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The American Revolution and the The Black Robed Regiment

It is time for You to act, O Lord,
For they have regarded Your law as void.
-Psalm 119.126


The American revolution occurred in a religious atmosphere...historical truth that religion was a fundamental cause of the American Revolution.”
-Carl Bridenbaugh historian


The righteous rebellion began in the churches before the streets of Boston...in 1776 mixing religion and politics was a common as drinking smuggled tea. The colonial clergy created the religious climate that made it possible for an American revolution to take place.”
-James Adams author journalist


The Bible and minsters, more than anything else, inspired patriotism to the revolution. In the great book by James P Byrd Sacred Scripture Sacred war the bible and the American Revolution Oxford u Press 2013, the author looks at 17,000 biblical citations, and over 500 sources from the colonies to find what was the major motivator for patriots in the revolution, the Bible was hands down the top motivator. The clergy had the most impact on how Americans viewed the war.

The bible was accepted as the ultimate authority on economics and politics no less than on religion and morals.”
-Historian Christopher hill


As Byrd said “preachers turned their pulpits into weapons” igniting rebellion in the colonies to British tyrannical governmental policies. Pastors most often sited examples such as David, Deborah and Jael and the curse of Meroz in Judges 4-5, Moses and Exodus 14-15, Dut 32, 1 kings 12, 2 Sam 10.12, Jer 48.10 and many others as justification for the revolution. Further

Rehoboam justified rebellion against a king....if any government violated the precepts of god and liberty, the people were obliged to rebel.”
-James P Byrd
Sacred Scripture Sacred war the bible and the American Revolution Oxford u Press 2013

God ordained government as the family and church, why than would he tell Christians to stay out of government? The pastors in America understood that tyranny at any level, left unchecked, would grow to tyranny against the church, and finally the gospel [we are seeing this in America today]. If the state is elevated above the family and church, it will in time wipe out those opposing god ordained institutions. That is why centralized government always attack the family and the church. It should not be allowed outside its biblical guidelines. If the state becomes the authority instead of the bible on what the state can do, than because there is no higher authority, than the government thinks itself god. There is nothing it cannot touch. It can take away any right from anyone. It thinks it must not just solve all the ills in the country, it must control all modes of behavior and set its own standards. It will regulate the lives to conform to its own image that is beneficial to itself, resulting in more power to itself. People became servants of the state rather than the government servants of its citizens. That is also why when government grows, people become less christian. When liberty grows, people become more christian. See

Government vs. God? People are less religious when government is bigger, research says

It was the clergy who made the revolution meaningful for most common people.”
-Gordon S Wood The Great Republic history of the American People


Colonist revered the bible...not only as a moral and religious guide but also as an authority on warfare.”
-James P Byrd
Sacred Scripture Sacred war the bible and the American Revolution Oxford u Press 2013

This is in drastic contrast to the founders who's view was Governments are instituted among men to protect those unalienable rights that come from a higher authority than man, that is god. The founders constantly acknowledged that biblical higher power that they were accountable to. Man was not the ultimate authority in fact all men were created equal. This philosophy that reorganizes a creator, produces a limited government. Government is not the ultimate authority but is to protect all citizens god given liberty as described in the bible. It also believes that man should alter and abolish a government that is destructive to those rights of the people.

Pastors were the leaders of the revolution”
-David Barton The American Heritage Series


Not only were minsters responsible for this kind of political speech, but they were leaders in it.”
-James P Byrd
Sacred Scripture Sacred war the bible and the American Revolution Oxford u Press 2013

England sent her armies to compel submission, and the colonists appealed to haven.”
-John Thornton historian 1860


The black robed regiment was what the British during the American revolution called pastors who would lead their congregations out on the field of battle in their black robes. The British blamed the revolution on the pastors in America and treated them worse when captured compared to a regular soldier. They were blamed for leading the recruiting, and igniting the war. Churches were targeted and burned across America or converted into horse stables. When the British landed in NYC of the 19 churches 10 were burned and 9 were desecrated. King George said of the revolution “This is nothing more than a Presbyterian rebellion.” A British major said to colonial prisoners “It is your...damned religion of this country that ruined this country....damn your religion.”

