Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?

Could the Great City in Revelation be symbolizing the Lake of Fire?

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LittleLambofJesus

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First of all, the phrase "lake of fire" is used in only 5 verses of the entire Bible, and those in 3 chapters of Revelation.

"lake of fire" occurs 4 times in 4 verses

Revelation 19:20
and is arrested<4084> Beast<2342>, and with it the False-Prophet<5578>, the one-doing the signs in view of it, in which he deceives<4105> the ones getting the mark of the beast, and the ones worshiping to the image of it.
Living were cast, the two, into the Lake of the Fire the one burning<2545> in sulfur <2303>

Revelation 20:
10 And the Devil, the one-deceiving<4105> them, was cast into the Lake of the Fire and of sulfur<2303>, the where-are the beast and the false-prophet,
and they shall be being tormented<928> day and night into the ages of the ages.
14 And the Death and the Hades<86> were cast into the Lake of the Fire.
This the Death, the second-one, is being the Lake of the Fire .
15 And if anyone not was found in the Book of the Life having been written
, he was cast into the Lake of the Fire.

Revelation 21:8
To the yet fearful and faithless and ones being abominated and murderers, and paramours<4205>, and enchanters<5333>, and idolaters<1496>, and to-all falsifiers<5571>,
the part of them in the Lake, the one burning<2545> Fire<4442> and sulphur<2306>, which is being the Death, the second-one.

Here is a little info gathered off the net:

Lake of fire - Wikipedia
A lake of fire appears, in both ancient Egyptian and Christian religion, as a place of after-death destruction of the wicked. The phrase is used in four verses of the Book of Revelation. Such a lake also appears in Plato's Phaedo, explicitly identified with Tartarus, where the souls of the wicked are tormented until it is time for them to be reborn, and where some souls are left forever.

The image was also used by the Early Christian Hippolytus of Rome in about the year 200 and has continued to be used by modern Christians. Related is Jewish Gehenna which, among other things, like hell, is a valley near Jerusalem where trash was burned.

The Book of Revelation, written some time in the last half of the first century AD, has five verses that mention a "lake of fire":

Revelation 19:20: "And the beast[6] was taken, and with him the false prophet[7] that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Revelation 20:14-15 "Then Death and Hades[8] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire." [NKJV]
Revelation 21:8 "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."[9]
A commonly accepted and traditional interpretation is that the "lake of fire" and the "second death" are symbolic of eternal pain, pain of loss and perhaps pain of the senses, as punishment for wickedness

Twentieth century
The Catholic Portuguese visionary Lúcia Santos reported that the Virgin Mary (Our Lady of Fatima) had given her a vision of Hell[citation needed] as a sea of fire:

"Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in a huge fire, without weight or equilibrium, and amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear."[20]
Universalist eschatology
Early Christian Universalists, most notably Origen of Alexandria (c. 184 – c. 253), and Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335 – c. 395), understood the lake of fire as a symbolic purifying fire used to eliminate the dross from the gold, [21] aka a "refiner's crucible". Origin refers to the "lead of wickedness" that must be refined out of the gold.[22] Origen obtained his Universalist views, known then as apocatastasis,[23] from his mentor Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 – c. 215),[24] who was a student of Pantaenus.

Further evidence that corroborates their understanding that the Lake of fire is a "refiner's crucible" is that the Greek word commonly translated as "lake" also refers to something small, like a pond[28] or a "pool", as translated in the New American Bible (NABRE)[29].

Also, the added detail of "sulfur" in the lake of fire is related to an ancient gold refining technique. Gold refining by sulphurization, also related to Gold parting, is described in detail by ancient writers.[30][31][32][33] When unwanted metals, such as lead and copper, are heated in the presence of sulfur, the chemical reaction reduces the unwanted metals into sulfides, such as Lead(II) sulfide and Copper(I) sulfide. Since sulfur is a much lighter element, atomic number 16 on periodic table, the new sulfide molecules easily float to the top of the crucible as dross. Sulfur is also part of the smelting process related to silver and gold and other metal ores and naturally occurs in these ores.
Posts I have posted:
Post #1
"LAKE OF FIRE" VERSES

Post #11
G3041 limne "LAKE" IN BIBLE

Post #19
G3042. limos"LAKE/Famine" IN BIBLE [part 2]

