President Trump says he's cutting off FEMA money for California fires

[tulc]

President Trump says he's cutting off FEMA money for California fires

President Donald Trump on Wednesday again threatened to cut off federal funds to fight California wildfires, saying the money is being wasted.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money!"

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., responded that Trump's threat "insults the memory of scores of Americans who perished in wildfires last year & thousands more who lost their homes."

Pelosi said House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy, another Californian, "must join me to condemn & call on POTUS to reassure millions in CA that our govt will be there for them in their time of need."

tulc(found this interesting)

 

[The Barbarian]

Trump's plan is simple:
"If you don't let me have my wall, I'm going to hurt innocent people, and it will all be your fault."

 

[EpiscipalMe]

If California were a red state he never would consider cutting off funding. However, he knows he will never get their electoral votes anyway, so he doesn’t care.

 

[DanishLutheran]

If California were a red state he never would consider cutting off funding. However, he knows he will never get their electoral votes anyway, so he doesn’t care.

This is a general trend in politics: Politicians care about those who support them.
That's the reason the democrats want to import millions of illegal immigrants - because they can turn them into clients, in return for even more power.
....but at the same time shut down actual refugees from Cuba, because once those people attained citizenship, they did not tend to vote for democrats.

 

[The Barbarian]

This is a general trend in politics: Politicians care about those who support them.
That's the reason the democrats want to import millions of illegal immigrants - because they can turn them into clients, in return for even more power.
....but at the same time shut down actual refugees from Cuba, because once those people attained citizenship, they did not tend to vote for democrats.

Cubans are starting to follow the trend of other Americans:

The Pew Research Center reported that in 2014, 56 percent of Cubans aged 18 to 49 in the country leaned toward the Democratic Party, while only 39 percent of those 50 years and older supported Democrats.

In contrast, Cubans 50 years and older leaned toward the Republican party by 44 percent, with 23 percent support for Republicans among those 18 to 49.
GOP Wins FL Election as Young Cuban-Americans Vote Democrat

However, the notion that a president is justified in approving disaster aid only for states that voted for him, is yet another demonstration of the continuing corruption of the republican party.

 

[tulc]

This is a general trend in politics: Politicians care about those who support them.
That's the reason the democrats want to import millions of illegal immigrants - because they can turn them into clients, in return for even more power.
....but at the same time shut down actual refugees from Cuba, because once those people attained citizenship, they did not tend to vote for democrats.

About the bolded portion you do remember the Democrat candidate got almost 3,000,000 more votes then President Trump got, right?
tulc(just thought that needed to be pointed out)

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

Trump's plan is simple:
"If you don't let me have my wall, I'm going to hurt innocent people, and it will all be your fault."

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This is from someone who lives in California and breathed in the terrible smoke last year and also has family who battled the fires. Trump is right we are poorly mismanaged. California is fueled by dead trees and dry brush that is not managed at all. This is not our first wild fire season yet California does not at all prepare and does not have better management. We have been reacting to the fires not preparing to prevent them. As the president made valid points on.

The state gets so much funding for this then it's poorly spent and then when accidents happen we don't have the money to solve it except ask for more money. For crying out loud PG&E who started many of the fires last year raised it's rates at the approval of the governor for the last fire and all the lawsuits. Where did the funding for the dam go before it burst? Then the state asked for more money. It's repetitive and disgusting. The president action is understandable but probably not the right timing to tackle this serious problem.

Governor signs bill allowing utilities to increase fees to pay for fire settlements

 

[DanishLutheran]

About the bolded portion you do remember the Democrat candidate got almost 3,000,000 more votes then President Trump got, right?
tulc(just thought that needed to be pointed out)

Thank you for proving my point How many of those voters were either illegals or deceased?

Secondly: I shouldn't have to teach you about your own country's political system, but here we go:
The Electoral College is intended to ensure that large states like California and New York does not determine the outcome of every POTUS-election and tyrannize the remaining states.
Just as the "EU's" system is intended to ensure that, at least in theory, France and Germany doesn't tyrannize the others.
That the facts seem to be different is because the rest of the countries have gotten up on all fours and asked Mutti Merkel to please use lube, rather than have some backbone and tell her to go fiddlestick herself.

Now you know

 

[tulc]

Thank you for proving my point How many of those voters were either illegals or deceased?

None.
Been here:
Member Of Disbanded Trump Voter Fraud Commission Speaks Out

DUNLAP: Well, what's remarkable about the documents is what's not in there, and what's not in there is any substantiated evidence of voter misconduct at any scale. In fact, one of the troubling things about the documents that we saw was that before we were even really meeting, commission staff were working on a framework of a report. And several sections of report talk about voter fraud, and those sections are completely blank. They didn't insert any information whatsoever.

So that's why we've been saying that, even though the idea was to investigate voter fraud, it is pretty clear that the purpose of the commission was to actually affirm and validate the president's claims whether or not we had any evidence of any such voter misconduct.

GONYEA: And, again, you were on the panel, but you couldn't get access to the work it was doing or any evidence that it was supposedly gathering.

DUNLAP: I couldn't even get a schedule. This was the frustration that I felt when Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon forwarded me an email from the Minnesota Voters Alliance touting the fact that they've been invited to the December meeting of the commission, and that was the first word I'd had in October that they were even talking about a December meeting. So that's when I sent the formal letter which really led ultimately to the lawsuit you're talking about.

