LDS Matthew 22 & Eternal Marriage

[Peter1000]

Your misuse of scripture and ignorance of other scripture is tiresome. 1 Cor 11:11 is about head coverings, not marriage. You insert the "to be" on your own. Here's what it actually says in your preferred version (KJV):
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

But then you also ignore a few chapters back in 1 Cor 7:39 (and Romans 7:1-2) that supports the "death do us part" found in many wedding vows.

39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.

Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him.

Don't you know the law??

If is about head covering, then apply head covering to "nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. Thank you.

And your wedding vows scripture has to do with the rules set down by the law for a woman in this earthlife only. If her husband is living, she cannot marry another man. If her husband dies, then she is free to marry another man. All earthlife experience. The scripture says nothing of afterlife conditions.
So it does not apply to our conversation.

My misuse and ignorance of scripture comes down to 1 thing. I interpret things differently than you do, so I could say the same to you, but I will not be that rude.

 

[BigDaddy4]

If is about head covering, then apply head covering to "nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. Thank you.

One thing I've learned about you is you don't like to read Scripture in context.
Next verse: For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.
Eve was made from Adam (neither the woman without the man); Eve gives birth to children (neither is the man without the woman). God created this process (in the Lord). No mention of marriage, especially in heaven.

And your wedding vows scripture has to do with the rules set down by the law for a woman in this earthlife only. If her husband is living, she cannot marry another man. If her husband dies, then she is free to marry another man. All earthlife experience. The scripture says nothing of afterlife conditions.
So it does not apply to our conversation.

It does apply actually. You just completely miss the point: Marriage between a man and a woman is for this life only! No afterlife marriage in any shape or form except for the analogy of the church being the bride and Christ the bridegroom at the resurrection.

My misuse and ignorance of scripture comes down to 1 thing. I interpret things differently than you do, so I could say the same to you, but I will not be that rude.

You should learn from your mistakes. Let go of the false lds teachings and grasp on tightly to the actual Scriptures.

 

[Peter1000]

One thing I've learned about you is you don't like to read Scripture in context.
Next verse: For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.
Eve was made from Adam (neither the woman without the man); Eve gives birth to children (neither is the man without the woman). God created this process (in the Lord). No mention of marriage, especially in heaven.


It does apply actually. You just completely miss the point: Marriage between a man and a woman is for this life only! No afterlife marriage in any shape or form except for the analogy of the church being the bride and Christ the bridegroom at the resurrection.

You should learn from your mistakes. Let go of the false lds teachings and grasp on tightly to the actual Scriptures.

I'm waiting for that application of the head covering to our scripture.

It is true that there can be no man without the woman, nor no woman without the man. The Lord does not recongize anything happening between a man and a woman as far as procreation unless they are married in the Lord. Marriage is the key to being in the Lord when you procreate. There is no time set by the Lord about this relationship.

Like I say, line up all the husband and wife scriptures and you will see that marriage will happen in heaven for those that are married before the resurrection, in the Lord.

 

[Rescued One]

Tell me the difference between "an angel" and one that will be "as an angel"?

Angels are another species, they don't even die. They don't marry. As the angels, we will not be married. The question was about marriage; Jesus answered that.

 

[Peter1000]

Angels are another species, they don't even die. They don't marry. As the angels, we will not be married. The question was about marriage; Jesus answered that.

So what you are saying is that anatomically we will not be like the angels, but we are like them because we are immortal and will not die again, and those that were not married before the resurrection started will not be married like the angels? Is that right?

 

[Rescued One]

Yes, all of that, but you have to agree, the idea that "let us" and "our image" and "our likeness" can be reasonably interpreted many ways, and we will just have to wait until we meet God to get the answer to that question.

No it can't be interpreted many ways. There is ONLY one God and zero goddesses before the creation.

Colossians 1
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him(no goddess), and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 

[Rescued One]

So what you are saying is that anatomically we will not be like the angels, but we are like them because we are immortal and will not die again, and those that were not married before the resurrection started will not be married like the angels? Is that right?

NO. The only marriage in heaven is the union of the church to Christ. Anatomical features are never compared to angels.

 

[Peter1000]

NO. The only marriage in heaven is the union of the church to Christ. Anatomical features are never compared to angels.

And exactly how does that union take place? And what will you and I be like when we are in union with Jesus Christ?

 

[BigDaddy4]

I'm waiting for that application of the head covering to our scripture.