Post #20
G4442 "FIRE" IN NT

Post #24
H784 "FIRE" HEBREW

Post #58
G2303 BRIMSTONE/SULFUR

Post #62
H1614 BRIMSTONE/SULFUR HEBREW Genesis 19:24 Revelation 9:17-18 and 14:10

Post #64
2 different Jerusalems in Bible G2414 G2419

Post #70
G4451 purosis

Post #72
"In Swiftness" In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>

Post #74
"the Time is nigh" egguV <1451>

Post #75
Days of Vengeance Isaiah 61:2 Luke 21:22

Post #77
G4448 (from G4442) "fired/refined" Revelation 1:15 Revelation 3:18

Post #81
The Woman/Great City/Jezebel Revelation 17

Post #83
G1067 "GEHENNA" in the NT Matthew 23:33 [Location in Jerusalem, south of Mount Zion]

Post #83
"GEHENNA" IN THE OT
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If you read all the specifics of that city and the judgment of it you will have a hard time making your view stick unless you already symbolize everything else in the book. The merchants weep for her destruction for they were made rich through trading with her and no one is able to buy the luxury goods anymore. Her men are great merchants of the earth The whole world committed fornication with her and she exported sorcery, and killed many. There is no economy in the grave and the destruction comes in a single day. How can you destroy the place that is the lake of fire in a day? The US is the most likely candidate as if you look at the largest trading cities and the splendor of them they have all been made rich trading with the US. Look up Dubai, Hong Kong, Shang Hai, Taiwan, Seoul, Tokyo, all across the board. The heart of the Illuminati secret societies is in the US and the UN is the structure for global government has been funded and created by the US. The drug culture, inappropriate content and material culture also come from the US with the music industry also influencing the culture into new age satanism and the occult. The world is on a dollar system and the day the dollar collapses the US cannot fall in isolation but will take down the whole world financial system. This is what the seal judgments show that a days wage is a quart of wheat and peace is taken from the earth. Note the seals are at the beginning of the Trib and the mark of the beast is not put in until there are only 42 months to go. If we are close the US fits perhaps NYC more precisely. If you look at Zech 6 and look up Statute of Liberty Zech 6 you will see Babylon called Shinar in those days describes the statue exactly.
 
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If you read all the specifics of that city and the judgment of it you will have a hard time making your view stick unless you already symbolize everything else in the book....
The US is the most likely candidate as if you look at the largest trading cities and the splendor of them they have all been made rich trading with the US. Look up Dubai, Hong Kong, Shang Hai, Taiwan, Seoul, Tokyo, all across the board. The heart of the Illuminati secret societies is in the US and the UN is the structure for global government has been funded and created by the US..... If we are close the US fits perhaps NYC more precisely. If you look at Zech 6 and look up Statute of Liberty Zech 6 you will see Babylon called Shinar in those days describes the statue exactly.
That view has been around awhile.
Possibly conjured up by some anti-American zionist communist Christians............
Reminds me of this quote in a favorite movie of mine :)

Derek Flint:

"Say, why does that eagle attack me"?
Derek Flint:
"An anti-American eagle. It's diabolical".


And there is this thread:

Babylon - The Boiling Pot and The Melting Pot




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Luke 13:34
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!"

Revelation 18
23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
 
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Luke 13:34
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!"

Revelation 18
23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
Yes indeed!.......Thanks for posting that.

Matthew also mentions that verse.

"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation
Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!........
38 “See! Your house is left to you desolate;<2049>
Luke 13:34
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!......
35 “See! Your house is left to you desolate;<2049>

Revelation 18:
17 ‘For in one hour such great riches came to nothing<2048>.’..........
19 .......... ‘Alas, alas, that great City, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by Her wealth!
For in one hour She is made desolate<2049>.’

2049. eremoo er-ay-mo'-o from 2048; to lay waste (literally or figuratively):--(bring to, make) desolate(-ion), come to nought.
G2048 (NKJV) occurs 5 times in 5 verses



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The heart mind connection represents the cities conditions, But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; (Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.) but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory:
(I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us).
for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. seeing we are also called God's temple, Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Matthew 11- This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile.


John was in Spirit so you either read it spiritually as allegorical symbolism or try and apply it to historical warnings about literal kingdoms that traditions based on judging by appearance serve out as spiritual kingdom truth, He will not judge by appearance (And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation) nor make a decision based on hearsay ... And he will not be guided in his judging by what he sees, or give decisions by the hearing ...

