The full vials are not during the 42 months.

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[iamlamad]

The full vials are not poured till after the great tribulation is over.
Look at Rev. 18. Babylon will be seen as a cage. His people will leave, so they don't get her plagues on them.

The cage part shows God is remembering the sins of Babylon.
He is not punishing Israel for her sins, because that time of the great tribulation is over.
The vials are poured after the 42 months have ended.

Search the word cage, and you should find that it means God will avenge that place that He is remembering.

Consider the plagues are punishing for shedding the blood of saints, so that means Babylon is not shedding their blood any longer by then.

Revelation 18:1
And after these things///other visions that already ended=thing

And//shows that this new vision began after the one in chapter 18.

I saw another angel come down from heaven//means that this one is not first angel to do that act. He has watched at least one other angel do that in a previous vision.

having great power/Well, the first one that was strong - came down in Rev. 5- as he looked for someone - even under the earth to open the sealed book with seven seals

the earth was lightenend/not darkened anymore

verse 2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying Babylon the great...become...a cage...bird."

This part as to a "cage" shows that God is remembering a nation for its sin...and will avenge.

Look up what the OT has to say as to the meaning of a cage with birds in it. a symbol -God is about to avenge - bring His wrath

Rev. 19:1 will begin another vision.

I think you don't have even a little understanding of who or what John is meaning by "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen"

HOWEVER: if you know why "is fallen" is repeated, I want to know!

You should know, the man of sin will enter the new temple in Jerusalem and tell the world that HE is the God of the Jews! That will be the abomination that Jesus spoke of, that will divide the week into two halves.

But in doing that, claiming he is God, will be a big mistake: As soon as Satan is cast down, He will possess the man of sin and he will be come THE BEAST that rises out of the water.

So where is he - where will he go? He will STAY IN JERUSALEM.

Revelation 18:23 ...; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 13:3 ... and all the world wondered after the beast.

These two Beasts will deceive the ENTIRE WORLD (except a few) and will do it from the City of Jerusalem. So God calls this city for that length of time, Mystery Babylon. But this time this city will be worse than the Babylon in Iraq EVER was - for this time the entire world will be deceived.

Once they establish the image and mark, they will begin to murder all who refuse to bow and refuse to take the mark. It is this that CAUSES the days of GREAT TRIBULATION. And WHERE in Revelation doe these days of GREAT TRIBULATION take place? AFTER chapter 14 where God warns people NOT to take the mark. Surely you don't believe God would give this warning too late!

Therefore the days of great tribulation (GT) will not start until after chapter 14, and the beheaded BEGIN to show up in heaven in chapter 15. So in chapter 16 the murders are at a fervor: Millions are being murdered around the world. And finally God will have enough and will pour out the vials of His wrath WHILE THE BEHEADINGS are taking place. In other words while Satan is venting his anger by creating millions of martrys, God pours out the vials of HIS wrath. OF COURSE God will warn his people to LEAVE Jerusalem before the Beast moves in and if they can, after.

You see? It is impossible to separate Satan's wrath from God's wrath IN TIME, because they happen AT THE SAME TIME. Where are the Jews? They are being murdered - all who refuse the mark and refuse to bow. It is God's wrath and the Jews are STILL being punished. But after the vials have been poured out, the murders will cease: those carrying out the orders will be helpless to hunt anyone down. there will be total darkness and all the Beast's armies will be in pain.

The truth then is that Israel will be punished right up to the end of the week. The days of GT will continue right up until God pours out the vials of His wrath. Then DAYS of darkness continue, but the armies of the Beast are no longer murdering people.

Remember what CAUSES the days of GT: it is the forcing of people to bow to an image and to take the mark. You cannot separate the days of GT from these two events. Remember that the beheaded only begin to show up (think great tribulation) in chapter 15!

Only the little horn mouth has 42 months. He is a different king that comes in the end time. Daniel 11 shows that the king that speaks great things and make wars with many ships prospers till the indignation is accomplished.
The little horn king falls at the end of Daniel 11.
It will be the -time, times, and an half that he has to scatter Israel.
He is not here for the pouring of the vials, because he will be dead before those plagues even start.

But the beast out of the sea/not the bottomless pit will continue on and get taken down at the battle at the end of Rev. 19.

The wrath of the dragon and the little horn king/mouth do not happen at the same time as the wrath of God.

