Do some believe babies go to Hell?

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus also says those who have blasphemed the Holy Spirit never have forgiveness either in this life or the next. Sometimes I wonder if they also never had their names in the book of life as well.

It says this sin can be committed in the life to come (i.e. the Millennium). It would be hard to imagine unbelievers (or unsaved individuals) being in the Millennium because Christ is the ruler of that Kingdom. Granted, I believe many will become unsaved (Especially towards the end of the Millennium). But I am not so sure the souls of those in the Millennium start of unsaved. It just does not seem likely in my view because it is Christ's Kingdom (Whereby He is going to resurrect His people to live in that Kingdom).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I find it totally agreeable that one who believes anyone will literally burn in an oven and takes most of the bible as literal....would also believe that children will be there as well.....

Yes it is "unfair" for one who has not heard the word to have to face hellfire, but is it "Fair" for one who had never faced the temptation that many in "hell" had succumbed to, and still go to "Heaven?

Neither can be reconciled in the mind of man....

We also have to take into account that this whole notion is of the flesh.....we are assuming that little crawling babies will be in fire crawling around....and we are using this imagery to form opinions.

Yet there is no reason to believe that eternal bodies will look just like the physical....or that our new body have to take the same age and form as the current...in fact, many who have died after the age of 80, would be very disappointed if we had to keep the same age and appearance that we left the earth with....

God is not unfair. God is just and fair in His judgments. Babies are not going to be in hell because God is good. Jesus said children are of the Kingdom of Heaven. Maybe you just don't want to believe that? Not sure why, but the Bible shows us that God is good and that He is fair. God also does not put people in an oven of fire to scream in horrible pain. Was the rich man screaming so bad in the fire that he could not talk to Abraham? He was able to talk normally with him. So no. Also, folks will not be in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. The last enemy to be destroyed is death (1 Corinthians 15:26). This means that the other enemies of God will be destroyed, too.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Babies, pets and the hypothetical nomad in Tibet all die without hearing and understanding the Gospel. The Bible has little to nothing to say on the matter, because it was written for the same people that it was written to. We can speculate on the matter, but it ought not get past the level of a parlor game.

The notion that an unborn person cannot know Christ or have the Holy Spirit is fairly refuted by John the Baptist and his response to Christ when he was still in the womb. Also, it is fair to say that if God already knows us before we are born, then it's fairly well established what kind of people we are before we do the things that prove what we are. We should probably get away from this notion of labeling a man as perfect and innocent by virtue of the fact that he has not had the chance to sin. He has also not had the chance to be righteous. We would be compelled to use the same logic to say that babies never go to Heaven.

In the end, I think it is for us to wait and see, and trust God.

 

[DamianWarS]

The Bible answers the question.
Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

4:15 is about the promise given to Abraham that he and his descendants will be heirs of the world. Paul highlights that this is not law but a promise that is pre-torah and because of this those who are not adherents of the torah can partake of this promise through faith as Abraham did and not through the torah. This would apply to babies in as much as a baby can be said to have faith as this passage is about faith.

5:13 is pre-torah saying from the time from Adam to Moses, since there was no torah, sin was not counted. I wouldn't say it applies to those in the new covenant or to babies as I think that mishandles Paul's point which is that just because there was no law there still was sin, and there was still the result of sin which is death inherited by all under Adam. Their sin was different and it was not counted because there was no law or explicit commandments to follow but the punishment of death was still enforced and sin was still abundant which is implicit the separation from God.

 

[twin.spin]

But how? How can something that knows NO sin, Become a disgrace to an all holy God??

How?
Jesus said "flesh gives birth to flesh" … not:

• "flesh gives birth to the innocent"
• "flesh gives birth to being start out acceptable to God"
• "flesh gives birth to all babies go to heaven"

Since babies are born with "flesh", Scripture teaches concerning "flesh"

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh...
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This then is the nature of babies when "flesh gives birth to flesh" … it desires what is contrary to God.

