vinsight4u said in post #148:
How many times do you think men hide in the rocks, or the heaven departs as a scroll, or the stars of heaven fall?
They each happen only one time in all of Revelation.
But note that other books show things which are not in Revelation.
vinsight4u said in post #148:
The great tribulation ends before the stars fall.
That's right with regard to Matthew 24:29, but not with regard to Revelation 6:13, which will be part of only the first stage of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. See the "chronological" part of post #63 above.
vinsight4u said in post #148:
Isaiah 34 and Isaiah 2 both show that the day of His wrath has started by the time of the other two events.
Isaiah 34 will not be fulfilled until the future, Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), after the future Millennium (Revelation 20:7-15). See the "Isaiah 34" part of post #139 above.
Isaiah 2:10-21 will not be fulfilled until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming. See the "Isaiah 2:10" part of post #141 above.
vinsight4u said in post #148:
It will be the day of the Lord when heaven and earth shakes...and heaven departs as a scroll.
Revelation 6 won't be the Day of the Lord, because the latter will not start until the Second Coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8). See the "2 Thessalonians 2:2" part of post #141 above. And there is no Second Coming in Revelation 6. Instead, the former doesn't occur until much later, in Revelation 19.
vinsight4u said in post #148:
That is the same day the church is not in darkness to. She will be leaving when the day of the Lord comes.
What do you mean by "leaving"?
Do you mean that the rapture will take Christians all the way into the third heaven (of 2 Corinthians 12:2b)? If so, note that nothing in the Bible requires that Christians will be raptured any higher than the clouds of the sky (the first heaven) to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus Christ at His future, Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). After that meeting, in which the Church will be judged by Jesus (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27), and the obedient part of the Church will be married to Jesus (Revelation 19:7, Matthew 25:1-13), the obedient part of the Church will come back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:15-21) to physically reign on the earth with Him for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). After the 1,000 years and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15, Ezekiel chapters 38-39) the obedient part of the Church will then live on a New Earth, as in a new surface for the earth, with God the Father and Jesus in the literal city of New Jerusalem (Revelation chapters 21-22).
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There are three literal heavens (2 Corinthians 12:2b). The first heaven is the sky, the atmosphere, in which the birds fly (Genesis 1:20b). The second heaven is outer space, where the sun, moon, and stars reside (Deuteronomy 4:19). Where God resides is the third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2b, Revelation 4:1-2). And so it is beyond outer space, in the sense of it being in a higher (a fourth) spatial dimension. And it is a physical place. For Jesus Christ ascended there in His physical resurrection body (Acts 1:9-11, Luke 24:39). And the apostle Paul said that he could have visited there in his mortal, physical body (2 Corinthians 12:2). Also, Elijah and Enoch were taken up there in their mortal, physical bodies (2 Kings 2:11, Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5). And God's future, Two Witnesses will be taken up there in their mortal, physical bodies (Revelation 11:11-12).
In the third heaven there is currently a literal city, 1,500 miles cubed (Revelation 21:16), called New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), the heavenly Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22), the Jerusalem which is above (Galatians 4:26), and God the Father's house (John 14:2, Revelation 21:2-3). In the future, God will create a New Earth (a new surface for the earth) and a New Heaven (a new first heaven/atmosphere for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will come down in New Jerusalem from the third heaven to live with Christians on the New Earth (Revelation 21:2-3, Revelation 3:12b). It is New Jerusalem which has the literal pearly gates and streets of gold (Revelation 21:21) which Christians ascribe to heaven. So what Christians think of as heaven, in the sense of living in bliss with God, will eventually be on the New Earth.
Currently, the third heaven is where paradise is (2 Corinthians 12:2,4). And paradise is where obedient Christians go when they die (Luke 23:43,46). So obedient Christians go to the third heaven when they die. Also, paradise is where the literal tree of life is (Revelation 2:7). And the tree of life is in New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:2). So when obedient Christians go to paradise, they go to New Jerusalem.
The earth's third heaven could be high above the north pole. Compare the connection between heaven and the north in Isaiah 14:13, KJV. Regarding what we today call "the northern lights", even though they can be explained by physics, they could still point to the location of the glory of the earth's third heaven. And Psalm 48:2's reference to the north could refer to the location of New Jerusalem in heaven.
vinsight4u said in post #148:
The two witnesses were already slain, and rise in the 6th seal.
Note that nothing says or requires that.
Also, the future raising of God's Two Witnesses' physical bodies from the dead (Revelation 11:11) will not occur at the Church's resurrection into physical immortality at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53), but will be like, for example, the past resuscitation of the physical bodies of Lazarus and Tabitha (John 11:43-44, Acts 9:36-40). And the future, physical ascension of the Two Witnesses into heaven (Revelation 11:12) will not occur at the Church's physical rapture at the Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), but will be like, for example, the past ascension of the physical bodies of Elijah and Enoch into heaven (2 Kings 2:11, Hebrews 11:5).
For the Two Witnesses' physical resuscitation and ascension will occur at one point during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 as part of the second woe/sixth trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13), before the Tribulation's seventh trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:15). And then out of the seventh trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the seven plagues of the seven vials of God's wrath (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the Tribulation's final stage (Revelation 16). But the Church's physical resurrection into immortality and then its being raptured (gathered together to Jesus) will not occur until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30-31), which will not occur until after the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), after the seventh-and-last vial has been completed (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6).
Also, God's future, Two Witnesses, like Elijah and Enoch did (and also like the apostles Paul and John each did, temporarily, at one point during their lifetime: 2 Corinthians 12:2,7, Revelation 4:1-2), will ascend all the way into the third heaven (Revelation 11:12). But the Church will be raptured only as high as the clouds of the sky (the first heaven), to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus Christ at His Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).
At that meeting, Jesus Christ will judge everyone in the Church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27) by their works (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6-8, Luke 12:45-48, Matthew 25:19-30). And then Jesus will marry in the clouds the obedient part of the Church (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), those in the Church (of all times) who "overcame" to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). They will then mount white horses and come back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as He defeats the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and the world's armies (Revelation 19:15-21). Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the physically-resurrected and married obedient part of the Church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54). Jesus and the obedient part of the Church will then physically reign on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).
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vinsight4u said in post #149:
This makes him the little horn of Daniel 7 and Rev. 13 - he speaks great things.
He has 42 months, and it not around, but dead, before the time of the first vial is even poured.
Note that that is not the case, for he will be cast alive into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20) after the last vial is poured out (Revelation 19:2).
That is, only after the destruction of Revelation's symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" at the seventh vial, the final event of the future Tribulation (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2) of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, will Jesus Christ return from heaven and defeat the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"). Also, this will be the same return when Jesus will rapture (gather together) and marry the Church (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
vinsight4u said in post #149:
The beast of the sea mouth will continue on to be taken down at the battle at the end of chapter 19.
Note that Revelation 19:20 refers to
both the future Antichrist and his False Prophet, who is the beast from the sea (Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13). See also the "False Prophet" parts of post #53 above.