The woman flees for 42 months. The little horn has this much time to make war with her, ----not make war with God at Armageddon.

make war with the saints - 1260 - trodden down the holy city

He is not fleeing -nor his army from the full vials, as they start later.

At the end of the time, times, and an half - God sees the power of Israel has been scattered, is gone.

He repents of the evil and calls some of it back. This is a trumpet action event, not during the later vials. God will not repent of any evil of the plagues of the vials - It is done.

The OT shows that He repents of the evil when He sees that the power of His people is gone. Only after that does He start to avenge their blood. That will be the time of the full vials of His wrath against those that took the mark...followed the beast...and slew the saints.

I am sorry, but again you are simply WRONG. Do you imagine Daniel speaks of someone at the end and John somehow MISSED HIM?

WHAT YOU ARE MISSING - or just not understanding: Dan. 7:

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake...
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other [horn] which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. [3 1/2 years]

Dan. 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Notice he is given power for 3 1/2 years - which will equal 42 months.

All this is speaking of the SAME MAN: " "the little horn." Notice that he is given the power to PREVAIL over the saints. Now, WHO in revelation is given that same power?

Rev. 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

This is the FIRST Beast - the one who will rise out of the waters. It is whom most people call "the Antichrist" Beast. HE gets the 42 months of authority, and it is HE who has authority to overcome the saints. His 42 months are the SAME EXACT period of time as the 3 1/2 years show in DAniel.

Therefore, COUNT the Beasts: REvelation shows us there are TWO, ONE Beast and ONE false prophet. The "Little Horn" from Daniel is the very same Beast of Rev. 13. And this Antichrist Beast has a LOUD MOUTH to blaspheme God. He is not destroyed until Jesus returns.

Once again I don't think your theories fit what is written.

 

[iamlamad]

great tribulation ended, sun went dark....the stars fell
heaven rolled as a scroll/in the day of the Lord
men hid in the rocks - Isaiah 2 shows that is when the Lord alone is exalted - they are hiding from His glory

later will start the vials of God's wrath

1st vial
a sore on the men-that took the mark
Do you really think others would now get it on them?

2nd vial
every living soul died in the sea

3rd vial
they have -shed the blood of saints
/as in that time of shedding their blood already ended

4th vial
the sun scorched men
/OT shows that Babylon will be punished sevenfold/that is what is Israel asked God to do to the Chaldeans
Isaiah told how the light of moon would be as the sun.

Psa 79:12

And render unto our neighbours sevenfold into their bosom their reproach, wherewith they have reproached thee, O Lord.


Isa 30:26

Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

/their wound - the past wound that Babylon brought upon Israel.
The vials are to punish Babylon and her followers.

Don't Rearrange! The vials come in their time - AFTER all trumpets have sounded, and AFTER the Beast has set up his image and AFTER the mark has been enforced. In fact, God waits until the murdering of the Saints reaches fever pitch - and THEN begins pouring out the vials. I think they are all poured out in one hour.

The truth then, the vials get poured who WHILE the days of GT are going on.

You might not agree, but who gives the Beast his 42 months of authority? It is GOD. It is the ONLY reason the Beast gets his time - GOD allows it to punish Israel. Therefore, even during the 42 months of the Beast's authority, God is in control and His authority is FAR ABOVE all earthly authority. Therefore you cannot judge time by the verse that says God alone has authority.

Isaiah 2
11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.

12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

So WHO is exalted during the Day of the Lord? It is HIS Day! Of course He is exalted. And WHERE in Revelation does HIS DAY begin? AT the 6th seal. Where does it end? John does not make that clear. But fore sure the Day of the Lord continues on through the entire 70th week. That means God is exalted during the same 42 months the Beast has his authority - WHY? Because it is GOD who will give him his 42 months.

IN REVELATION, when does the days of GT cease? NOT in the seals! The 70tyh week has not even started then! The days of GT do not even start until AFTER the midpoint of the week which is chapter 11. Therefore, NO days of GT that Jesus spoke of UNTIL after the midpoint abomination.

Remember what Jesus said:
mat. 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Now, WHERE in Revelation do we see this fleeing into the mountains?

Rev. 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Therefore, the midpoint abomination MUST have taken place a second or two (reaction time) before 12:6.

Now, WHEN Did Jesus say the days of GT would start? (look in verse 21 above) It is in verse 21 which is right after the abomination which is right before those in Judea flee.

Therefore, the MIDPOINT of the week is in chapter 11. Therefore the days of GT are AFTER the midpoint of the week.

