I have heard people say that if you dont speak in tongues then you're not baptized in this spirit. Is this true or false? Is it biblical or not biblical? Thank you.
It is classic Pentecostal doctrine, but is not really accurate, scripturally speaking. Even the texts they quote do not list "tongues" as evidence; rather it lists prophecy.I have heard people say that if you dont speak in tongues then you're not baptized in this spirit. Is this true or false? Is it biblical or not biblical? Thank you.
Thanks Dave. Good point.It is classic Pentecostal doctrine, but is not really accurate, scripturally speaking. Even the texts they quote do not list "tongues" as evidence; rather it lists prophecy.
Read Acts 2 where Peter quotes from Joel 2.
Your sons and daughters shall PROPHESY.
you may find help on the Pentecostal site, statement of faithI have heard people say that if you dont speak in tongues then you're not baptized in this spirit. Is this true or false? Is it biblical or not biblical? Thank you.
This is the difference between "Spirit Within" and "Spirit Upon."From my experience, the Holy Spirit is given at conversion, and the gift of tongues comes with the package when baptised in the Spirit. But essentially it is the power to witness
Paul says that not everyone has the gift of tongues. Isnt that true?you may find help on the Pentecostal site, statement of faith
Pentecostal & Assemblies of God
From my experience, the Holy Spirit is given at conversion, and the gift of tongues comes with the package when baptised in the Spirit. But essentially it is the power to witness
The main teaching in the New Testament is that you shall receive power when the Spirit comes upon you. Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
I have heard people say that if you dont speak in tongues then you're not baptized in this spirit. Is this true or false? Is it biblical or not biblical? Thank you.
Thank you.I will simply quote 1 Corinthians 12:
1 Corinthians 12:29-31 NASB All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? (30) All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? (31) But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.
Let the reader understand.
My advice is to repeat your question on either the Spirit-filled/Charismatic or the Pentecostal forum. Your question will welcomed there, and you will get helpful answers. Because there is no debating by non-Charismatics on those forums, you won't get trolled and the waters muddied.I have heard people say that if you dont speak in tongues then you're not baptized in this spirit. Is this true or false? Is it biblical or not biblical? Thank you.
I have heard people say that if you dont speak in tongues then you're not baptized in this spirit. Is this true or false? Is it biblical or not biblical? Thank you.
Paul says that not everyone has the gift of tongues. Isnt that true?
Going through Acts you find accounts where tongues is manifested when baptized in the Spirit and accounts when it is not. However, the majority of the time tongues is manifested. But to plainly answer your question, No, it is not necessary.I have heard people say that if you dont speak in tongues then you're not baptized in this spirit. Is this true or false? Is it biblical or not biblical? Thank you.
No, i dont question scripture. Thanks for the reply.1 Corinthians 12:30
29 Are we all apostles? Are we all prophets? Are we all teachers? Do we all have the power to do miracles? 30 Do we all have the gift of healing? Do we all have the ability to speak in unknown languages? Do we all have the ability to interpret unknown languages? Of course not! 31 So you should earnestly desire the most helpful gifts.
The answer to your question is plainly in the Bible, do you question it?
Thank you.Going through Acts you find accounts where tongues is manifested when baptized in the Spirit and accounts when it is not. However, the majority of the time tongues is manifested. But to plainly answer your question, No, it is not necessary.
I dont usually fair well on charismatic forums. I have been goaded and reported on the charismatic forum so i dont post there oftenMy advice is to repeat your question on either the Spirit-filled/Charismatic or the Pentecostal forum. Your question will welcomed there, and you will get helpful answers. Because there is no debating by non-Charismatics on those forums, you won't get trolled and the waters muddied.
The thread on this forum, as has been with every other thread concerning tongues here, will descend into vain and useless arguments and repeated claptrap by Cessationists giving you the old chestnuts as to why tongues is false, of the devil, ceased after the Apostolic Age, etc. You don't need that. You want your question answered, and if you go to the forums I suggest, you will get a good range of answers that will assist you.
Thank you. Like paul said, its better to prophesy. To also quote Paul, I would rather speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.My husband did not start speaking in tounges until after he was born again, baptized AND he prayed and wanted it. Think of it this way, if you want to jump over a puddle but refuse to move your feet what will happen ?
For me after water baptism I wanted it and pastors laid hands and it happened. Just muttered a few things but in time I kept praying in the spirit and it flows naturally.
I think Pentecostals got it wrong on two counts here. The major one being what constitutes "baptism with the Spirit". They have a first class/second class view of the Christian community distinguish by an "experience" evidence by "speaking in tongues", which is not supported in scripture.I have heard people say that if you dont speak in tongues then you're not baptized in this spirit. Is this true or false? Is it biblical or not biblical? Thank you.
Thank you.I think Pentecostals got it wrong on two counts here. The major one being what constitutes "baptism with the Spirit". They have a first class/second class view of the Christian community distinguish by an "experience" evidence by "speaking in tongues", which is not supported in scripture.
The only verse is the letters to the Christians (Romans to Revelation) that even contain both the word baptize and Spirit is 1Cor 12:13 "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body——whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free——and have all been made to drink into one Spirit." Which itself conflicts with the Pentecostal concept of a class system. And the context of that verse Paul is criticizing the church for its discrimination inflating things like the gift of tongues above other gifts, which is precisely what the Pentecostals do.
We were all baptized because the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the same as when we receive the Holy Spirit. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Rom 8:9
Case in point: Cornelius
As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ Acts 11:14,15
Ac 10:47 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"
These two are equivalent. Baptized with the Holy Spirit is the same as receiving the Holy Spirit.
As for speaking in tongues, Paul also says, "Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?" 1Cor 12:30 Tongues is not the exalted gift (by the way, easily faked) which Pentecostals make it out to be in comparison to other gifts. Nor does having other spiritual gifts dependent upon having tongues.
The only verse is the letters to the Christians (Romans to Revelation) that even contain both the word baptize and Spirit is 1Cor 12:13 "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body——whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free——and have all been made to drink into one Spirit." Which itself conflicts with the Pentecostal concept of a class system. And the context of that verse Paul is criticizing the church for its discrimination inflating things like the gift of tongues above other gifts, which is precisely what the Pentecostals do.
We were all baptized because the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the same as when we receive the Holy Spirit. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Rom 8:9
That's a real pity. I guess Charismatics are human and susceptible to the flesh as any of us!I dont usually fair well on charismatic forums. I have been goaded and reported on the charismatic forum so i dont post there often