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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It's all symbolism,
 
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That view has been around awhile.
Possibly conjured up by some anti-American zionist communist Christians............
Reminds me of this quote in a favorite movie of mine :)

Derek Flint:

"Say, why does that eagle attack me"?
Derek Flint:
"An anti-American eagle. It's diabolical".


And there is this thread:

Babylon - The Boiling Pot and The Melting Pot
hi I love the our man flint clip... My wife quotes that movie to me often, I am not a pleasure unit." The reason it has been around for a while is it fits. if you played 20 questions and used the clues who esle made the merchants wealthy and so forth?
 
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No, the great city is Rome.
No, John is talking about the city of Jerusalem. John already TOLD US what the great city was - where Jesus was crucified. Period and end of story.
 
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No, John is talking about the city of Jerusalem. John already TOLD US what the great city was - where Jesus was crucified. Period and end of story.

Jesus was crucified in Rome by Romans. Does Jerusalem have seven hills?
 
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The Greek word for LAKE<3041>, as shown in Revelation, is used in 2 chapters of Luke [5 verses] and 3 chapters of Revelation [5 verses]
This site shows the word used in various Bible versions, [which I haven't yet studied on]:

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

3041. limne λίμνη (limnē) probably from 3040 occurs 10 times in 10 verses
(through the idea of nearness of shore); a pond (large or small):--lake.

3 of the events that occur in these 2 chapters is the "catching of a boat load of fish", "Jesus calming the storm", and the event of the "Kamikaze swine/demons":


Luke 5:
1 And it came to pass, in the multitude pressing on Him to hear the word of God, that He was standing beside the lake<3041> of Gennesaret<1082>,
2 and He saw two boats standing beside the lake<3041>, and the fishers, having gone away from them, were washing the nets,
Luke 8:22
22 And it came to pass, on one of the days, that He Himself went into a boat with His disciples, and said unto them, 'We may go over to the other side of the lake<3041>;' and they set forth,
23 and as they are sailing he fell deeply asleep, and there came down a storm of wind to the lake<3041>, and they were filling, and were in peril.
33 and the demons having gone forth from the man, did enter into the swine, and the herd rushed down the steep to the lake<3041>, and were choked.
Luke 5:1 mentions the name of a lake: the lake of Gennesaret, which according to Matt and Luk, lies by the land of Gennesaret.

G1082. Gennesaret of Hebrew origin (compare H3672); Gennesaret (i.e. Kinnereth),
a lake and plain in Palestine:--Gennesaret.

Luke 5:1
And it came to pass, in the multitude pressing on him to hear the word of God, that he was standing beside the lake of Gennesaret<1082>(Gennēsaret),

Mark 6:53
And having passed over, they came upon the land of Gennesaret, and drew to the shore
1082. Gennesaret Γεννησαρέτ (Gennēsaret) occurs 3 times in 3 verses
of Hebrew origin (compare 3672); Gennesaret (i.e. Kinnereth),
a lake and plain in Palestine:--Gennesaret.


That word is vaguely similar to this Greek word "Gehenna":
1067. Geena γέεννα (geenna)of Hebrew origin (1516 and 2011);
valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:--hell.


Some interesting facts about Lake Gennesaret:

Sea of Galilee - Wikipedia
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Sea of Galilee - Kinneret
Basin countries Israel, Syria
Settlements Tiberias, Tel Katzir

The Sea of Galilee (Hebrew: יָם כִּנֶּרֶת‬, Judeo-Aramaic: יַמּא דטבריא, גִּנֵּיסַר, Arabic: بحيرة طبريا‎), Kinneret or Kinnereth,[3] Lake of Gennesaret, or Lake Tiberias, is a freshwater lake in Israel.
At levels between 215 metres (705 ft) and 209 metres (686 ft) below sea level,[5] it is the lowest freshwater lake on Earth and the second-lowest lake in the world (after the Dead Sea, a saltwater lake).[6] The lake is fed partly by underground springs although its main source is the Jordan River which flows through it from north to south.
All Old and New Testament writers use the term "sea" (Hebrew יָם yam, Greek θάλασσα), with the exception of Luke, [who calls it "the Lake of Gennesaret" (Luke 5:1)], from the Greek λίμνη Γεννησαρέτ (limnē Gennēsaret), the "Grecized form of Chinnereth" according to Easton (1897).[9]
 
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Jesus was crucified in Rome by Romans. Does Jerusalem have seven hills?

