Do some believe babies go to Hell?

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Unless babies land on God's lap at birth, they are not comming into paradise. They are born into sin.

The kingdom of God belong to these..., what you understand form that?, that they go to Heaven should they die... because they belong to the kingdom of God.
 
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I think this is an area that we simply don't know enough about to make any decisive judgement. The chief problem with the argument that babies go to hell because they are either, unbaptized (old Augustinian argument) or lack faith (modern Protestant argument) is that we all recognize the baby as incapable of being able to intelligently express ideas about faith in God or know that it can sin.

The baby doesn't know anything and that's the problem. Yet apparently from the moment of conception it is branded as a sinner, not due to anything it has done, but due to the sin of it's first parent Adam. How we inherit the sins of Adam and not only his corrupt nature I do not know. It is not just to be condemned for the sin another but our own sins.

Maybe this is why Augustine tried to argue that babies are sinners from birth because of how they cry and scream for attention. He recognized the need to impute some sin to the actions of the infant.
 
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Lol, you add words into my mouth and then complain that someone is doing the same to you. I don't believe in a place called hell, ok?
I mentioned what you have stated. Adults go to hell for specific reasons....Babies dont...for specific reasons.

I didnt mention any thoughts on the existence of hell.....I thought we were to assume it does exist while answering the question....but we can go into its existence if you wish to switch things up.

You did not address the statement that you cant grasp the idea of sending a baby to hell, but you are ok with the idea of adults going there......is this not true?

I asked if you could see God feeling different.......e.g. loving everyone the same regardless of age, sex, nationality etc..... Is this possible? Or Is God like man, basing love and punishment on age?
 
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If you say all babies are believers then do you support infant baptism?
No I do not, I was saying that scripture says He knew us before we were in the womb and if God knows us then I am sure He cares, Since He is a loving and caring God.
 
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You never asked me for my opinion. You judged without knowledge and proceeded to make statements based on your false judgement.

I criticized no one,,, if you can show me where i did, without cutting out part of my sentences, show me. And asking a question is not criticizing....This is what I prefer that you do....ask questions, that edify....and then proceed to show your "superior knowledge."



I would like for you to just ask me questions, without judging me and speaking on what you believe my answer to be beforehand.....Is that too much to ask? Do I have to be guilty of what you believe before answering on the matter?

Do explain broadly, I dont believe there are babies in Heaven or Hell....I find the idea preposterous. And if you have a truth that has exceptions, it most likely isnt truth......If you have a plan of salvation that give exceptions....maybe you should rethink your plan.



You are too sensitive and emotional....both quality not attributed to one who is given to handle and divide the words of truth. I see no criticism here. You will continue to see it as long as you continue to look for it. Sometimes people ask questions to gain clarity.....not to argue, not to criticize......just to understand a thought process.

I do not like to assume what others think....is this ok?

Let your "yes," be "yes," and your "no" be "no."
Be upfront about your belief here.
If not then you are simply hiding what you actually believe.
Again, logic dictates that if you criticize others those who believe babies are saved, then you are not in favor of that position.

Anyways, may the Lord's love and peace shine upon you this fine day.
 
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I mentioned what you have stated. Adults go to hell for specific reasons....Babies dont...for specific reasons.

I didnt mention any thoughts on the existence of hell.....I thought we were to assume it does exist while answering the question....but we can go into its existence if you wish to switch things up.

You did not address the statement that you cant grasp the idea of sending a baby to hell, but you are ok with the idea of adults going there......is this not true?

I asked if you could see God feeling different.......e.g. loving everyone the same regardless of age, sex, nationality etc..... Is this possible? Or Is God like man, basing love and punishment on age?
You are talking with a man who believes hell is a state of mind and that one can save people out of hell. So don't waste your time.
 
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Then babies are not believers?
I can't say with certainty or scripture so I do not know? I was being a smart aleck earlier "jokingly"and meant that you could look at it that way since He did know us before.. Afterall He is the Potter and has made each one of us
 
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2 Timothy 3:15
and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Wow. The lengths you are going here is pretty crazy.

Okay. The KJV says "child."

"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." (2 Timothy 3:15).

And the KJV would be correct because no baby can read.

Psalm 51:6
Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place.

It says in Psalms 51:6:
"Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom."

This is David talking in the present tense now about his innermost being. The Modern Translations got it wrong. The common Hebrew word for "womb" is not used here.
 
