Through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all-Original Sin

[redleghunter]

Yes all have sinned but that isn't the topic. Are babies born with Adam's sin? Is sin passed from parent to child?

Lets break it down.

17For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.(NASB)

Adam’s transgression brings death to all of us. Yes or no?

18So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.19For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. (NASB)

Adam’s one transgression resulted in condemnation for all mankind.

Adam’s disobedience the many were made sinners.

You should look at what is being compared to here.

Condemnation vs Justification

 

[redleghunter]

We all know people eventually sin.

Why if we are all Adams?

But we are different than Adam as we are children of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Unlike Adam we really have no excuse.

I don't believe babies are old enough to be able to sin though.

Their own sins I agree. Yet unfortunately babies die and the penalty of the sin of Adam is death. We all die. We are cutoff from the Tree of Life. We can only be Reconciled by the gift of Grace through Jesus Christ. He is our Tree of Life.

The issue is whether they are born with someone else's sin.

Adam’s sin was disobedience. He was cast out of Paradise, cut off from the Tree of Life and as a result his sin brought death AND condemnation to all. It’s all there in Genesis 3 and Romans 5.

 

[redleghunter]

He explains why:

Romans 5:12 Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned

It doesn't say babies are born with Adam's sin. Adam's sin brought sin into the world, so death is only spread when each person commits their own sin. That is why original sin is unscriptural because it goes against what Paul teaches here.

Again keep reading. You stopped at a parenthetical statement.

 

[ewq1938]

Then why do we all die physically and why do we need the Reconciliation in order to enter eternal life?

We die physically because we are mortal. Sin causes the second death.

 

[ewq1938]

Adam’s transgression brings death to all of us. Yes or no?

No.

Adam’s one transgression resulted in condemnation for all mankind.

Only because we also sin.

"death spread to all men because all men sinned"

 

[redleghunter]

We die physically because we are mortal. Sin causes the second death.

No Paul made sure to link the penalty of Adam’s sin with physical death as well. Note well verse 14 when the parenthetical ends:

Romans 5: NASB
12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

 

[redleghunter]

No.




Only because we also sin.

"death spread to all men because all men sinned"

You can’t get past verse 12.

At this point you are arguing against Paul and not me.

Can you address verses 13-21?

 

[ewq1938]

Again keep reading. You stopped at a parenthetical statement.

The verse I posted is important because it says why death comes to people...and and it shows that death is passed down not sin.

 

[ewq1938]

No Paul made sure to link the penalty of Adam’s sin with physical death as well. Note well verse 14 when the parenthetical ends:

It also says death stopped reigning. When did physical death end?

 

[ewq1938]

Can you address verses 13-21?

None support original sin and it is verse 12 that proves it to be false.

 

[redleghunter]

The verse I posted is important because it says why death comes to people...and and it shows that death is passed down not sin.

And one verse later refutes you:

12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

 

[ewq1938]

And one verse later refutes you:

It doesn't refute me nor what Paul wrote in the verse prior.

 

[redleghunter]

None support original sin and it is verse 12 that proves it to be false.

The entire passage supports original sin. You not addressing verses 13-21 shows you won’t go there for obvious reasons. You are not arguing a point but making an assertion.

 

[redleghunter]

It also says death stopped reigning. When did physical death end?

He means the Resurrection of Christ. Death stopped reigning then with Christ as the first fruits. And one day those in Him will reign with Him be resurrected and be like Him.

I can show you this in 1 Corinthians 15 if you would like. As a matter of fact I did in the OP.

 

[ewq1938]

I can show you this in 1 Corinthians 15 if you would like. As a matter of fact I did in the OP.

I've read that but do not see anything related to children being born with Adam's sins.

 

[redleghunter]

It doesn't refute me nor what Paul wrote in the verse prior.

The one word “Nevertheless” sure does as he points out even though those who did not sin as Adam did still died.

 

[redleghunter]

I've read that but do not see anything related to children being born with Adam's sins.

Of course because Paul says we are all condemned in Adam and we who are in Christ are Justified.

Again, unfortunately, some babies in the womb and born die. Even small children die of horrible diseases due the one man’s disobedience. When these precious ones die they are in the Hands of Christ our Judge. I can think of no better place to be.

 

[~Zao~]

We all know people eventually sin. I don't believe babies are old enough to be able to sin though. The issue is whether they are born with someone else's sin.

Adam's spiritual death begat our spiritual death, physical death is the result of spiritual death.
Romans 5
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man (the first Adam), and death through sin, and in this way death (physical death) came to all men, because all sinned—

Since there’s no denying that people die there should be no denying that we are born spiritually dead because of Adam. And that constitutes a need for rebirth to become a child of God rather than a child of wrath.

 

[Jonaitis]

We die physically because we are mortal. Sin causes the second death.

Here is a question for you:is physical death a consequence of Adam's sin?

If yes, you affirm that Adam's transgression affected us. Will you protest injustice for us suffering on account of another's sin?

If no, then why does it exist?

 

[ewq1938]

The one word “Nevertheless” sure does as he points out even though those who did not sin as Adam did still died.

Yes everyone dies but Paul was speaking of the second death not the first.