Wikipedia:

According to the New Testament, Jesus was crucified at a spot outside Jerusalem called Golgotha, which in Aramaic means “place of the skull.” The Latin word for skull is calvaria, and in English many Christians refer to the site of the crucifixion as Calvary.

Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.
 
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*snip* The merchants weep for her destruction for they were made rich through trading with her and no one is able to buy the luxury goods anymore. Her men are great merchants of the earth The whole world committed fornication with her and she exported sorcery, and killed many.
Yeah that is pretty interesting.
Sounds a lot like John 2 and Revelation 18..........

Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt
Nahum 3 mentions the sound of a whip:

Nahum 3:2 [John 2:14-15 Revelation 18:11-13]
A sound of a whip, and sound of a quaking wheel, and horse galloping, and chariot leaping. A horseman mounting. And blazing sword, and flashing spear, and many wounded and mass of corpses and there is no end to bodies
. [Isaiah 28 "scourge"]

Jesus is shown making a whip to drive out the sellers and money changers operating in the Temple:

John 2: [Nahum 3:2 Revelation 18:11]
14 and He found in the Temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting, [Revelation 18:11-13]
15 and having made a whip of small cords, He put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,


If you look up the Greek word #4127 used in Revelation as "plagues", you will see that word actually denotes a form of lashing, stripes, and is only used in Luke, Acts and 2 Corinthians outside of Revelation.........

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
4127.
plege play-gay' from 4141;
a blow, stripe: plural, Luke 10:30; Luke 10:43; Acts 16:23, 33; 2 Corinthians 6:5; 2 Corinthians 11:23; a wound: ἡ πληγή τοῦ θανάτου, deadly wound (R. V. death-stroke)
Strong's Number G4127 occurs 21 times in 20 verses

Revelation 15:1
And I another sign in the Heaven, great and marvelous.
Seven Messengers, having the seven last blows/stripes/plhgaV <4127>,
that in them is finished the fury of the God.

Look up a lot of the things mentioned in Revelation 18 and you will see they correspond to the OC Levitical Priesthood and Temple/Tabernacle/Sanctuary services


Revelation 18:
11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her,
that the cargo of them no-one is buying not-still
13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense
and wine and oil and flour and grain
and beasts and sheep and of horses
and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.


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No, the great city is Rome.
No, John is talking about the city of Jerusalem. John already TOLD US what the great city was - where Jesus was crucified. Period and end of story.
Jesus was crucified in Rome by Romans. Does Jerusalem have seven hills?
Wikipedia:

According to the New Testament, Jesus was crucified at a spot outside Jerusalem called Golgotha, which in Aramaic means “place of the skull.” The Latin word for skull is calvaria, and in English many Christians refer to the site of the crucifixion as Calvary.

Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.
I understand that Rome has seven hills as a matter of fact many cities have seven hills surrounding them. I in this case think these particular seven hills are in Jerusalem.
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Is it "mountains" or "hills"?

Revelation 16:20 -
and every island did flee away, and mountains were not found,
Revelation 17:9 -
'Here is the mind that is having wisdom;
the seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman doth sit,

Here we have the mountains of Israel mentioned [which is the great supper of God in Revelation 19]
Ezekiel 39:17 [Revelation 19:17-18]
"And thou son of adam!, thus says my Lord Yahweh, say thou! to bird of every wing, and to all of beast of the field 'be assembled<06908> ye! and come ye! together<0622ye from round about on sacrifice of Me which I sacrificing for ye, a great sacrifice on Mountains<2022 of Israel,
and ye eat flesh and ye drink blood. 18 Flesh of mighty-ones ye shall eat, and blood of princes of the Land ye shall drink.....
We have Jerusalem and Judah/Judea mentioned here:
Jeremiah 33:13
‘In the cities of the mountains, in the cities of the lowland, in the cities of the South, in the land of Benjamin, in the places around Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah/Judea,
Judea and Mountains<3735> mentioned here:

Matthew 24:16
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mark 13:14
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Luke 21:21
“Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,

The form of the Greek word <G3735> used in the above 3 verses occur in only 7 verses of the NT
G3735 (YLT)
Textus Receptus Occurrences
65x in 8 unique form(s)
ὄρει — 11x ὄρεσιν — 4x ὀρέων — 1x ὄρη — 8x ὄρος — 22x Ὄρος — 7x ὄρους — 10x
Ὄρους — 2x