And you want them to be in the seals. Inconceivable!

Isaiah 2 -men hiding in the rocks - Day of the Lord - is fulfilled at the 6th seal. But the entire 70th week is FUTURE to that. The "tribulation" is FUTURE to that. John shows us that THE DAY begins at the 6th seal. That means NO wrath of God before that. That means NO seal before seal 6 is the wrath of God.

YOU want "the tribulation" to be without the wrath of God. That is not what John shows us. You want "the tribulation" to be in the seals, but John puts it from Rev. 8 to Rev. 16.

Always remember, ANY theory that must rearrange Revelation will be found in error.

 

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[iamlamad]

The beast - a fourth beast. The one in the second vision of Daniel 7 already had a mouth-with teeth of iron....ten horns...then later comes up the little horn with a mouth.

Rev. 13 - a beast rises with ten horns and a mouth like a lion.
A new mouth is -given to him. This mouth is the little horn that will speak great things/the vile person in Daniel 11. The mouth that speaks great things in Daniel 7.
Daniel 7 never says that one with teeth spoke.
It can devour - the beast can eat and stop on things.

Daniel 11 - the vile person -/exalts himself
speaks great things
scarlet
falls - none help him
going to perdition

Rev. 13 - the dragon gives him his seat
mixture of animals
armies gather to help him the Rider and His army
going to the lake of fire

The little horn of Dan. 7 - also shown in Dan. 11 after verse 36 - and the Beast of Rev. 7 are all speaking of the same man.

The vile person in Dan. 11, BEFORE verse 36, is speaking of Antiochus Epiphanes.

 

[iamlamad]

2Ti 4:1

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Revelation 11:15
/7th trumpet

Revelation 11:18
the nations were angry/Thy wrath is come
time -judge the dead
reward - saints


Paul's time - the day of Christ -not at hand
.....a crown is waiting for him....till time He judges the dead....great tribulation
begins....little horn mouth is taken down when attacked by other nations....time is no longer...7th trumpet sounds....time to judge the dead...reward the saints/Paul

the 7th seal is not yet opened

Your theories are more mixed up than any writer on any thread I have ever read.

Why do you find it SO DIFFICULT to picture a scroll rolled up and sealed with 7 seals. The scroll is NOT GOING to be opened until all 7 seals are opened first.

Yet in your bogus theories, you insist that things written inside the book or scroll happen before the 7th seal is opened. That is simply IMPOSSIBLE. It is BOGUS. Your theory is in error. How many other ways can I say it?

NOTHING from chapter 8 on, meaning chapters 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 - NOTHING in these chapters is going to happen until the 7th seal is opened SO THAT the book itself can be unrolled, read, and those events then take place.

Therefore, any time you bring something from those chapters back before the 7th seal, we all know your theory is BOGUS. I can only guess, you are attempting to teach others your false theories. Is that wise?

In chapter 11, when we read: "the nations were angry/Thy wrath is come"

Do you imagine this is where God's wrath begins? What about the 6th seal that came before and the DAY of His wrath started? Are you trying to separate "wrath" from the "day of His wrath?" Forget it: they are speaking of the say thing.

Perhaps you did not know, in "thy wrath is come" john uses Greek Aorist tense verbs. These verbs cannot tell time! There is no timing in them at all - whatsoever. In English we think "is come" means it just now came. But in Greek, all we know is, God is angry. He has wrath. But we don't know from this verse where it started. However, we know it started at the 6th seal.

Then when John wrote that it was time to judge the dead: do you imagine this judging is done RIGHT THERE when the 7th trumpet is sounded? No! These are prophecies of what is SOON to come. For example, we know from other verses that the wicked dead are judged over a thousand years AFTER the righteous are judged.

 

[iamlamad]

John shows that the great trib time is over before the 7th trumpet sounds.

time - no longer

God is repenting of the evil against Israel -and bringing mercy on her and her land.
Time to soon judge the dead -reward the saints/including the 5th seal martyrs of the great tribulation.

This is just as bogus - no, it is even worse - FAR FAR from truth. You must not even know what will cause the days of GT. It will be the image people are forced to bow down to - or die, and it will be the mark people are forced to receive - or die. These things are what will cause the days of GT. No one wants to lose their head. No one wants to be thirsty or hungry. But without the mark, no one can buy or sell.

