On demand abortion is murder

[SkyWriting]

So are you using that Scripture to say yes it means that it was possibly not sinful for those who participated in the Holocaust since they followed local law and you can not say what law was on their hearts? That the law on their hearts permitted it.

Just measuring how far this relativism goes.

Much farther than you can even think.
I am not qualified to judge the deeds and sins of others.

1 Samuel 16
7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”


But you already know this. I can pay for and build a church for others
and the odds of you believing I did this without selfish motives hover
around zero. So you already know you are incapable of judging
good motives. But you think you know evil when you see it.

 

[Davidnic]

So you won't go as far as the false logic and misused Scripture lead you and give a yes or no to...Does that mean that it was possibly not sinful for those who participated in the Holocaust since they followed local law and you can not say what law was on their hearts.

If you can't say for others and each truth is personal then attempted genocide by human law is possibly not a sin.

 

[SkyWriting]

You have those out of context and misinterpreted . They are about culpability not objective sinfulness. So you are a pure relativist then. Is there any objectively evil act?

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Evil is limited to when someone goes against the law written in their heart.
For believers.

 

[Davidnic]

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Evil is limited to when someone goes against the law written in their heart.

Which you say varies from person to person with no objective right and wrong.

 

[SkyWriting]

Acts 5:29 - "But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must OBEY GOD rather than men".
Christians are to obey the human laws & except where they violate God's Law. As Peter & the apostles tell us GOD's Law is Supreme & holds precedence over human laws.

That one verse looks like it goes against the other dozen,
until you read who the council is and the head of the council
being addressed. I can't judge Peter and his standing on law.

The lesson is regarding who should be allowed to run government.

 

[Davidnic]

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Evil is limited to when someone goes against the law written in their heart.
For believers.

You should look deeper into that verse. "For him" is not relative but imputed.

 

[Davidnic]

Still need a yes or no...just so people can see the dangers of what this misunderstanding of Scripture can justify

So you won't go as far as the false logic and misused Scripture lead you and give a yes or no to...Does that mean that it was possibly not sinful for those who participated in the Holocaust since they followed local law and you can not say what law was on their hearts.

If you can't say for others and each truth is personal then attempted genocide by human law is possibly not a sin.

 

[dogs4thewin]

We are people at conception ,psalm51:5
Jeremiah was know by God before he was born,jer1:5

This is a secular society. I do not remember saying that I would have an abortion, pay for a woman's abortion ( if asked directly) or even support her decision if she asked what I thought. As it stands abortion is a secular matter addressed in secular law.

 

[Pedra]

Jesus said his sin was "less" becasue he was given his authority direct from God.

You have spoken heresies all through this thread and now you blaspheme the Lord Jesus. Jesus had no sin and even Pontius Pilate knew Jesus was innocent.

…1Peter 2:22 "22 HE Committed NO SIN, And No Deceit Was Found In HIS Mouth."

1Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the JUST for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

1Peter 1:15 "14 As obedient children, do not conform to the passions of your former ignorance. 15 But just as HE WHO CALLED you is HOLY , so be holy in all you do, 16 for it is written: "Be holy, because I am Holy. "

 

[dogs4thewin]

Please see the OP. We are not speaking of situations which the mother's life is in danger.

I did not say we were. I said that if the mother were to die during the first trimester ( no matter the cause of death or whether there was a chance she could be saved a baby is not viable at that point. I am not saying if her life is in danger I am referring to a case where for whatever reason she is already deceased or even if she is not a baby is not viable in the first trimester therefore it really does not matter if her life is danger and she is saved or if she is found deceased it still would not matter because the baby would not live outside the mother one way or another. Whereas, much past the first trimester If something were to happen to the mother the baby may or may not still have a shot to live with the medical advancments we have now,

 

[Pedra]

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Evil is limited to when someone goes against the law written in their heart.
For believers.

That is just you twisting the scripture's meaning once again & promoting a False Teachings. The Bible teaches that Jesus says, John 14: 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

 

[SkyWriting]

That is just you twisting the scripture's meaning once again & promoting a False Teachings. The Bible teaches that Jesus says, John 14: 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

Yes, and one of the greatest of those is to treat other people as you would want to be treated yourself. And this is entirely up to the individual.

 

[SkyWriting]

You have spoken heresies all through this thread and now you blaspheme the Lord Jesus. Jesus had no sin and even Pontius Pilate knew Jesus was innocent.

…1Peter 2:22 "22 HE Committed NO SIN, And No Deceit Was Found In HIS Mouth."

1Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the JUST for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

1Peter 1:15 "14 As obedient children, do not conform to the passions of your former ignorance. 15 But just as HE WHO CALLED you is HOLY , so be holy in all you do, 16 for it is written: "Be holy, because I am Holy. "

Sorry...my sentence construction error.

Jesus said that Pilates sin was less than those who turned Jesus over to Pilate.
This was likely becasue Pilate was at least following the law, the Fathers will, prophesy, and honest about it, but Judas Iscariot was guilty of deception.

And you are correct. Claiming God's will works though government is indeed heresy. But that's how I read it:

Matthew 26
52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

55 In that hour Jesus said to the crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56 But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

Jesus explains that government action is the will of His Father.





John 19
11 Jesus answered him, “You (Pilate) would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

Jesus is saying Pilate has authority over Jesus by way of The Father.

 

[Sojourner1]

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Evil is limited to when someone goes against the law written in their heart.
For believers.

I read through the thread, so I may have missed it, but how would you define sin? How does someone know what is the right thing to do? Are there any clear-cut sins that apply to all people?

 

[SkyWriting]

I did not say we were. I said that if the mother were to die during the first trimester ( no matter the cause of death or whether there was a chance she could be saved a baby is not viable at that point. I am not saying if her life is in danger I am referring to a case where for whatever reason she is already deceased or even if she is not a baby is not viable in the first trimester therefore it really does not matter if her life is danger and she is saved or if she is found deceased it still would not matter because the baby would not live outside the mother one way or another. Whereas, much past the first trimester If something were to happen to the mother the baby may or may not still have a shot to live with the medical advancments we have now,

And with medical advancements, babies at any stage of development might be saved. All that is needed then is for Pro-Life supporters to foot the bill and save lives.

 

[SkyWriting]

I read through the thread, so I may have missed it, but how would you define sin? How does someone know what is the right thing to do? Are there any clear-cut sins that apply to all people?

This defines Sin:

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Yes. Rejecting the Holy Spirit is the one unpardonable sin, becasue it forms a barrier that keeps a person from accepting forgiveness. We can't pray for the forgiveness of that sin one leads to death.

 

[Sojourner1]

This defines Sin:

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

So my follow-up questions would be: How does someone know what is the right thing to do? Are there any clear-cut sins that apply to all people? Does God write different laws on different hearts?

 

[dogs4thewin]

And with medical advancements, babies at any stage of development might be saved. All that is needed then is for Pro-Life supporters to foot the bill and save lives.

now? I am not sure.

 

[Pedra]

Yes, and one of the greatest of those is to treat other people as you would want to be treated yourself. And this is entirely up to the individual.

No you continue to promote false teachings that are the opposite of what Jesus & His disciples taught. Funny that a so called christian forum allows the posting of deceitful falsehoods that twist scripture, and reprimands those that call them out on it. Not good fruit.

 

[SkyWriting]

now? I am not sure.

At this time, babies and mother are inseparable for months, which leads to the moral dilemma of two lives in one body. In the future, Pro-Life advocates may collect any unwanted pregnancy to raise as their own.