 

[RaymondG]

God is not unfair. God is just and fair in His judgments. Babies are not going to be in hell because God is good. Jesus said children are of the Kingdom of Heaven. Maybe you just don't want to believe that? Not sure why, but the Bible shows us that God is good and that He is fair. God also does not put people in an oven of fire to scream in horrible pain. Was the rich man screaming so bad in the fire that he could not talk to Abraham? He was able to talk normally with him. So no. Also, folks will not be in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. The last enemy to be destroyed is death (1 Corinthians 15:26). This means that the other enemies of God will be destroyed, too.

You like to read things into posts. I gave not my own opinion. If you would like it, you can ask for it. If not, respond to what I stated or quote someone else.

God is not fair or unfair. God IS! If you choose to judge the One that Judgeth, continue to do so.

Everything you say sounds good. But there is a way that seemeth right unto man......so just because it sounds good, doesnt make it right.

It would be wise to cease from instructing others until we are able to not allow our personal feelings and emotions infect our Words.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Babies...all die without hearing and understanding the Gospel. The Bible has little to nothing to say on the matter,

Not true. David knew that he would see his unborn child again. Jesus said children are of the Kingdom of Heaven. Also, we know God is good. The Bible should not have to tell a person that fact, but it is in their Bible none the less. A person who says that a baby goes to hell or even possibly goes to hell needs to understand that God is good. Not just saying the words that "God is good" (mindlessly) but that God is good in everything He does. If they don't understand that simple fact, I think they need to re-check their spiritual compass again.

because it was written for the same people that it was written to. We can speculate on the matter, but it ought not get past the level of a parlor game.

Discussing the Scriptures is never on any level of some parlor game to me. I take these discussions very seriously; And it is not speculation, either.

We should probably get away from this notion of labeling a man as perfect and innocent by virtue of the fact that he has not had the chance to sin. He has also not had the chance to be righteous. We would be compelled to use the same logic to say that babies never go to Heaven.

A soul may not be perfect even as a baby, but they are innocent because they have no knowledge of sin yet. They do not have the capacity to sin. They are not capable of understanding it yet. That would be like God creating an innocent plant just to torture it in hell fire. That sure does not seem nice or good if God did that.

 

[RaymondG]

Will there be babies in Hell?

Will there be old, wrinkly, bent over, elderly people needing wheelchairs to get around, in heaven?

I suspect the answer would be the same for both

Flesh and blood will return to the dust and not inherit anything.

Maybe our new bodies will all be the same age as the angel......

Therefore a better question to consider would be "can those who have not heard the word, still go to Hell" As there is no age after death and saying "babies" only play on the emotion of man which can cloud truth....

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Will there be babies in Hell?

Will there be old, wrinkly, bent over, elderly people needing wheelchairs to get around, in heaven?

I suspect the answer would be the same for both

Flesh and blood will return to the dust and not inherit anything.

Maybe our new bodies will all be the same age as the angel......

Therefore a better question to consider would be "can those who have not heard the word, still go to Hell" As there is no age after death and saying "babies" only play on the emotion of man which can cloud truth....

But how can you say things like that and also say God is good?
Is it good that God tortures harmless babies in hell fire?
Please describe to me how that is good and loving in light of his fair justice.

 

[twin.spin]

Not true. David knew that he would see his unborn child again. Jesus said children are of the Kingdom of Heaven. … they are innocent because they have no knowledge of sin yet. They do not have the capacity to sin. They are not capable of understanding it yet.

David also acknowledged in (Psalm 51:5): "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Scripture also teaches in (Psalm 58:3): "Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies."

Scripture also teaches in (Genesis 6:5) concerning the human heart: "that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time."

 

[Not David]

I don't know if anyone goes to hell until judgement. If so, do you think that God would judge a baby guilty?