3 when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, 4 then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’
-Ezekiel 33 3-6


The bible was read not just as a salvation only or a “spiritual” book, but as a practical book that was the model for all aspects of life, education, law, morality, politics, culture etc The pastors of early America saw themselves as shepherds of gods people and the watchmen of their flock in Ezekiel 33. When they saw an evil coming contrary to the bible, no mater from what sector, they sounded the alarm. Like Jesus and his disciples, they spoke against the evils of their day and applied proper biblical thinking, regardless if it was categorized as “political.” Think of the old testament period. Imagine Israel had a leader who preached the tolerance of homosexuality, God would respond by sending a prophet to speak Gods truth. Everything in the declaration of Independence such as all men created equal, the consent of the governed etc was already preached widely by pastors before 1776 for proper biblical government.

The written constitution was the child of the pulpit.”
-Alice Baldwin the new England clergy and the American revolution


Likewise what the British were doing such as taxation without representation and the stamp act were shown to be forms of tyranny in the bible. These were the topics of many sermons in America that incited people towards the revolution. The reverend John Wise who preached these sermons was credited with the ideas that formed the declaration of independence. When John Adams was asked who was most responsible for the revolution he named the Rev Samuel Cooper, the rev John Mayhew, the Rev George Witfeild, and the Rev Charles Chauncy.

The preachers of the revolution did not hesitate to attack the great political and social evils of their day.”
-Frank Moore historian 1862


Ministers led the fight for both religious and civil liberties.”
-Stephen McDowell The Bible America's Source of law and Liberty Providence Foundation 2016

In Paul Reverse famous ride he rode to the home of the rev Jonas Clark to warn the British were coming. The reason being Clark was the most important political figure in the area in Lexington and Sam Adams and John Hancock were at his house as they often were. Clark helped write the resolution for Massachusetts to separate from britian and also his state constitution. When word came that the British were coming Adams and Hancock asked Clark are your men ready? He answered “ I trained them for this very hour.” The alarm bells rang, the bells were from Clarks church where he was pastor to worn the people and to assembled outside the church. 150 people gathered at the church all men from his congregation and they go off to resits the British. Clark tells his men to let the British firs first because God would not bless an offensive war but you can defend yourself.

Other pastors like John Muhlenburg of Virginia helped raise units and eventually earned the rank of major general. While pasturing his church Muhlenburg gave his last sermon by reading from Ecclesiastes 3declaring there is a time for peace, but that time is know gone, know is a time for war. He took off his robes and underneath he was wearing his military uniform with his pistols, he asked his congregation, who will come with me? 300 of his congregation joined him. His brother Frederick was also a pastor and while pastor served as Americas first speaker of the house of representatives. Pastor James Calwdell would fight during the week and than give sermons on sundays fully armed with two pistols daring anyone to take them from him while giving the sermon. Once a battle happened outside his church and him and his congregation were running out of wadding so he ran into the church grabbed the hymnals by Isaac Watts, and yelled “give them watts.”

No class of men contributed more to carry forward the revolution and to achieve our independence than did the ministers.”
-B.F Morris historian 1864


Preachers were the staunchest defenders of the cause of America.”
-James P Byrd
Sacred Scripture Sacred war the bible and the American Revolution Oxford u Press 2013

Not context.
 
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There are more examples I’m sure other posters will bring up. However, it is abundantly clear that when God’s Law is in tension with the wicked laws of mankind we are not to obey wickedness.

The wicked, pagan, heathen nations and peoples all would want the devil's way to prevail (to win) OVER God's Way.
They live in darkness, and when the LIGHT (JESUS) CAME into the world, they hated Jesus (and rejected Him, and still rejected Him, and reject His people) .

His TORAH, His Law, His Instructions (below in part) let us know that those who pervert His Word, those who live in perversion, will be punished instead of being saved.
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" Deuteronomy 4 New International Version (NIV)
"Obedience Commanded

"4 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

"3 You saw with your own eyes what the Lord did at Baal Peor. The Lord your God destroyed from among you everyone who followed the Baal of Peor, 4 but all of you who held fast to the Lord your God are still alive today.

"5 See, I have taught you decrees and laws as the Lord my God commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to take possession of it. 6 Observe them carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, “Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.” 7 What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the Lord our God is near us whenever we pray to him? 8 And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today?

"9 Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the things your eyes have seen or let them fade from your heart as long as you live. Teach them to your children and to their children after them. 10 Remember the day you stood before the Lord your God at Horeb, when he said to me, “Assemble the people before me to hear my words so that they may learn to revere me as long as they live in the land and may teach them to their children.” 11 You came near and stood at the foot of the mountain while it blazed with fire to the very heavens, with black clouds and deep darkness. 12 Then the Lord spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. 13 He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets. 14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
Idolatry Forbidden

"15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the Lord took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are."

note that abominations of the flesh, perversions of the Law and of the flesh, are "idolatry", punishable by death according to all God's Word.

