On demand abortion is murder

[Davidnic]

Local law is God's will on earth. People have to follow their heart first in the face of changing local law.

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.

Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11

So you said it was law without exception and to disobey was sinning. So they sinned. By not worshipping idols they sinned. Or are you already modifying what you said you agreed to? Or is Gods law above mans and mans not always in harmony with Gods?

 

[RaymondG]

RaymondG that is knit picking. There is science and science so falsely called. Nothing wrong with science. Science does say life starts at seamen. So abortion is scientifically wrong.

I have no issue with science....I just think it unwise for those who do have issue with science to then use science as a support when they think it agrees with them. Science is truth or it isnt...... cant say they dont know what they are talking about in one thread, and use them to support biblical interpretations in another......Actually you can, but I think the point is made.

 

[SkyWriting]

I trust everyone here now sees the disintegration of the error that all local is Gods law without exception and to disobey is sinning. And that any claim that Scripture backs it is contradicted by the events of the Gospels and Acts as well as the logical application of morality as Christianity generally teaches it.

We can all agree these passages are worthless:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2

Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1

John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 8:15


Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11

 

[SkyWriting]

So you said it was law without exception and to disobey was sinning. So they sinned. By not worshipping idols they sinned. Or are you already modifying what you said you agreed to?

Without sin we would need no forgiveness. Even the heart
that God uses to determine what is sin, works to deceive us.

 

[Davidnic]

We can all agree these passages are worthless:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2

Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1

John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 8:15


Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11

Not at all, just your view of them is wrong and actually at odds with how they have been interpreted for thousands of years. Christianity has never taught that we obey local law at the expense of God. Just that we can choose to suffer even death for breaking the law to keep Gods. The Apostles died for breaking man's law to keep God's.

 

[RaymondG]

I don't comment on that since I don't have the knowledge.
What argument do you have to kill the unborn? Nothing

So when you feel cornered, you throw out accusation? If you dont have the knowledge to reason together, you dont have to throw stones and run.....it is ok to just bow out of the conversation.

You cant comment because you dont have the knowledge, you say.....I respect that....have a good day.

 

[redleghunter]

Thank you for avoiding all my questions. I will keep it up.

Please keep to the OP.

 

[Davidnic]

Without sin we would need no forgiveness. Even the heart
that God uses to determine what is sin, works to deceive us.

So you are saying they sinned by not bowing to idols?

 

[SkyWriting]

So you said it was law without exception and to disobey was sinning. So they sinned. By not worshipping idols they sinned. Or are you already modifying what you said you agreed to? Or is Gods law above mans and mans not always in harmony with Gods?

Man is not qualified to judge the sin of others.
God sees the heart instead.

 

[redleghunter]

During the first trimester if something were to happen to the mother an accident, she being murdered falling dead from a heart attack whatever the case happened to be there is no way that baby could be saved. Much later, than that however and with medical advancements and help the baby would have a shot.

Please see the OP. We are not speaking of situations which the mother's life is in danger.

 

[Not David]

So when you feel cornered, you throw out accusation? If you dont have the knowledge to reason together, you dont have to throw stones and run.....it is ok to just bow out of the conversation.

You cant comment because you dont have the knowledge, you say.....I respect that....have a good day.

I don't know about Evolution, but I know about my Pro-Life arguments.
If you have something to say do it!

 

[SkyWriting]

Please keep to the OP.

Murder is a legal definition worthy of consulting the law.
God's morality is local law.

Romans 13:1-10

 

[ProjectExodus]

We can all agree these passages are worthless:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2

Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1

John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 8:15

Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11

authority

You misrepresent what God means to be subject to an authority. we are subject by being a citizen. If they come to punish us, even if innocent, we are to be subject to them. It does not mean do and follow everything they say. You quoted Daniel, but Daniel refused to bow.

 

[Davidnic]

Man is not qualified to judge the sin of others.
God sees the heart instead.

But you said to disobey local law, which was Gods without exception was a sin. Walking that back now?

To justify that abortion is not murder the position has been taken that all human laws are God's and to disobey them is sin.

I think many can see how needing to take that position to justify it, shows what is necessary in order to allow the practice.

 

[Not David]

So when you feel cornered, you throw out accusation? If you dont have the knowledge to reason together, you dont have to throw stones and run.....it is ok to just bow out of the conversation.

You cant comment because you dont have the knowledge, you say.....I respect that....have a good day.

I also remember talking to you and you refused to say Jesus was full human since conception so don't come here playing "gotcha" game.

 

[redleghunter]

Romans 13:1-7
For government is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God's servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong

Abortion is for good? What happens when government acts wickedly are we to obey?

Daniel 3: NASB
8For this reason at that time certain Chaldeans came forward and brought charges against the Jews. 9They responded and said to Nebuchadnezzar the king: “O king, live forever! 10“You, O king, have made a decree that every man who hears the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery, and bagpipe and all kinds of music, is to fall down and worship the golden image. 11“But whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast into the midst of a furnace of blazing fire. 12“There are certain Jews whom you have appointed over the administration of the province of Babylon, namely Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego. These men, O king, have disregarded you; they do not serve your gods or worship the golden image which you have set up.”

13Then Nebuchadnezzar in rage and anger gave orders to bring Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego; then these men were brought before the king.14Nebuchadnezzar responded and said to them, “Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the golden image that I have set up? 15“Now if you are ready, at the moment you hear the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery and bagpipe and all kinds of music, to fall down and worship the image that I have made, very well. But if you do not worship, you will immediately be cast into the midst of a furnace of blazing fire; and what god is there who can deliver you out of my hands?”

16Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego replied to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to give you an answer concerning this matter. 17“If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the furnace of blazing fire; and He will deliver us out of your hand, O king. 18“But even if He does not, let it be known to you, O king, that we are not going to serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up.”

 

[RaymondG]

Why ever would you ask that? it seems to be introducing a red herring imo in order to paint an ugly characterization upon those on the Right to Life side of the abortion issue ,that they have the dastardly hidden agenda that they would promote capital punishment upon women who have abortions - which is a ridiculous & fallacious accusation.

So why call them murderers if you do not feel that they deserve a murderers reward?

And asking a question and making an accusation are not one in the same. Your post is accusatory, mine asks a simple question without assumptions.

 

[Davidnic]

God's morality is local law.

Does that include you are not allowed to hide Jews and must hand them over to local authority? That would be God's Morality? It is a sin to preach Christ where it is illegal...that is God's Morality?

Your position has loads of logical fallacies and misinterprets Scripture.

 

[Not David]

Murder is a legal definition worthy of consulting the law.
God's morality is local law.

Romans 13:1-10

So you believe non-whites were not person s at one time?

 

[RaymondG]

I also remember talking to you and you refused to say Jesus was full human since conception so don't come here playing "gotcha" game.

Then you would also remember me telling you this:

I see no fault in anything you say or believe.....