I believe God will be merciful and save them.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

David also acknowledged in (Psalm 51:5): "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Scripture also teaches in (Psalm 58:3): "Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies."

Scripture also teaches in (Genesis 6:5) concerning the human heart: "that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time."

I am not in disagreement with those verses. We all inherited a sin nature from Adam (Including babies). But a baby has no knowledge of sin yet. They are not capable of sinning. They cannot act upon their sin nature. The transgression of the law is sin. Yes, all babies are doomed to die physically because of Adam's one time sin, but Jesus will one day have a resurrection of life for those who are good. Babies and the mentally handicapped (Who have no capacity to sin), and those who accept Him and who remain faithful to Him will be saved. All Adam had to do was obey one command. He did not have the full knowledge of good and evil. He only knew about the one command. In a way he was like a saved baby being innocent to the knowledge of knowing certain evils.

 

[RaymondG]

But how can you say things like that and also say God is good?
Is it good that God tortures harmless babies in hell fire?
Please describe to me how that is good and loving in light of his fair justice.

First you show me where I said God tortures babies in hell fire......Quote me. Or if you would like to receive more "likes" you can continue making your own wild claims and then rebutting them.

 

[RaymondG]

I believe God will be merciful and save them.

yet you believe God will punish the older ones because they gave into the temptation that the younger one did not have to face.

You seem to have more compassion for those younger in age. What if God loved everyone equally and without the prejudices known to infect man?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

First you show me where I said God tortures babies in hell fire......Quote me. Or if you would like to receive more "likes" you can continue making your own wild claims and then rebutting them.

You said, I quote:

"I find it totally agreeable that one who believes anyone will literally burn in an oven and takes most of the bible as literal....would also believe that children will be there as well.....

Yes it is "unfair" " ~ RaymondG.
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Are you saying babies are saved now?
Or are you saying you simply do not know and it is a possibility?
Please be clear and upfront with us here.
For let your "yes" be "yes" and let your "no" be "no."

You also seem to be criticizing those who believe God will save babies, too.
You just did it in your recent post.
This suggests that you do believe babies will go to hell on some level (or at the very least it is a very distinct possibility). For why else would you criticize those who believe babies are saved?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

But how? How can something that knows NO sin, Become a disgrace to an all holy God??

False

psalms 51:5
psalms 58:3
psalms 14:2-3

 

[Bible Highlighter]

First you show me where I said God tortures babies in hell fire......Quote me. Or if you would like to receive more "likes" you can continue making your own wild claims and then rebutting them.

King David knew that he would see his unborn child again and Jesus says that children are of the Kingdom of Heaven. These two points in Scripture is all you should need to know that babies are saved. But you shouldn't need a Bible telling you this fact. God is good. Just knowing God is good (without a Bible telling you that) should be enough to let you know that God does not send babies to hell. Do you believe that the Bible should be just all head knowledge?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

False

psalms 51:5
psalms 58:6
psalms 14:2-3

I believe babies inherit a sin nature but they cannot act upon it whereby they will then be condemned. Jesus's sacrifice saves babies who do not have the capacity to sin. David said he would see his unborn child who died. Jesus says that children are of the Kingdom.

Sin effected mankind in the fact that he received a sin nature and in the fact that he was punished not to eat of the tree of life to live forever. Adam's one time sin brought death to others by way of a sin nature and by way of man being prevented from eating of the tree of life in the Garden. Only by eating of the tree of life (Jesus) can man live again and not be condemned.

 

[Southernscotty]

False

psalms 51:5
psalms 58:6
psalms 14:2-3

You are taking things out of proportion. God was trying to clean up the sinful place and that is why He told the Israelites to kill everyone and everything. To shed the world of the sinful idols etc:
We are now under a new covenant and under God's grace.
God is good and loving and fair and He is no respecter of persons Acts 10:34

 

[Southernscotty]

Besides all babies are believers, Because God knew them before they were in the womb.
If you wanna look at it that way