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It's not there..I did please re-read.
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It's not there..I did please re-read.
It's not there..
That is the binding of Satan, not the kingdom. He attacks the kingdom (still here) when the 1000 years end.'fraid it is we see that Satan is bound for the 1,000 years and after the 1,000 years is loosed to deceive the nations once more...that won't happen in heaven will it.
Dispensationalism preaches the national salvation of all of Israel's Jews in Zechariah 12.Daniel in ch.12 speaks about the resurrection and says specifically of the Jews those who are righteous will shine as the sun and turn many unto righteousness [your doctrine denies that] and that those who have done evil will be raised to everlasting shame.
Billy, I want to clarify that I agree with you that the beast is not the dragon (Satan). I went back and edited my post, as my wording could have given the wrong impression.*
Hi Doug welcome to the debate.
I agree with so much of that.
But Antichrist IS the beast, he is not the dragon but he is the beast. It is he who makes that covenant with Israel for 7 years and while he is stamping on everything called god he lays off Israel...and THEY WILL BE IN SAFETY.
After 3.5 years he will break his pact as you say and invade Israel...but then the Lord comes and fights against him. Michael will stand up and Israel will be delivered.
That is to each individual Jew that comes to Christ.........which any of them can now do........the apostate ones however continue to blaspheme our Lord and Christ and one reason they suffered the loss of their City and Temple in 70 adYou can't do that. Play scripture hopscotch pass over the scriptures which speak about restoration, peace and blessing but claim to believe the scripture concerning the NHNE
I agree with your basic sentiment, but THE WOMAN of Revelation means Israel, not the Church.God says it is not the man who travails with child [Israel is God's firstborn son] but it is the woman [the church is the Bride]
It is called Jacob's trouble because God has a quarrel with the nations about how they have treated the Jews during their long diaspora, the trouble is for the nations and the church is in the nations.
Still confused as per the scriptures I see. God SAVES the 1/3 of the Jews who call upon his name just like he SAVES all men who call upon his name. Men who reject God choose their own fate, be it Jews or Gentiles !!As your verse 11 above states, God will punish the Jews for their apostasy and sins and only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
That remnant will join with their Christian brethren and every faithful Christian will live in all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 50:4-5, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, +
Zech 14 which confirms that when Jerusalem is invaded, the women will be raped and their houses rifled and half the city of Jerusalem will be taken captive [nobody killed] Then God will fight against the nations. On Israel's behalf.
There is more confirmation in Dan.12.1 specifically speaking about the time of trouble at that time Michael the great cherub who protects Israel will stand up and Israel will be delivered.
Accept God's word...Israel will be saved.
God's punishment of Israel was that they would be chucked out of their land, He didn't say anything about poking them into cattle trucks to be insidiously murdered and all the other pogroms that have been waged against the Jews...those days are over, God is no longer scattering His ancient people He is gathering them.
Good grief, we actually have 4 people that agree with this ? This is scary that people are this off via doctrine.The Jewish people have usurped the name of Israel for their State.
They represent only 2 of the 12 tribes and many prophesies tell of their Judgement and only a remnant will be saved. Roman 9:27
The Israel that will be saved, are the Israelites of God, the faithful Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language. You accept that truth.
In Revelation 17:10, the person will be the 7th (Julio-Claudian) king of the Roman Empire.But Antichrist IS the beast, he is not the dragon but he is the beast. It is he who makes that covenant with Israel for 7 years and while he is stamping on everything called god he lays off Israel...and THEY WILL BE IN SAFETY.
Would you consider it to be more biblical to examine how the same language used in the OT is used again in the nt. For change of government , rather than speculate about satellite s. See isa13, isa34At the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event, 'asters'- Greek for stars; the stars in the sky will fall like ripe figs. Revelation 6:13
As it is simply impossible for actual stars, like Alpha Centuri, to fall onto the earth; they are too far away and would obliterate the earth, then I see this prophecy as referring to our satellites.
What the Lord will use on His Day of wrath, will be an explosion of the suns surface. A Coronal Mass Ejection of an unprecedented magnitude. Isaiah 30:26a and Malachi 4:1 prove this.
We have experienced many small CME's and the mass ejected has affected our satellites, forcing some into a lower orbit. The big CME that the Lord will instigate, will cause all the satellites facing the sun to crash back to the earth and all the other vividly described effects. Like the moon reflecting blood red, tectonic plate movement from the microwave penetration of the earths crust, etc.
