewhere in the world, about to make his emergence as the little horn. He goes through several roles before eventually becoming the beast.

Revelation 17:8b and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

There is not a simple straight forward statement as such in the bible of what I said regarding Part 2.

What there is in the bible is that in Revelation 13, one of the heads on the beast is mortally wounded but healed and the beast worshiped, as the world wonders after the beast.

If not for Revelation 13, we would have nothing to go on.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Same language as Revelation 17:8b.

In Revelation 13, however, we are given additional information regarding the time frame. 42 months left in the 7 years, the person will have become the beast. The world will witness him being killed and come back to life, just before then.

was (alive), is not (dies), yet is (comes back to life).

That still doesn't solve the issue of Revelation 17:8a, the beast currently in the bottomless pit. Which the only rationally explanation, imo, is that the spirit once within the body of the ancient person, is allowed out of the bottomless pit to possess the end times person - that the world will see killed and come back to life.

 

[Douggg]

Hello Doug

"Part 1
the beast is currently in the bottomless pit, as the disembodied spirit of an ancient person."

Do you have scripture that says this? I mean the second part.

Maybe, I didn't properly address your question. Are you referring to me saying that the person goes through a multitude of roles before becoming the beast. And is alive today?

If so, that would be too much to go through to explain it all in a post because there is too much material involved.

Briefly though, the roles in sequence follow the sequence of the books of the bible.

the litte horn - Daniel 7, 8
the prince who shall come - Daniel 9
the Antichrist - 1John2:18
the revealed man of sin - 2Thessalonians2:4
the beast - Revelation 13

The parable of the fig tree indicates that the person is alive right now and is about to emerge as the little horn - basically the leader of the EU.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Doug

No I am asking if you have scripture that says the Beast is a disembodied spirit of a dead Human Being

 

[Douggg]

Hi Doug

No I am asking if you have scripture that says the Beast is a disembodied spirit of a dead Human Being

I personally don't think the beast in Revelation 17:8a is a dead (pure) human being. I am thinking along the terms of someone who likely was part nephillim - Nimrod. Or think back to the garden of Eden, the most crafty beast of all beasts - who himself conspired with Satan.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Doug

Wow smack me with a surprise stick. Never thought that I would hear that come from a 70th weeker. I would agree.... although I do not think we need to speculate who the Beast in the Pit is at all.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Doug

Wow smack me with a surprise stick. Never thought that I would hear that come from a 70th weeker. I would agree.... although I do not think we need to speculate who the Beast in the Pit is at all.

The beast in the bottomless pit is not Satan, if that is what you are thinking.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Doug

Nope not thinking that at all. The Beast is in the Pit.............. Satan is not. The Beast in the pit is the Fallen Angel Azzazel know and worshiped by the Canaanites and others as Baal.

I would add that is is very confusing because early post 300 AD and Medieval writers tending to blend the two together into one. The Beast and Lucifer are two separate beings that go to the lake of fire at two separate times over 1,000 years apart

 

[Douggg]

Hi Doug

Nope not thinking that at all. The Beast is in the Pit.............. Satan is not. The Beast in the pit is the Fallen Angel Azzazel know and worshiped by the Canaanites and others as Baal.

I would add that is is very confusing because early post 300 AD and Medieval writers tending to blend the two together into one. The Beast and Lucifer are two separate beings that go to the lake of fire at two separate times over 1,000 years apart

While I will agree that there are fallen angels in the bottomless pit, I don't think the beast is a fallen angel because of the wording in Revelation 17:8a - was, and is not. Angels do not die. The beast has to be some creature that has experienced dying.

Think about who talked to Eve. That specific creature. Which we don't know a lot about. He was called a beast in Genesis 3.

 

[_Dave_]

Hello All
Another simple question. So where does Scripture say the Beast is now?

The Doctrine of Imminence basically implies that there must always have been, and there is now, a man waiting "in the wings" so to speak, ready to take on the duties of the antichrist when the Day of the Lord begins.

IOW, since no man, not even Christ himself, knows the day or the hour of the beginning of the end times, there must always have been an antichrist walking the earth. If the Tribulation didn't begin in his lifetime, as is true for almost 2,000 years, then he dies, and another in the next generation takes his place ... until the one in whose lifetime the end times begins becomes the actual, true antichrist.

Bear in mind this only works for those who believe the antichrist is a real person who eventually becomes indwelled by Satan and not some allegorical, mythical construct.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hello All

Another simple question. So where does Scripture say the Beast is now?

Matthew, Luke and Acts gives us an idea who the beast could be in the 1st century....it works in cahoots with the Devil......

Dan 7:
11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.
20 “and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.

25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand.
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Mat 23:34
“Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes:
some of them you will kill and crucify,
and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues
and persecute from city to city

Luk 11:49
“Therefore the wisdom of God also said,
‘I will send them prophets and apostles,
and some of them they will kill and persecute,'
Luk 21:12
“But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you,
delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons.
You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake.

Act 7:52
“Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute?
And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One,
of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers,

Mat 23:33
'Serpents! brood of vipers!
how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?

 

[Douggg]

The Doctrine of Imminence basically implies that there must always have been, and there is now, a man waiting "in the wings" so to speak, ready to take on the duties of the antichrist when the Day of the Lord begins.

IOW, since no man, not even Christ himself, knows the day or the hour of the beginning of the end times, there must always have been an antichrist walking the earth. If the Tribulation didn't begin in his lifetime, as is true for almost 2,000 years, then he dies, and another in the next generation takes his place ... until the one in whose lifetime the end times begins becomes the actual, true antichrist.

Bear in mind this only works for those who believe the antichrist is a real person who eventually becomes indwelled by Satan and not some allegorical, mythical construct.

The prophecies concerning the person who becomes the Antichrist can only be in an age when transportation and knowledge and increased. Time of the end. Daniel 12:4-7.

It is one specific person in history. Israel has to be a nation again. And Jerusalem in the hands fo the Jews again.

Not knowing the Day nor Hour applies to the rapture. But since the rapture has not happened yet, it is also end times.