G3735 ὄρος
Matthew 18:12, Matthew 24:16,
Mark 13:14,
Luke 21:21,
1 Corinthians 13:2,
Revelation 16:20 and Revelation 17:19




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That would make for an interesting thread.
Here we have the mountains of Israel mentioned [which is the great supper of God in Revelation 19]

Ezekiel 39:17 [Revelation 19:17-18]
"And thou son of adam!, thus says my Lord Yahweh, say thou! to bird of every wing, and to all of beast of the field 'be assembled<06908> ye! and come ye! together<0622ye from round about on sacrifice of Me which I sacrificing for ye, a great sacrifice on Mountains<2022 of Israel,
and ye eat flesh and ye drink blood. 18 Flesh of mighty-ones ye shall eat, and blood of princes of the Land ye shall drink.....

We have Jerusalem and Judah/Judea mentioned here:

Jeremiah 33:13
‘In the cities of the mountains, in the cities of the lowland, in the cities of the South, in the land of Benjamin, in the places around Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah/Judea,

Judea and Mountains<3735> mentioned here:

Matthew 24:16
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mark 13:14
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Luke 21:21
“Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,

The form of the Greek word <G3735> used in the above 3 verses occur in only 7 verses of the NT
G3735 (YLT)
Textus Receptus Occurrences
65x in 8 unique form(s)
ὄρει — 11x ὄρεσιν — 4x ὀρέων — 1x ὄρη — 8x ὄρος — 22x Ὄρος — 7x ὄρους — 10x
Ὄρους — 2x

G3735 ὄρος

Matthew 18:12, Matthew 24:16,
Mark 13:14,
Luke 21:21,
1 Corinthians 13:2,

Revelation 16:20
and Revelation 17:19

Revelation 16:20 -
and every island did flee away, and mountains were not found,

Revelation 17:9 -
'Here is the mind that is having wisdom;
the seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman doth sit,



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Rome is the city of seven hills.
 
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Wikipedia:

According to the New Testament, Jesus was crucified at a spot outside Jerusalem called Golgotha, which in Aramaic means “place of the skull.” The Latin word for skull is calvaria, and in English many Christians refer to the site of the crucifixion as Calvary.

Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

Jerusalem was under Roman rule in Jesus day. Rome is the only city known as the city of seven hills despite the fact that you strived to dig up this misinformation.
 
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That would make for an interesting thread.
Here we have the mountains of Israel mentioned [which is the great supper of God in Revelation 19]

Ezekiel 39:17 [Revelation 19:17-18]
"And thou son of adam!, thus says my Lord Yahweh, say thou! to bird of every wing, and to all of beast of the field 'be assembled<06908> ye! and come ye! together<0622ye from round about on sacrifice of Me which I sacrificing for ye, a great sacrifice on Mountains<2022 of Israel,
and ye eat flesh and ye drink blood. 18 Flesh of mighty-ones ye shall eat, and blood of princes of the Land ye shall drink.....

We have Jerusalem and Judah/Judea mentioned here:

Jeremiah 33:13
‘In the cities of the mountains, in the cities of the lowland, in the cities of the South, in the land of Benjamin, in the places around Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah/Judea,

Judea and Mountains<3735> mentioned here:

Matthew 24:16
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mark 13:14
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Luke 21:21
“Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,

The form of the Greek word <G3735> used in the above 3 verses occur in only 7 verses of the NT
G3735 (YLT)
Textus Receptus Occurrences
65x in 8 unique form(s)
ὄρει — 11x ὄρεσιν — 4x ὀρέων — 1x ὄρη — 8x ὄρος — 22x Ὄρος — 7x ὄρους — 10x
Ὄρους — 2x

G3735 ὄρος

Matthew 18:12, Matthew 24:16,
Mark 13:14,
Luke 21:21,
1 Corinthians 13:2,

Revelation 16:20
and Revelation 17:19

Revelation 16:20 -
and every island did flee away, and mountains were not found,

Revelation 17:9 -
'Here is the mind that is having wisdom;
the seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman doth sit,



.

Just because Israel has mountains doesn’t make it the city of seven hills. Every country has mountains. The only city of seven hills is Rome.
 