It is therefore the great pressure put upon people: die of thirst - or take the mark. Go hungry or take the mark. Bow down and take the mark, and live. Refuse and die. And there will be no place to hide. And it will most likely be in all nations of the world. So Jesus said there will never, ever, be a time like this.

So WHERE in Revelation does John pinpoint this time? First, Jesus said it would be AFTER the midpoint of the week - so after chapter 11. Then in chapter 14 we see God warning people not to take the mark - so we KNOW it will be after God's warning. Therefore, the TRUTH IS: the days of great tribulation Jesus spoke of will come AFTER the warning in chapter 14.

Then we see the beheaded begin to show up in chapter 15. Please tell us then, why in the world you would write such nonsense as "the great trib time is over before the 7th trumpet sounds."

You write nonsense. The 7th trumpet marks the MIDPOINT. Ever Jesus told us the days of GT would be AFTER the midpoint.

"time - no longer" is really a poor translation. There is a thousand years (TIME) after this. A better translation tells us there will be no longer and DELAY in time.

Finally, the 5th seal martyrs are CHURCH AGE martyrs: the 70th week or "trib" does not start until the 7th seal is opened so that the BOOK can be opened to reveal "the trib."

 

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[iamlamad]

Jesus Christ never said anything in that prophecy as to the midpoint of the week. He never even mentioned a week. He told how you are to go to the prophecy of Daniel -read it - understand. Jesus Christ told how that abomination occurs and then the great tribulation time begins.
This makes us go to Daniel 11 and see the abomination happens...and later comes that king speaking great things...and enters into the glorious land. He first seems to go back to his own land and honor others as god. He then gains many ships and comes against countries as a whirlwind. Now, he will scatter Israel. He will conquer nations.
Jesus Christ told that immediately after this time of such as never was - as in the abomination - and we can see that means also the time of the little horn is over - the sun shall be darkened...the stars fall...the powers of the heaven are shaken....the sign of the Son of man in heaven...He had told before He was murdered for our sins that He will be seen sitting on the right hand of power and coming in great glory and power.

I think you don't read close enough. Did Jesus mention the abomination of desolation - quoting from Daniel? Did Jesus tell those in Judea to flee when they SEE this abomination?

Did Daniel tell us what would divide the week into two equal halves?
Did Paul tell us what would CAUSE that abomination?

The answer is YES to all of those questions. In Revelation we can pinpoint the second they begin to flee: Rev. 12:6. We can know from the other scriptures that 12:6 is a second or two after the man of sin enters the temple and declares that he is God. The daily sacrifices must cease at that moment. The week is divided into two halves at that moment.

While I was reading Daniel 9:27, when my eyes and my mind got to the word "midst" Jesus spoke to me and I heard these words: "you could find that exact midpoint 'clearly marked' in the book of Revelation." Then had added, "in fact, you could find the entire 70th week clearly marked." When He said that, suddenly I knew HOW I would find the entire 70th week: the "marker" God used for the midpoint would be the SAME MARKER used to start the week and end the week.

God gave us five events that start at the midpoint and go to the end of the week, and in every one mentioned the 3 1/2 year period of time. Therefore, the exact midpoint MUST BE in chapters 11 through 13 where these five mentions of the last half of the week are found.

Since I knew the exact midpoint was "clearly marked" I backed up from 12:6 when they fled and looked for a marker used 2 other times. In fact, the only main-line event of seals - trumpets - vials working back from 12:6 is the 7th trumpet. I realized, God used the 7 for a marker. I rushed to the 7th vial and read the last three words: "it is done." I knew at that moment I had found what Jesus sent me to find. I rushed to the 7th seal, and found 30 minutes of silence. I thought: what a great way for God to being the 7 years of judgment upon Israel and the world.

Therefore, YES, Jesus did tell us where the midpoint was - just not in so many words.

NOT Daniel 11, but rather Daniel 9:27 where Daniel TELLS us there will be one week.

In Daniel 11, when the sanctuary is polluted, it is speaking of Antiochus Epiphanes, the the Beast of Rev. 13.

The ships of Chittim is referring to ROME coming against Antiochus. Rome FORCES Antiochus to retreat. He did NOT want to go to war with Rome!

Just so you know, when Daniel gets to 11:36 finally he is speaking of the Beast of Rev. 13.

"we can see that means also the time of the little horn is over" Over? Where on earth did you get that idea? In Daniel, from verse 36 on, it is the Beast of Revelation or the Little Horn of Daniel 7 - same person. Turn the page to Daniel 12:1: that is right after the abomination and into the days Jesus spoke of as a time of great tribulation such as never was on the earth.