President Trumps team couldn't even manufacture evidence of any voters fraud, let alone find any. And they REALLY wanted to find it.

Secondly: I shouldn't have to teach you about your own country's political system,
(snip)
Now you know

Yep, I knew that going in. The Electoral College is the only reason we've had two Republican Presidents in this century. Here's something you may not know: in the last 140 years no President in American history that wasn't a Republican has won the Presidential election after losing the popular vote. And two of those 4 have been in this century alone. But it is kind of adorable you feel the need to explain that to me.
tulc(seems to have had this "explained" to him pretty much once or twice a week for two years now and it never gets old)

 

[DanishLutheran]

So, you don't support minority protections, all of a sudden?

Imagine that

 

[tulc]

So, you don't support minority protections,

...shouldn't that be "All of a sudden DanishLutheran supports a country ruled by a minority"?

all of a sudden?

I'm not sure what your point is here? Have we had more interactions then just the last couple of days? I mean you've been a member since Dec 22, 2018 and I don't really remember having any back and forth with you before this last week or so.

Imagine that

It would indeed appear to be in someones imagination at least.
tulc(is going to need some more coffee soonish)

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Thank you for proving my point How many of those voters were either illegals or deceased?

Secondly: I shouldn't have to teach you about your own country's political system, but here we go:
The Electoral College is intended to ensure that large states like California and New York does not determine the outcome of every POTUS-election and tyrannize the remaining states.
Just as the "EU's" system is intended to ensure that, at least in theory, France and Germany doesn't tyrannize the others.
That the facts seem to be different is because the rest of the countries have gotten up on all fours and asked Mutti Merkel to please use lube, rather than have some backbone and tell her to go fiddlestick herself.

Now you know

Common misconception. The EC is not to protect small states from large states:
“Some claim that the founding fathers chose the Electoral College over direct election in order to balance the interests of high-population and low-population states. But the deepest political divisions in America have always run not between big and small states, but between the north and the south, and between the coasts and the interior.

One Founding-era argument for the Electoral College stemmed from the fact that ordinary Americans across a vast continent would lack sufficient information to choose directly and intelligently among leading presidential candidates.”

And, of course, there is the ugly slavery angle:
“At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South: “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.” In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.”

The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists

 

[DanishLutheran]

...shouldn't that be "All of a sudden DanishLutheran supports a country ruled by a minority"?

I'm not sure what your point is here? Have we had more interactions then just the last couple of days? I mean you've been a member since Dec 22, 2018 and I don't really remember having any back and forth with you before this last week or so.


It would indeed appear to be in someones imagination at least.
tulc(is going to need some more coffee soonish)

The problem with English is that it does not distinguish between the singular and the plural second person.
There is a generic "you" and a specific "you". I meant the former - as it's obvious which "camp" of this you belong to - but can see how it could be taken as the latter.

And no, it shouldn't. Because large states, or countries, should not get to steamroll everyone else simply because they're large

 

[JackRT]

The Electoral College is intended to ensure that large states like California and New York does not determine the outcome of every POTUS-election and tyrannize the remaining states.

That is already accomplished in the Senate where Rhode Island has the same influence as California or Texas or New York.

 

[JackRT]

A question for those of you in the USA --- "Who is responsible for the management of the forest in National Parks and National Forest lands? Is it the state or federal government?"

 

[Arcangl86]

A question for those of you in the USA --- "Who is responsible for the management of the forest in National Parks and National Forest lands? Is it the state or federal government?"

National Parks and National Forests are the responsibility of the federal government, and IIRC more then half of the public land in California is federal.

ETA: IIRC the Camp Fire from last year started on federal land.

 

[JackRT]

National Parks and National Forests are the responsibility of the federal government, and IIRC more then half of the public land in California is federal.

ETA: IIRC the Camp Fire from last year started on federal land.

So, as usual, the man who would be king doesn't know what he is talking about and is just trying to throw his weight around.

 

[The Barbarian]

hank you for proving my point How many of those voters were either illegals or deceased?

There are only four documented cases of fraudulent voting in the 2006 election. Three of them voted for Trump, and one of them voted for a different republican.

In December 2016, the Washington Post combed through Nexis to find reports about absentee or in-person voter fraud in the 2016 election. They found a total of four cases. Ironically, three of them were committed by Trump supporters, and none of them involved people changing their clothes in cars.


Eventually, even the White House was forced to acknowledge there’s no evidence for Trump’s claim that millions of illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. Trump, however, won’t be deterred.
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/14/18095592/trump-voter-fraud-disguises-cars-daily-caller-interview

Why do you think Trump's voter fraud commission imploded? All they could find were crooked Trump supporters illegally voting.

 

[Theresasjourney]

President Trump says he's cutting off FEMA money for California fires

tulc(found this interesting)

Cal. never uses the money properly to clean under growth etc. That's why the wildfries are so bad. Everyone who has done research knows this.

 

[Arcangl86]

Cal. never uses the money properly to clean under growth etc. That's why the wildfries are so bad. Everyone who has done research knows this.

FEMA money is used for disaster relief, not disaster prevention. And as for clearing of under growth and the like, most of California's public land is federal land and it's up to the USFS and the BLM to maintain it.