It will be on this Day that the entire Middle East region will be virtually depopulated. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, so the OP of this thread is wrong, because only a remnant of Israel will be saved, Romans 9:27, they will shelter underground, Isaiah 29:4, and will join with their Christian brethren soon after that Day, Jeremiah 50:4-5
Not outside Christ. They shall look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a first born son...the entire nation, the men will mourn for Him they will separate from their wives and their wives will mourn for Him
The ALL ISRAEL confuses some people, because we all know every Jew will not be saved. Paul was quoting Isaiah, and it means Israel as a nation will be saved, thus preserving the seed of Abraham forever just as God promised him. Thus ALL ISRAEL is saved, as a Nation, but of course only 1/3 of the Jews of the end time come through the fire as Zech. ch. 13 tells us. So Israel as a Nation is saved, but not ALL Jews, if that makes sense.No I do not accept your opinion. Why do you quote Ro. 9? why not quote Ro 11? "and so all Israel will be saved"
The jews in Israel are the same Jews who Hitler tried to destroyed...he didn't mistake them...they look like Jews don't they? they also sound like Jews. No race of people have ever been able to replicate that shibboleth, that click of the tongue whereby the Jews themselves recognise each other.
The teaching of Paul is not that we have replaced Israel but that we have been made co-heirs and fellow citizens with them of their commonwealth. partakers of their covenants and promises yet without the law and ordinances...all in Christ. ephesians chapter 2-3.
We have teaches Paul been grafted into their vine.
They have not stumbled so as to fall.
Paul was quoting Isaiah, and it means Israel as a nation will be saved, thus preserving the seed of Abraham forever just as God promised him.
Paul isn't wrong, but they use Rom. 9:6-8 without context and understanding. It is true that not every Jew goes to heaven, we know this because Judas went to hell and Jesus told the Pharisees they were of their father the devil. What it points to using CONTEXT is that only those of FAITH can be of Abraham in a spiritual context.So Paul was wrong? you would say ALL British were Monarchists but actually some of us are republicans.
I have always wondered what condition the Jews were in before the great tribulation time period. All who have died since the resurection. Do they not count? The further back we go in time the more pure the Jewish lineage can be traced. What will be their condition on the day of judgment ? Are they all saved ? Thank you in advance for your answer.
I do not doubt that God has made a new covenant with Israel which is the covenant which we have ben given an inheritance
Versus historic fantasy.I'm the 2nd who agrees with BAB2's interpretation, and not the last.
In my Bible the book's name is Revelation. Is yours different?
I know, and know of, plenty of rich Jews. They're in there too.
Here's what my Bible says about antichrist(s). Not a one with a capital A:
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
No reference to invasion or Jerusalem.
Futurist fantasy.
Wow. And here all this time I have believed Daniel when he said that the 70th week was for HIS people.No 2 Christians agree on how to interpret Revelations ...good luck with yours.
The kings of the earth and the great men and the rich men and the mighty men and every bondman and every freeman
And every Jew...oh wait a minute, it doesn't say that.
The wrath of the Lamb is directed at the nations and the army which comes up with Antichrist when he invades Jerusalem.
Good points!Oh we know all that. Nobody is denying it...don't you think the Jews were decimated in Europe?
We don't deny Israel's fall...YOU deny their restoration...even when it is stated in the same passage which speaks of their fall.
Don't quote me Isaiah about the punishment which was to fall on Israel bruv...we know all about it. Only quote it if you will quote the later prophecies of Isaiah which speak about Israel's rise and restoration.
Arise shine for your light is come and stuff...comfort ye My people tell them I am coming to save them.
And Thank God one day it WILL BE!...er
"My kingdom is not now of this world"
Is it so? Paul says God's will for the fulness of time is to unite all things in Christ, whether they be things on earth or things in heaven. That is God's plan.
Now this uniting of all things in Christ, whether they be things on earth or things in heaven can never happen before Christ returns because we are told what conditions we must expect to prevail. Wars, scandals, earthquakes, roaring waves, famine...men hating God.
Reads a bit like the newspapers doesn't it.
So it is for the age after Christ returns. "The fulness of times" is a synonym for the Millennium.
Ephesians.1.
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both things which are in heaven and which are on earth, even in Him.
It is what Jesus taught us to pray "Thy kingdom come Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven...." even as it is in heaven.
Well, Jesus came. Jesus died. Jesus rose again. Jesus ascended and sent the Holy Spirit down. Then, as head of the church, as advanced the gospel to the ends of the earth. This is what God has already done. Futurists believe all this. We also believe God was behind 70 AD. It certainly would not have happened unless he was OK with it.Futurists refuse to believe what God has already done.
The STARS are Demons (fallen angels) being cast out of Heaven. Rev. 12 says Satan is cast down and has great wrath because his time is short. In the book of Job the Angels are called "Morning Stars". In Revelation a Star fall to earth and has the key to the bottomless pot, that is an Angel also.Hello Keras,
If a star fell to the earth...would that be the last day?
Most stars are larger than our sun.
The climax of the trib is when Antichrist invades Jerusalem...the Lord will destroy him, and those who follow him.
We get a little deeper here, it is up to you whether you will ponder these things a little more or whether you will simply wave the hand.
Darby preached a pre tribulation rapture which is not only wrong in substance but crooked in the way he set about proving his doctrine i.e he deliberately set out to deceive,