You are missing something: there will be TWO times the signs in the sun and moon are seen: first as the sign of the coming DAY of the Lord - as seen in Rev. 6: it is BEFORE the 70th week begins and as a warning it is about to begin. But this time the moon is SEEN and it is red.

In Revelation then, the week begins at the 7th seal, and the trumpets take up the first half of the week, the 7th trumpet marking the midpoint. Then the vials come in the last half of the week, and finally at the 7th vial, the week is ended. Then Jesus said AFTER that, signs in the sun and moon, but this time they are invisible: darkness upon the earth.

You would be wise to throw all your theories into the trash and start over: this time start in Revelation and BELIEVE it - just as it is written.

 

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[iamlamad]

What time do you think the people in Rev. 7 are getting sealed for? Of course for the immediate future time of the trumpet judgments.
When are they to be protected? During the trumpet judgments.
Are they the same ones mentioned in the time of the 5th trumpet? Yes, of course.

So, the 144,000 get sealed to survive a time of four corners when the winds are being held back so as not to scatter Israel. Sort of: the trumpet judgments are the begin the HURT of the earth. The sealing angel told them they must WAIT (hold back on the trumpet judgments) until the 144,000 are sealed. The "four corners" tell us that the Day of the Lord judgments will be world wide (in my opinion). God's plan for Israel during the Day of the Lord is to completely shatter their power - not "scatter" (Daniel 12)

...he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads"

Notice: the first trumpet judgment hurts the TREES. The trumpet judgments begin with the Old Testament prophets tell us: the Day of the Lord is to destroy the earth and the sinners living on the earth.

God brings the four winds upon lands when He is getting ready to have them removed from that land. No, the four winds represent God's plan to begin destroying the earth. The 4 corners represent the entire earth, not just the Middle East. NO ONE is being "removed from that land" at this time.The "winds" do not begin this destruction: the trumpet judgments do that. The winds are symbolic of destruction.

Later, John tells us that he heard numbers. He knows, even without seeing a single person get sealed, that these numbers link up with that Rev. 7 time. We don't know if John saw or did not see any of this sealing being accomplished. He could have seen it beginning. We cannot just assume he did not see. The number "144,000" has NO "link" to chapter 7. The truth is, there are two events that MUST take place before the 7th seal is opened to officially start the 70th week of Daniel: the sealing must take place, and the church must be raptured to the safety of heaven.

How does he know this? It is because he saw the set of angels that would seal the people, and knows that the trouble can't begin until they get done. He then in heaven sees that same set of angels standing before God, and knows that they were the ones that had the job of sealing the people. How can you say this when it is not written? You have NO IDEA if these are the same angels. Chances are VERY GOOD then are different angels. Can you prove by scripture they are the same very angels who did the sealing? I cannot count "7" angels in the sealing passage.

John was to write down what he saw. In Rev. 7, as it opens, he saw two sets of angels. one set of four - stands, the other set moves about, and one of them spoke to the set of four that must stay standing where they are or the wind will blow....as in scatter the people. No, as in destroying the earth.
The whirlwind of Daniel 11 is coming soon. It is a king with an army LIKE a whirlwind.
The little horn with a mouth that speaks great things.

In Rev. 7, some are protected....from what?
from being scattered from the time of the 5th trumpet NO NO NO! Why on earth can't you just read the passage? There is NO SCATTERING at the 5th trumpet. That is the stinging locusts. Their purpose is to TORTURE people. The word "scatter" is NOT IN Revelation.

Why? Because others are going to come out of great tribulation. This makes no sense.

The 7th seal has not yet been opened. True: it will officially open the 70th week.
Rev. 7 is a separate vision, and was not shown as the opening time of a seal in the sealed book. How do you know it is a separate vision? John does not tell us this? Are you making this up?

144,000 sealed...angels return to give their report Show us this is scripture - in Revelation scripture. If you can't, STOP making stuff up! You cannot assume, because angels made a report in the Old Testament that it will happen again!

....5th trumpet....multitude out of great tribulation in white robes- they were given to martyrs in the time of the 5th seal...that have to rest till all of the others like them get killed

You CANNOT back up in Revelation and say something from one chapter is at the time of something in a previous chapter. TIME MOVES ON. Did you not read that the stinging locusts are NOT ALLOWS to KILL? Where on earth do you come up with this nonsense? The sealing is AFTER the 6th trumpet judgment is finished. The 6th trumpet comes AFTER the 5th judgment (5 months) has finished.

