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[claninja]

Even if you are correct about some or all of those things in that post, that wouldn't mean you are correct about the 70th week was fulfilled long ago. Why? Because none of what happened that was documented in Acts would have included any of the following---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate---

I agree, if Daniel 9:26 (b) and Daniel 9:27 (b) are about the physical temple and city, which currently, I believe they are, Acts does not mention the Abomination of desolation. When we look at the greek septuagint, the greek word for "desolation" in Daniel 9:27 is the same as the greek word for "desolation" in Matthew 24 and Luke 21, therefore I believe the "desolations" of the Jerusalem and the temple that Jesus spoke of in the Olivet discourse refer to Daniel 9:27.

Daniel 9:27 (septuagint) And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple [shall be] the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.

Luke 21:20 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
Matthew 24:15 So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel,

where this, too, is fulfilled during the 70th week. It's fulfilled during the last half of it

This is an assumption based on the requirement that the desolation of city and sanctuary is required to fulfill the 6 points of Daniel 9:24. NT scripture states otherwise: the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 were fulfilled by Christ during his ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and sending of the Holy Spirit, NOT THE DESTRUCTION OF PHYSICAL JERUSALEM AND THE PHYSICAL TEMPLE.

Daniel 9:26 (b) and Daniel 9:27 (b) took place 40 years after Christ's death, resurrection, and ascension, not within the 70 weeks.

. There would be no reason for this angel to bring this up in this verse, where we already know the context of verse 27 is the 70th week, unless this is fulfilled during this same 70th week as well.

I disagree. there are many OT prophecies, WHEN A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME IS NOT GIVEN, that are fulfilled at different points in time. one example: Isaiah 61:1-2. I would apply this same principle to Daniel 9:26 (b) and Daniel 9:27 (b)

Luke 4:17-20 He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind,to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”


Isaiah 61:1-2 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD has anointed me to bring good news to the poor;a he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives,
and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;b to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor,
and the day of vengeance of our God;to comfort all who mourn;

 

[keras]

Let me know what you think about this time line study.

Thanks. I looked at this site and have to say I say I disagree with it.
The 70th week will happen in the last 7 years before Jesus Returns. .
Belief otherwise, simply denies scriptures such as; Revelation and the Words of Jesus.

 

[Meester-Chung]

1. The entire prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 covers a period of “seventy weeks,” or 490 years. Logic requires that “seventy weeks” refers to one consecutive block of time, in other words, to seventy straight sequential weeks. There is no example in Scripture (or anywhere else!) of a stated time period starting, stopping, and then starting again. All biblical references to time are consecutive: 40 days and 40 nights (see Genesis 7:4), 400 years in Egypt (see Genesis 15:13), 70 years of captivity (see Daniel 9:2), etc. In Daniel's prophecy, the “seventy weeks” were to begin during the reign of Persia and continue to the time of the Messiah.

2. Logic also requires that the 70th week follow immediately after the 69th week. If it doesn't, then how can it possibly be called the 70th week!

3. It is illogical to insert a 2,000 year gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel's prophecy. No hint of a gap is found in the prophecy itself. There is no gap between the first seven weeks and the following sixty two weeks, so why insert one between the 69th and 70th weeks?

If you told your child to be in bed in 70 minutes, you obviously would mean 70 consecutiveminutes. What if five hours later your wide awake son said, “But dad, I know 69 minutes have passed, but the 70th minute hasn't started yet!”? After receiving an appropriate punishment, he would be sent swiftly to bed.

4. Daniel 9:27 says nothing about a seven year period of “tribulation,” a “rebuilt” Jewish temple, or any “antichrist.”

5. The stated focus of this prophecy is the Messiah, not the antichrist. After the Messiah is “cut off” (referring to Christ's death), the text says, “And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” In the past, this has been consistently applied to the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70.

6. “He shall confirm the covenant.” Paul said “the covenant” was “confirmed before by God in Christ.” (Galatians 3:17) Jesus Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers.” (Romans 15:8) In the King James Version, Daniel 9:27 doesn't say “a covenant” or peace treaty, but “the covenant,” which applies to the New Covenant. Nowhere in the Bible does the antichrist make, confirm, or break a covenant with anyone. The word “covenant” is Messianic, and alwaysapplies to the Messiah, not some antichrist.

7. “He shall confirm the covenant with many.” Jesus Christ said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…” (Matthew 26:28) Behold a perfect fit! Jesus was quoting Daniel 9:27 specifically.

8. “In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.” After exactly three and a half years of holy ministry, Jesus Christ died on the cross, “in the midst of the week [in the middle of the seven years].” At the exact moment of His death, “the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom…” (Matthew 27:51) This act of God signified that all animal sacrifices at that moment ceased to be of value. Why? Because the Perfect Sacrifice had been offered once and for all!

9. “For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate.” The abomination that causes desolation (see Matthew 24:15) is not a simple subject, yet we know that Jesus clearly applied this event to the time when His followers were to flee from Jerusalem before the destruction of the second temple in A.D. 70. In a parallel text to Matthew 24:15, Jesus told His disciples, “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies [Roman armies led by Prince Titus], then know that its desolation is near.” (Luke 21:20) The disciples did “see” those very events. Because of the “abominations” of the Pharisees, Jesus told them, “See! Your house is left to you desolate.” (Matthew 23:38) Thus Gabriel's statement in Daniel 9:27 about Jerusalem becoming “desolate” was perfectly fulfilled in A.D. 70.

