Extreme gun control positions

[No Swansong]

Difference is driving/owning a car isn’t a constitutionally guaranteed right.

All rights are subject to reasonable regulation. For example the often touted laws against calling for violence against another is a reasonable regulation of the freedom of speech or the press depending upon how such a call was made. Forbidding human sacrifice is a reasonable regulation of the freedom of religious expression and currently it is illegal for guns to be sold to persons who are subject to visual and audible hallucinations. Usually such regulations exist to protect the rights of others and they are rare as they should be, but still it stands that constitutional rights can be regulated or restricted.

 

[durangodawood]

You cannot sacrifice liberty for security. You’ll yield neither.

Oh brother.

Everyone here is ok with sacrificing certain liberties for security.

 

[Belk]

What do you think it’s for?

It states it right in the amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[OK Jeff]

It states it right in the amendment.

And what is the purpose of the people’s ability to form a militia?

 

[Belk]

A wrong righted by the 21st.
You’re playing a childish game of “gotcha”. Reading my posts in context shows as much.

No, I'm pointing out your assertion is incorrect. Perhaps you should incorporate that into your views?

 

[OK Jeff]

All rights are subject to reasonable regulation. For example the often touted laws against calling for violence against another is a reasonable regulation of the freedom of speech or the press depending upon how such a call was made. Forbidding human sacrifice is a reasonable regulation of the freedom of religious expression and currently it is illegal for guns to be sold to persons who are subject to visual and audible hallucinations. Usually such regulations exist to protect the rights of others and they are rare as they should be, but still it stands that constitutional rights can be regulated or restricted.

And there you nailed it. The restriction should be around the problem persons. Not the guns. The gun is a tool, neither good nor bad. Gun violence is a human problem

 

[OK Jeff]

No, I'm pointing out your assertion is incorrect. Perhaps you should incorporate that into your views?

And I’m pointing out the only example that exists proves my assertion correct.

 

[Gigimo]

I can put up a quote, but revised history claims it’s false. You have google? Check for yourself.

You must be referring to the quote by Isoruku Yamamoto about "there will be a gun behind every blade of grass". Some are wont to say he never said that because it's supposedly not in any books about him, but you have to wonder just exactly he said that aren't in those books. Considering he died in 43 before a lot of historians/book writers had a chance to interview him I wouldn't be afraid to say there is a lot of what he said/thought missing from history.

He was also against most of what the Japanese military did starting with the invasion of China in 31, the AXIS Pact and starting a war with the US. He also lived in the US and knew about our customs and beliefs, so him saying that is not a stretch in my book.

 

[Sketcher]

Cute slogan. The problem, of course, is that hundreds and hundreds of millions of people around tge world are as free as you are.

Without the guns.

If they can't buy a gun and ammunition as easily as we can, and freely transport it to an open rifle range whenever they want like we can, no, they're not as free as we are.

 

[Belk]

And what is the purpose of the people’s ability to form a militia?

How many times am I going to have to quote the same amendment?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[No Swansong]

To expand rights, perhaps yes. But never to remove them.

You mean like when prohibition was repealed?

 

[Belk]

And I’m pointing out the only example that exists proves my assertion correct.

Really? I would beg to differ. That amendments can reinstate rights that wetre lost does not negate the fact that they can indeed restrict rights.

 

[OK Jeff]

You must be referring to the quote by Isoruku Yamamoto about "there will be a gun behind every blade of grass". Some are wont to say he never said that because it's supposedly not in any books about him, but you have to wonder just exactly he said that aren't in those books. Considering he died in 43 before a lot of historians/book writers had a chance to interview him I wouldn't be afraid to say there is a lot of what he said/thought missing from history.

That’s the quote I had in mind. I posted a screenshot, but it hasn’t showed up yet. I found a similar quote from an unnamed Japanese admiral that’s similar. Robert Menard recorded it.

 

[No Swansong]

Nor should it be. But that’s another topic.

Why should voting not be a constitutionally protected right?

 

[OK Jeff]

You mean like when prohibition was repealed?

Yes

 

[OK Jeff]

Why should voting not be a constitutionally protected right?

It was originally restricted to those who had vested interest. Namely possessed actual property.

 

[Sketcher]

Complete ban - no way.

Options I'd consider:
-Register every single firearm to its owner
-6 round max capacity
-Maybe no magazines at all, but manual load only
-Drivers license style test required for ownership

Not sure about all those. But I think theyre good ideas. Could be wrong tho and would consider the pro / cons.

You would ban 7-shot revolvers then?

 

[OK Jeff]

How many times am I going to have to quote the same amendment?

I don’t understand how you think this does anything but prove my point.

 

[OK Jeff]

You would ban 7-shot revolvers then?

Or nine?

 

[No Swansong]

You cannot sacrifice liberty for security. You’ll yield neither.

Sure you can. Your philosophy is problematic. I don't agree with sacrificing liberty in most cases but it can be done, and in some cases doing so can increase one's security.