The truth is, that great crowd seen in heaven - has NOTHING TO DO with any trumpet judgment. Go back and read 1 Thes. 4 & 5 and you will discover that Paul's rapture comes an instant before the 6th seal that begins the DAY. That great crowd was raptured just before the 6th seal and then John saw them in heaven shortly after.

6th seal....the stars -fall
the moon becomes blood
Only now can the church get her change....as she is to here until the day of the Lord - in the day of the Lord -
That day, per Joel, will not begin till after the moon is blood. Only Pall tells us the rapture comes BEFORE the Day of the Lord. You have it backwards.

2 Thess. 2 - that the day of Christ is at hand
our gathering
The gathering and the things that occur prior to the day of Christ -our gathering cannot be the same time as those except they occur scenes there is no gathering.
"Day of Christ' - "Day of the Lord" SAME DAY because Christ is Lord.

our gathering - the rapture
will not come except - first
a falling away -defection from the truth
and
that man of sin be revealed
sitteth in the temple

WRONG! It is the catching away, the "departing" of the church that must come first.

Tyndale translation: 2 Thes. 2:3 Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor. 1:8
1Th 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
the day of the Lord
sudden destruction comes upon them=the wicked start to get destroyed, not the church, not Israel
The peace and safety group -will get sudden destruction.
This happens after the moon turns to blood.
the day of the Lord - comes like a thief
The wicked are not setting off just then to go scatter Israel. They are being destroyed...God's wrath is starting. not the time of the wrath of the dragon, nor the little horn
The time to flee from the face of the little horn is over. The time to flee from the face of God is beginning!

The DAY.............

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

"one day" (NKJV)
"one day" occurs 26 times in 25 verses in the NKJV.

Esther 3:13
And the letters were sent by couriers into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to annihilate all the Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day,
on the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month of Adar, and to plunder their possessions.[fn]

Isaiah 9:14
Therefore the LORD will cut off head and tail from Israel,
Palm branch and bulrush in one day.
Isaiah 10:17
So the Light of Israel will be for a fire,
And His Holy One for a flame;
It will burn and devour
His thorns and his briers in one day.
[Revelation 18:8]
Isaiah 47:9
But these two things shall come to you
In a moment, in one day:
The loss of children, and widowhood.
They shall come upon you in their fullness
Because of the multitude of your sorceries,
For the great abundance of your enchantments.
Zechariah 14:7
It shall be one day
Which is known to the LORD—Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light.
Ezekiel 39:7
“So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore.
Then the nations shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Isaiah 10:17
So the Light of Israel will be for a fire,
And His Holy One for a flame;
It will burn and devour
His thorns and his briers in one day.
Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;
therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.


Revelation 18:8
“Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine.
And she will be utterly burned with fire,
for strong is the Lord God who judges[fn] her.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.....
the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers, and foreigners from all parts, so that the whole nation may be considered as having been shut up in one prison, preparatory to the execution of the Divine vengeance...............

Meanwhile the Temple continued burning, until at length, vast as was its size, the flames completely enveloped the, whole building ; which, from the extent of the conflagration, impressed the distant spectator with an idea that the whole city was now on fire. The tumult and disorder which ensued upon this event, it is impossible (says Josephus) for language to describe.
The Roman legions made the most horrid outcries ; the rebels, finding themselves exposed to the fury of both fire and sword, screamed dreadfully ; while the unhappy people who were pent up between the enemy and the flames, deplored their situation in the most pitiable complaints............



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[vinsight4u]

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[iamlamad]

ex.

that day - the day of our unwrapping gifts shall not come except that comes first
fall....and Thanksgiving dinner that sits on the table....

2 Thess. 2
the day of our gathering - the day of Christ

shall not come except....first...a falling away.....and man of sin...

You want a falling away to mean - our gathering
and that falling away part is a separation...and happens before the
day of Christ.

Apostasia was translated several times before the KJV as the departing.

Take careful note: in verse 3b the man of sin IS revealed, meaning that in verse 3a the one restraining must be "taken out of the way." This fits perfectly with the church being taken out of the way by way of the rapture. In any cause, whatever meaning you put to "apostasia" it MUST BE the one restraining being taken out of the way.

Does a "falling away" fit the restrainer?