Who is the head of whom and whether or not a woman's head should be covered is a completely different discussion and I'm not going to chase that rabbit hole. The verse you chose to support your marriage in heaven viewpoint is found in a section that is talking about head coverings. The point is, the verse is not about marriage in heaven and therefore does not support your point!

It is true that there can be no man without the woman, nor no woman without the man. The Lord does not recongize anything happening between a man and a woman as far as procreation unless they are married in the Lord. Marriage is the key to being in the Lord when you procreate. There is no time set by the Lord about this relationship.

The Lord recognizes ALL of his creation, children born out of wedlock included. Are you seriously suggesting the Lord does not care about children unless they are from Christian-married parents? Your "keys" only work on Joseph Smith's man-made doors. They are not from Scripture.

Like I say, line up all the husband and wife scriptures and you will see that marriage will happen in heaven for those that are married before the resurrection, in the Lord.

Maybe in the Smith fairy tale version, but not in actual Scripture.

 

[mmksparbud]

From this scripture, we now know that God is made in the image of man, with hands, and face, and back parts, just like a man. Now, is God a creature? No, He is forever and will be forever, so no, he is not a creature, but he is an resurrected, exhalted, man, as shown to us clearly by the bible - see
Exodus 33:22-23.

Wrong!! God is not made in the image of man!!!! God was never made!!! We are created in his image---big difference!

God is not a resurrected exalted man---God the Father was never man, God the Father is from everlasting to everlasting, He always existed as God never as a human!!! God the Son, became human at the incarnation, He was never human before that. At His resurrection , He became an exalted human, but He is different from us as He always has kept His divinity, something we never have been!!! Jesus became lower than the angels when He became human.
Psa_8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Heb_2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb_2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

 

[mmksparbud]

And exactly how does that union take place? And what will you and I be like when we are in union with Jesus Christ?

That union takes place here on earth when we accept Jesus as our Savior! Just as the union between all humanity takes place--we are all one in Christ--
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes, all of that, but you have to agree, the idea that "let us" and "our image" and "our likeness" can be reasonably interpreted many ways, and we will just have to wait until we meet God to get the answer to that question.

A rag doll is made in our image. Compared to God--that is what we are!

 

[Rescued One]

And exactly how does that union take place? And what will you and I be like when we are in union with Jesus Christ?

We will be resurrected humans who adore the one True God! I was united to Christ when the Father gave me to Him.

Acts 2
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

 

[Peter1000]

We will be resurrected humans who adore the one True God! I was united to Christ when the Father gave me to Him.

Acts 2
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

How does your union with Christ manifest itself daily?

 

[Peter1000]

A rag doll is made in our image. Compared to God--that is what we are!

A rag doll may be made in our image, but not in our likeness.

 

[Peter1000]

That union takes place here on earth when we accept Jesus as our Savior! Just as the union between all humanity takes place--we are all one in Christ--
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

If we are all one with Jesus as God the Father is one with Jesus, does that make us a part of the Godhead?

 

[Peter1000]

Wrong!! God is not made in the image of man!!!! God was never made!!! We are created in his image---big difference!

God is not a resurrected exalted man---God the Father was never man, God the Father is from everlasting to everlasting, He always existed as God never as a human!!! God the Son, became human at the incarnation, He was never human before that. At His resurrection , He became an exalted human, but He is different from us as He always has kept His divinity, something we never have been!!! Jesus became lower than the angels when He became human.
Psa_8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Heb_2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb_2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

If man is made in the image of God, then God has to be in the image of man. Right?

The clift in the rock with God flying past Moses happened before the incarnation. So before the incarnation God had back parts, a face, and hands. That's interesting. How do you explain that?

If Jesus was "made", does that make him a creature?

 

[Peter1000]

Who is the head of whom and whether or not a woman's head should be covered is a completely different discussion and I'm not going to chase that rabbit hole. The verse you chose to support your marriage in heaven viewpoint is found in a section that is talking about head coverings. The point is, the verse is not about marriage in heaven and therefore does not support your point!

The Lord recognizes ALL of his creation, children born out of wedlock included. Are you seriously suggesting the Lord does not care about children unless they are from Christian-married parents? Your "keys" only work on Joseph Smith's man-made doors. They are not from Scripture.

Maybe in the Smith fairy tale version, but not in actual Scripture.