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Jerusalem was under Roman rule in Jesus day. Rome is the only city known as the city of seven hills despite the fact that you strived to dig up this misinformation.

I understand that Rome has seven hills as a matter of fact many cities have seven hills surrounding them. I in this case think these particular seven hills are in Jerusalem.
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The Lake<3041> of the Fire
This will conclude the study on the "lake" used in Revelation.

There are 2 other forms of the greek word for lake, all 3 having the same 1st 3 letters:
Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results

3041. limne probably from 3040 (through the idea of nearness of shore); a pond (large or small):--lake.

3040. limen apparently a primary word; [Compare 2568]. Occurs 3 times in 2 verses
a harbor:--haven.[ 2568. Kaloi Limenes plural of 2570 and 3040; Good Harbors, i.e. Fairhaven, a bay of Crete:--fair havens.]
3042. limos probably from 3007
(through the idea of destitution); a scarcity of food:--dearth, famine, hunger.


G3042 means "FAMINE", and also has the same 1st 3 letters as the former 2 Greek words.
G3042 (YLT)
is used in all 3 verses of the Jerusalem/Temple discourses in the Gospels

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 harmonized
Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
7 'For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places;
Luke 21:11
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,
11 great earthquakes also in places, and famines, and pestilences, there shall be; fearful things also, and great signs from heaven there shall be;
Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
8 for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles; beginnings of sorrows are these.
The single word "famine" only occurs in Luke, Acts, Romans, 2 Corinthians and 2 verses in Revelation

Revelation 6:8
and I saw, and behold! a pale horse, and he who is sitting upon him -- his name is the Death, and the Hades doth follow with him,
and there was given to them authority to kill, (over the fourth part of the land,) with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the beasts of the land.
Revelation 18:8
“Therefore Her stripes/blows will come in one day—death and mourning and famine.
And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[fn] her.
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Revelation 19:20
living were cast, the two, into the Lake of the Fire the one burning<2545> in sulphur<2303>.
Revelation 20:
10 And the devil the one-deceiving them, was cast into the Lake of the Fire and of sulfur,..........
14 And the Death and the Hades were cast into the Lake of the Fire..........
15 ................he was cast into the Lake of the Fire.
Revelation 21:8
the part of them in the Lake, the one burning to Fire and to sulphur............

Next up, we look at the word "fire" #G4442.
I would first like to post the different derivatives of it.
It is shown as a primary root word that other words are formed from:

4442. pur poor a primary word;
"fire" (literally or figuratively, specially, lightning):--fiery, fire.

4443.
pura poo-rah' from 4442; a fire (concretely):--fire.
4445. puresso poo-res'-so from 4443; to be on fire, i.e. (specially), to have a fever:--be sick of a fever.
4446. puretos poo-ret-os' from 4445; inflamed, i.e. (by implication) feverish (as noun, fever):--fever.
4447. purinos poo'-ree-nos from 4443; fiery, i.e. (by implication) flaming:--of fire.
4448. puroo poo-ro'-o from 4442; to kindle, i.e. (passively) to be ignited, glow (literally), be refined (by implication), or (figuratively) to be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust):--burn, fiery, be on fire, try.
4449. purrhazo poor-hrad'-zo from 4450; to redden (intransitively):--be red.
4450. purrhos poor-hros' from 4442; fire-like, i.e. (specially), flame- colored:--red.
4451. purosis poo'-ro-sis from 4448; ignition, i.e. (specially), smelting (figuratively, conflagration, calamity as a test):--burning, trial.

The TR shows there are 6 unique forms of that word:

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
4442. pur poor a primary word; "fire" (literally or figuratively, specially, lightning):--fiery, fire.
Strong's Number G4442 matches the Greek πῦρ (pyr), occurs 74 times in 73 verses
mGNT — 71x in 5 unique form(s) TR — 74x in 6 unique form(s)

The 1st time they are used in the Gospels:

Matthew 3:10
“And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees.
Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Luke 3:9
“And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees.
Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”

It only occurs in 1 verse of John:


John 15:6
“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.


This verse is concerning a man who brought his son to Jesus who had a mute spirit

Mark 9:22
“And often he has thrown him both into the fire and into the water to destroy him. But if Thou can do anything, have compassion on us and help us.”


1st time in Revelation:

Revelation 1:14
His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow,
and His eyes like a flame of fire;


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