None of man's laws nor anything else ever changes this.
 
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What does that have to do with the subject? Please elaborate.
"have to do with the subject" ? As in avoidance (continual) of the Light because their deeds(lives) are evil. (as written).

As written IN SCRIPTURE: They will call the TRUTH, a lie, and the lie they will publish as truth. Thus those living in perversion quote Scripture like the devil did in the Garden of Eden, to lie and to deceive and to show why they do not (and possibly why they can not) repent of their sin to be forgiven.
 
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This is in drastic contrast to the founders who's view was Governments are instituted among men to protect those unalienable rights that come from a higher authority than man, that is god. The founders constantly acknowledged that biblical higher power that they were accountable to. Man was not the ultimate authority in fact all men were created equal. This philosophy that reorganizes a creator, produces a limited government. Government is not the ultimate authority but is to protect all citizens god given liberty as described in the bible. It also believes that man should alter and abolish a government that is destructive to those rights of the people.

I think this highlights where some go wrong in getting true authority mixed up with imposters. Many think of local, state, and federal governments with all their myriad officers as being the authority spoken of in Romans. However, we must back up a bit to the Constitution as the ultimate civil authority. So, when the "government" has usurped that standard we, as Americans, are under no obligation to obey.
 
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So the king was so impressed with this that he ordered all the kingdom to become Christians, and those who did not were cut up into chunks.

So if they HAD done as asked, thousands of lives would have been saved. Perhaps some of the people cut into chunky pieces would have converted?

So these three, who disobeyed government, resulted in 1000's of deaths of pagans, atheists, all other religions, and any that were not sure. I read these three got promoted!

We all have family members who are not believers. They'd all be "lion food sent to the zoo" in this story. Bony chunks of meat.

29 Therefore I make a decree, that every people, nation, and language, which speak anything amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill; because there is no other god that is able to deliver after this sort.

30 Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego in the province of Babylon.
What about the Angel of the Lord commanding Mary and Joseph to hide their child from Herod?
 
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What about the Angel of the Lord commanding Mary and Joseph to hide their child from Herod?
Yes and don’t forget how Moses’ parents disobeyed Pharoah. And the midwives who would not obey Pharoah. God blessed them for not following murderous orders.
 
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Yes and don’t forget how Moses’ parents disobeyed Pharoah. And the midwives who would not obey Pharoah. God blessed them for not following murderous orders.

Those who committed perverse sex, thievery, idolatry, WITH THE GOVERNMENT and/or with "legality" and/or with "permission" of religious leaders or parents even , were PUNISHED, and suffer God's Judgment as written. Those who simply "went along" quietly, allowing perversion, also received the same punishment as those who sinned.
 
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Yes and don’t forget how Moses’ parents disobeyed Pharoah. And the midwives who would not obey Pharoah. God blessed them for not following murderous orders.
The Angel's command resulted in the king slaughtering every two-year-old and under in Bethlehem. There are so many righteous examples of defying authority in honor of God.
 
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Here’s the Scripture on the matter:

Romans 13: NASB
1Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.5Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. 6For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor. (NASB)

Some would argue we are to obey government and its laws even if they are in opposition to God’s laws and His Righteousness. The following verses in Romans 13 refutes this specious claim:

8Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 10Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

11Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. 12The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.14But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts. (NASB)

So we see Paul teach to obey government and her laws yet in the following verses see God’s laws mentioned and how we are to keep them, above all love our neighbors as ourselves.

We already know the men and woman of faith throughout Scriptures resisted government and local authorities when wicked laws were enacted. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego disobeyed a clear idolatrous directive:

Daniel 3: NASB
8For this reason at that time certain Chaldeans came forward and brought charges against the Jews. 9They responded and said to Nebuchadnezzar the king: “O king, live forever! 10“You, O king, have made a decree that every man who hears the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery, and bagpipe and all kinds of music, is to fall down and worship the golden image. 11“But whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast into the midst of a furnace of blazing fire. 12“There are certain Jews whom you have appointed over the administration of the province of Babylon, namely Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego. These men, O king, have disregarded you; they do not serve your gods or worship the golden image which you have set up.”

13Then Nebuchadnezzar in rage and anger gave orders to bring Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego; then these men were brought before the king.14Nebuchadnezzar responded and said to them, “Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the golden image that I have set up? 15“Now if you are ready, at the moment you hear the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery and bagpipe and all kinds of music, to fall down and worship the image that I have made, very well. But if you do not worship, you will immediately be cast into the midst of a furnace of blazing fire; and what god is there who can deliver you out of my hands?”

16Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego replied to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to give you an answer concerning this matter. 17“If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the furnace of blazing fire; and He will deliver us out of your hand, O king. 18“But even if He does not, let it be known to you, O king, that we are not going to serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up.” (NASB)

And Peter and John after being ordered by the religious authorities to not preach Christ tell them that is it right to heed them or God:

Acts 4: NASB
13Now as they observed the confidence of Peter and John and understood that they were uneducated and untrained men, they were amazed, and began to recognize them as having been with Jesus. 14And seeing the man who had been healed standing with them, they had nothing to say in reply. 15But when they had ordered them to leave the Council, they began to confer with one another, 16saying, “What shall we do with these men? For the fact that a noteworthy miracle has taken place through them is apparent to all who live in Jerusalem, and we cannot deny it.17“But so that it will not spread any further among the people, let us warn them to speak no longer to any man in this name.” 18And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. 19But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge; 20for we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard.” (NASB)

There are more examples I’m sure other posters will bring up. However, it is abundantly clear that when God’s Law is in tension with the wicked laws of mankind we are not to obey wickedness.

Yes, we are to obey the laws of the land because these government authorities are placed into power by God (Romans 13), but if those laws conflict with God's commands, then we are to obey God rather than men.

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men." (Acts of the Apostles 5:29).​

Currently, they are trying to pass laws so that nobody in the state of Texas can practice biblical teachings outside an actual church building.

Texas Bills Threaten to Strip 'Texans’ Right to Practice Biblical Teachings'

If that were to happen, a Christian should obviously resist that kind of law. But the Christian should be as wise as serpents and innocent as doves by doing so, though. The Christian should not make it so obvious. They should be more covert about it. In other words, if this were to happen, the church would simply go underground. In China, the church is forced to go underground (it has to remain hidden) otherwise their own government will destroy them.

Side Note:

But I think it needs to be stressed that we should obey those laws of the land that do not conflict with God's Word. So things like traffic laws, etc. that is loving towards our neighbor is something that is good and should be obeyed. For if we resist the laws (like these) then we are in resistance against God and not man. For God did establish into power governing authorities. We are to obey those who are above us (as long as it does not conflict with our orders in following Jesus).
 
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Currently, they are trying to pass laws so that nobody in the state of Texas can practice biblical teachings outside an actual church building.

Smoking outside, praying inside... GOT IT!. Thanks heavens the proper examples are being set for the public.
 
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Smoking outside, praying inside... GOT IT!. Thanks heavens the proper examples are being set for the public.

Well, I never said anything about smoking. In fact, I am against smoking because it destroys the body or the temple of God. 1 Corinthians 3 says if you defile the temple, God will destroy you. So I fail to see how you think I condone smoking.

If your reference was to churches in general and not me specifically:

Well, this is true. In the state I grew up in, I have seen some smoke outside the church before. This is wrong of course. But your comment implies that all are like that (Which is not true). While I think house fellowship is the proper way to have fellowship and not in a big church building, I believe God can in some instances use them for His greater plan for good (despite it being an unbiblical form of fellowship).
 
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Well, I never said anything about smoking. In fact, I am against smoking because it destroys the body or the temple of God. 1 Corinthians 3 says if you defile the temple, God will destroy you. So I fail to see how you think I condone smoking.

Never said you did.
 
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Never said you did.

I just caught what you meant after reading it a few more times. I updated my post. Please refresh the page to see the changes in post #77.

Side Note:

Oh, and I would appreciate it if you were a little more clear in what you are trying to say instead of me trying to guess or draw the wrong conclusion.

Again, I would appreciate it.

May God bless you.
 
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What chapters and verse? please cite. It is clear you look online and copy paste what comes first that you like. Not that you study the issue or the bible and declare what it says. This is why you cannot respond to my refutations of your first half dozen arguments so you just send more. I am to busy to keep refuting everything you post. If you actually believe your position defend your original arguments [those you said were your best] on why you hold your position. Or start new, pick your best 5 and let have a look.

1 Peter 2

Submission to Authority




4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”

7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”[c]

8 and,

“A stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”[d]

They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Living Godly Lives in a Pagan Society
11 Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. 12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority:whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.

15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God,honor the emperor.

18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.
21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.


22 “He committed no sin,
and no deceit was found in his mouth.”[e]

23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” 25 For “you were like sheep going astray,”[f] but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.


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