I know the head covering is a tough application to "the man is not without the woman, neither is the woman without man "in the Lord".

I am not suggesting that the Lord does not care about children. He loves all children and wants the best for all children. The conversation is, who can be married in heaven. The only ones that can be married in heaven are those husbands and wives that are "in the Lord", who have been married by one that holds the keys to the KOH. Remember Jesus gave Peter these keys, that whatever he binds on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatsoever is loosed on earth will be loosed in heaven.

That is what is meant by "in the Lord". Those that are married by a person who holds the keys to binding and loosing will be married for eternity, not just for life, because they are "in the Lord".

As soon as you make your final statement using words like "Smith's fairytell events", I know I have won the argument.

 

[mmksparbud]

A rag doll may be made in our image, but not in our likeness.

Strong's Concordance
demuth: likeness, similitude
Original Word: דְּמוּת
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Transliteration: demuth
Phonetic Spelling: (dem-ooth')
Definition: likeness, similitude
1 likeness, similitude, of external appearance, chiefly in Ezek.: Ezekiel 1:5 (likeness, i.e. something that appeared like) so Ezekiel 1:26; Ezekiel 8:2 דְּמוּת כְּמַרְאֵה (אֵשׁׅ (compare Co), Ezekiel 10:1 כִּסֵּא ׳כְּמַרְאֵה ד; compare also Daniel 10:16 כִּדְמוּת בְּנֵי אָדָם i.e. one like the sons of man; similitude, resemblance Ezekiel 1:5,10,16,22,26; Ezekiel 10:10,21,22; דְּמוּת כְּמַרְאֵה אָדָם Ezekiel 1:26; ׳מַרְאֵה ד ׳כְּבוֺד י Ezekiel 1:28; also 2 Kings 16:10 (pattern of altar), 2 Chronicles 4:3 (images of oxen); of son in likeness of father Genesis 5:3 (P); so also of man in likeness of God Genesis 1:26 ("" צֶלֶם) Genesis 5:1 (both P); compare Isaiah 40:18 what ׳ד will ye compare to him (אֵל) ? "" דִּמָּה q. v.

Strong's Hebrew: 6754. צֶ֫לֶם (tselem) -- an image
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6754.htm
3 figurative = mere, empty, image, semblance, ׳בְּצ Psalm 39:7 as (ב essentiae) a (mere) semblance man walks about; צַלְמָם תִּבְזֶה Psalm 73:20 thou wilt despise their semblance.

Strong's Concordance
tselem: an image
Original Word: צֶלֶם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tselem
Phonetic Spelling: (tseh'-lem)
Definition: an image

noun masculineEzekiel 16:17 image (something cut out, compare מֶּסֶל; Nö 'Schnitzbild'); — ׳צ absolute Psalm 39:7, construct Genesis 1:27 +; suffix צַלְמוֺ Genesis 1:27; Genesis 5:3, צַלְמֵנוּ Genesis 1:26, צַלְמָם Psalm 73:20; plural construct צַלְמֵי 1 Samuel 6:5 (twice in verse) +, suffix צְלָמָיו 2 Kings 11:18; 2Chronicles 23:17, צַלְמֵיכֶם Amos 5:26; —

1 images of tumours and mice (of gold) 1 Samuel 6:5 (twice in verse); 1 Samuel 6:11; especially of heathen gods Amos 5:26 (text dubious; strike out We as gloss, compare GASm Dr), 2 Kings 11:18 2Chronicles 23:17 (both with verb שִׁבְּרוּ), Ezekiel 7:20, so זָכָר ׳צ Ezekiel 16:17 (i.e. in male form, according to figurative of harlotry for idolatry); צַלְמֵי מַסֵכֹתָם Numbers 33:52 their molten images; of painted pictures of men Ezekiel 23:14.

2 image, likeness, of resemblance, ׳בְּצ (בָּרָא) עָשָׂה, of God's making man in his own image, Genesis 1:26("" כִּדְמוּתֵנוּ), Genesis 1:27; Genesis 1:27; Genesis 9:6, ׳כְּצ Genesis 5:3 ("" בִּדְמוּתוֺ; all P).

 

[mmksparbud]

If we are all one with Jesus as God the Father is one with Jesus, does that make us a part of the Godhead?

Did it imply the disciples were part of the Godhead? We are one in nature, in thought--never in substance--The 3 are Diviine--we never can be. We are created, they are not, never have been.