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cool story bro,

have a good day

Well my suggestion for you to pray on this matter is not a story. Prayer is a very real thing (described in the Bible) and it can help you to determine the truth of this topic (if you are truly seeking to be impartial to the truth here). So far, I just do not get that impression you are desiring to do that, though. Then again, this would be one case where I would like to be proven wrong.

In any event, whether you agree or disagree, may the Lord's goodness be upon you this fine day, friend.
 
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Let your "yes," be "yes," and your "no" be "no."
Be upfront about your belief here.
If not then you are simply hiding what you actually believe.
Again, logic dictates that if you criticize others those who believe babies are saved, then you are not in favor of that position.
I questions questionable statements, for edification of the readers....i see nothing wrong with you calling it criticism, however. I dont question you much because you are sensitive and quick to see offense and quick on the report button. I said many times....If you are able to reason together, you can ask questions and I would answer.....
 
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There is nothing in The Word of God about babies going to hell.

Nor is there anything about babies automatically going to heaven.

I am not smart enough to even attempt to figure out God's methods. All I can do is try, in my own bumbling way, to cooperate with God, and to follow what He tells me to do.
 
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That's pretty far out there.
In any event, I am wishing him nothing but good things to him in Christ Jesus.
He is only following what you have been doing...... His choice of words mean nothing as they are all just groups of letters. It is best to not imply or assume when most are willing to reason.

I wish all nothing but good as well.
 
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I questions questionable statements, for edification of the readers....i see nothing wrong with you calling it criticism, however. I dont question you much because you are sensitive and quick to see offense and quick on the report button. I said many times....If you are able to reason together, you can ask questions and I would answer.....

I don't see why you don't want to reveal your belief on the discussion of the topic of this thread. In my opinion, its as if you have something to hide. For when you criticize others for believing that babies are saved, and you are confronted with how that is wrong, you then go into defensive mode and say that you did not say babies go to hell, etc. Look. Pick a side or don't pick one. You can say that you don't know. But if you do say you don't know then please do not attack a particular position as if you are for one side over the other.
 
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Wow. The lengths you are going here is pretty crazy.

Okay. The KJV says "child."

"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." (2 Timothy 3:15).

And the KJV would be correct because no baby can read.
The KJV is correct because God teaches that babies do in fact have the capacity … something that refutes the false teaching which claims otherwise and so happens that results in rejecting other Scriptures as 2 Peter 3:16 states.

It says in Psalms 51:6:
"Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom."
This is David talking in the present tense now about his innermost being. The Modern Translations got it wrong. The common Hebrew word for "womb" is not used here.
2 Peter 3:16--God says those who distort Paul's letters will also distort other Scriptures.
Not surprised then on the distortion of this as well.
 
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The KJV is correct because God teaches that babies do in fact have the capacity … something that refutes the false teaching which claims otherwise and so happens that results in rejecting other Scriptures as 2 Peter 3:16 states.


2 Peter 3:16--God says those who distort Paul's letters will also distort other Scriptures.
Not surprised then on the distortion of this as well.

Thank you for the false accusation and insult. I will rejoice in God my Savior.

Side Note:

Oh, and by the way, where do you think the KJV is in support of babies having the capacity? You did not exactly give a verse in the KJV or anything (showing that babies have the capacity).
 
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They are saved. There was a thief (I think) hanging next to Jesus and Jesus said: You will be in paradise with me. He did not state that he should get of the cross and be baptized. That would be impossible! There for, if a baby dies before he or she gets baptized, it also became impossible, and Jesus will accept them I am sure of that
 
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But the lake of fire and second death are Scriptural.

So they are, but the Bible ID's neither as Hell. Anyway, I can not find "Hell" in either the Hebrew or the Greek languages, but I DO find it in the languages of northern Europe, back when those nations were pagan. For instance, the Norse had a goddess who they thought to rule over those who missed going to Valhalla - her name was Hel. We find "Hel" the word twice in the 1611 KJV, and hopefully it was a typo.
 
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I don't see why you don't want to reveal your belief on the discussion of the topic of this thread. In my opinion, its as if you have something to hide. For when you criticize others for believing that babies are saved, and you are confronted with how that is wrong, you then go into defensive mode and say that you did not say babies go to hell, etc. Look. Pick a side or don't pick one. You can say that you don't know. But if you do say you don't know then please do not attack a particular position as if you are for one side over the other.
You are right.... I do not believe Babies burn in hell. I apologize for appearing to be offended and defensive, and the appearance of attacking people on one side of the argument. This was not my intention. thank you for the conversation.

I find no fault in anything you have said, or believe...
 
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