On demand abortion is murder

Is on demand abortion murder?

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  • No

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redleghunter

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I am unable to judge sin in the lives of other people. I am not qualified:
You do believe that God can and will judge? And if so then should know He does this based on His Holiness which is communicated in His law. Which Paul says exposes each one of us as sinners before a Holy God.

So how can you say there is no Law when the Law condemns us and reveals we need a Savior in Christ?
 
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So it was God's will that someone hand over Jews during the Holocaust?

What happens when God's law conflicts with local law?

So Pilate is not sinning when he condemns Christ to the cross?

Jesus said his sin was "less" becasue he was given his authority direct from God.
 
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You do believe that God can and will judge? And if so then should know He does this based on His Holiness which is communicated in His law. Which Paul says exposes each one of us as sinners before a Holy God. So how can you say there is no Law when the Law condemns us and reveals we need a Savior in Christ?

I try to let scripture speak for me:

1 Samuel 16
7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

Proverbs 21
1 The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.

Jeremiah 17
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? “I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”

(What man can judge? No man can see sin in others. Only God can see sin.)

Psalms 44
21 Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.


Romans 8
3 For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

Galatians 3
21 Is the Law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Not at all! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the Law.

Hebrews 7
11 Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (upon which basis the people received the Law), why was there still need for another priest to appear--one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron?
 
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I try to let scripture speak for me:

Romans 8
3 For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

Galatians 3
21 Is the Law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Not at all! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the Law.

Hebrews 7
11 Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (upon which basis the people received the Law), why was there still need for another priest to appear--one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron?
Yes the Law will not save us. But it does condemn us. That is why God in His Mercy gave us His Son Jesus as Savior.

25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.
 
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Fortunately the laws of God are written on our heart, and that is where we are judged. The laws of God are not in ink or on stone. So instead of you deciding, she gets to decide what is right, in her heart.

You are wrong about this. "God's law is written in our hearts." That's right, line by line. And one of those lines is "Thou shalt not have an abortion."
 
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Your argument is the woman, if her life was at risk, should sacrifice her life and if she doesn't she should be punished by death.... have I understood you correctly?

No. Simply if a woman is pregnant and having complications near birth I don't necessarily see it just that the baby should be sacrificed to save her. I would assume a selfless act would be the woman die for her child.
 
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You position then is God’s moral law is no longer valid?

God only had moral law written in ink and stone during the first covenant.

Yes the Law will not save us. But it does condemn us.
Really? Are you a jew?

Romans 8
2 For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the righteous standard of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
 
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You are wrong about this. "God's law is written in our hearts." That's right, line by line. And one of those lines is "Thou shalt not have an abortion."

I agree with your decision. I don't get to make it for you in any way, in the slightest.
I am completely powerless over your decision and the law written in your heart.
 
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No. Simply if a woman is pregnant and having complications near birth I don't necessarily see it just that the baby should be sacrificed to save her. I would assume a selfless act would be the woman die for her child.
I am completely powerless over your decision and the law written in your heart.
 
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I agree with your decision. I don't get to make it for you in any way, in the slightest.
I am completely powerless over your decision and the law written in your heart.

The law does not change from heart to heart. It is not individual from person to person. Is what is sinful for one not sinful for another?
 
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God LAW is written in our hearts. God's WILL is the authority given to local government.
I don't write this stuff.

John 19
11 Jesus answered him,
“You would have no
authority over me at all (Authority over Jesus?!)
unless it had been
given you from above.
Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
Here he is saying that Man sinned in his heart rejecting Christ
but Pilate is following God's will with due process and not sinning, so much.
Without following due process, Jesus would not have been crucified.
It odd that nobody sees how important this is to follow government.

Oh well. I am not officially God's Helper. Just a spokesperson I guess.

Acts 5:29 - "But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must OBEY GOD rather than men".
Christians are to obey the human laws & except where they violate God's Law. As Peter & the apostles tell us GOD's Law is Supreme & holds precedence over human laws.
 
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The law does not change from heart to heart. It is not individual from person to person. Is what is sinful for one not sinful for another?

You got it now. Thanks!

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

1 John 5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.
And his commandments are not burdensome. (We don't have to ask forum posters what is sin for us all day long)
 
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You got it now. Thanks!

James 4
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

1 John 5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.
And his commandments are not burdensome. (We don't have to ask forum posters what is sin for us all day long)

You have those out of context and misinterpreted . They are about culpability not objective sinfulness. So you are a pure relativist then. Is there any objectively evil act?
 
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Does that mean that it was possibly not sinful for those who participated in the Holocaust since they followed local law and you can not say what law was on their hearts.

You have the example of Jesus the jew being crucified. Are the larger numbers in your example intended to sway the argument? You have scripture to work from.
I know, by using scripture, the point is lost.

John 19
11 Jesus answered him (Pilate), “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”






 
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You have the example of Jesus the jew being crucified. Are the larger numbers in your example intended to sway the argument? You have scripture to work from.
I know, by using scripture, the point is lost.

John 19
11 Jesus answered him (Pilate), “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

So are you using that Scripture to say yes it means that it was possibly not sinful for those who participated in the Holocaust since they followed local law and you can not say what law was on their hearts? That the law on their hearts permitted it.

Just measuring how far this relativism goes.
 
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You have those out of context and misinterpreted . They are about culpability not objective sinfulness. So you are a pure relativist then. Is there any objectively evil act?

Moses killed a man and hid his body in the sand when no one was looking.
Go figure.

Exodus 2:11
One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to his own people and observed their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people.

Exodus 2:12
After looking all around and seeing no one, he struck down the Egyptian and hid his body in the sand.
 
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