10. Gabriel said that the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel specifically applied to the Jewish people (see Daniel 9:24). During the period of Christ's public ministry of 3.5 years, the Master's focus was largely upon “the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 10:6) After His resurrection and then for another 3.5 years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1-6). After that second 3.5 year period, in 34 A.D., the bold Stephen was stoned by the Jewish Sanhedrin (see Acts 7). This infamous deed marked the then-ruling Jewish leaders' final, official rejection of the gospel of our Saviour. Then the gospel went to the Gentiles. In Acts 9, Saul became Paul, the “apostle to the Gentiles.” (Romans 11:13) In Acts 10, God gave Peter a vision revealing it was now time to preach to the Gentiles (see Acts 10:1-28). Read also Acts 13:46. Thus approximately 3.5 years after the crucifixion and at the end of the 70 week prophecy given for the Jewish people, the gospel shifted to the Gentiles exactly as predicted in Bible prophecy.

Daniels 70 Week Prophecy - The 70 Weeks Of Daniel

 

[DavidPT]

5. The stated focus of this prophecy is the Messiah, not the antichrist. After the Messiah is “cut off” (referring to Christ's death), the text says, “And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” In the past, this has been consistently applied to the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70.

In that case Prince Titus has to fulfill everything in verse 27 as well since he would be the nearest antecedent. Let's see how he might fit verse 27.

And Prince Titus shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week Prince Titus shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations Prince Titus shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I don't think he fits myself, yet it has to clearly fit the prince that shall come though, except that prince can't be meaning Titus.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Some might ask---where is the nearest antecedent for the prince that shall come, meaning before that part?

I might then ask in return---Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks---where is the nearest antecedent for the Messiah the Prince in this verse, meaning before that part? There wouldn't be any, would there, since this is when the Messiah the Prince is initially introduced in the text.

The same would have to apply for the prince that shall come. There is not a nearest antecedent before that part since this is the first time this prince has been introduced in the text.

 

[DavidPT]

I agree, if Daniel 9:26 (b) and Daniel 9:27 (b) are about the physical temple and city, which currently, I believe they are, Acts does not mention the Abomination of desolation. When we look at the greek septuagint, the greek word for "desolation" in Daniel 9:27 is the same as the greek word for "desolation" in Matthew 24 and Luke 21, therefore I believe the "desolations" of the Jerusalem and the temple that Jesus spoke of in the Olivet discourse refer to Daniel 9:27.





Daniel 9:27 (septuagint) And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple [shall be] the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.

Luke 21:20 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
Matthew 24:15 So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel,

Maybe I'm simply misunderstanding you somewhere, but in the event I'm not, I'm puzzled as to why you would be using a translation that appears to be defeating your argument? Your translation says----and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation. How do you equate the end of time with that of "the desolations of the Jerusalem and the temple that Jesus spoke of in the Olivet discourse"?

This is an assumption based on the requirement that the desolation of city and sanctuary is required to fulfill the 6 points of Daniel 9:24. NT scripture states otherwise: the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 were fulfilled by Christ during his ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and sending of the Holy Spirit, NOT THE DESTRUCTION OF PHYSICAL JERUSALEM AND THE PHYSICAL TEMPLE.

Daniel 9:26 (b) and Daniel 9:27 (b) took place 40 years after Christ's death, resurrection, and ascension, not within the 70 weeks.

What about this though? Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression

I have already brought this argument up several times in the past, so I'm likely sounding like a broken record here, but why would what I have underlined above be fulfilled, then some 40 years later, this same holy city that the transgression is supposed to be finished for, it gets destroyed at that time? It doesn't compute to me that it would occur in that order.

I disagree. there are many OT prophecies, WHEN A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME IS NOT GIVEN, that are fulfilled at different points in time. one example: Isaiah 61:1-2. I would apply this same principle to Daniel 9:26 (b) and Daniel 9:27 (b)

Luke 4:17-20 He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind,to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”


Isaiah 61:1-2 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD has anointed me to bring good news to the poor;a he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives,
and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;b to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor,
and the day of vengeance of our God;to comfort all who mourn;

I don't disagree with your point as proven by those passages you submitted, yet I don't feel your point here applies to Daniel 9:27 as well. This is why some of us can't seem to get on the same page about Daniel 9:27. Some of you won't even acknowledge that everything in verse 27 is fulfilled during the 70th week. I realize, that in your minds, you all think your arguments prove why not everything in verse 27 are fulfilled during the 70th week, yet in my mind, I don't feel they do. Maybe one of the reasons is because I interpret parts of Daniel 8, 11, and 12, vastly different than a lot of you do. That might explain some of it.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Six months is near enough for you? Sorry, but it ain't for me!
I don't dispute your dates, but you firstly make out the commencement of Jesus Ministry to be the start of the 70th week, whereas Daniel says it starts will Jesus' death, then you fail to note any event of significance to mark the end of it.
The whole Book of Revelation is about the end times. That is when the last 7 years of well described events will happen.

Ive started a thread about this here. Dates don't lie, and they are vital to the subject at hand. Have a serious look bro.

 

[Biblewriter]

there is no 2000+ year pause pause between the 69th and 70th week in Daniel 9 it is illogical. the messiah that is cut off is Jesus Christ who was crucified the prince that will invade the city is a Roman leader with his armies that destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70. the abomination of desolation is Aeilia Capitolina

Futurism was invented by Jesuit Francisco Ribera that came up with the pause betweem the 69th and 70th week of Daniel 9 who also invented the Idea of the 7 year tribulation with a future AntiChrist desecrating a physical rebuilt 3rd temple in Jerusalem

Actually, futurism was the STANDARD doctrine of the church throughout its first four centuries. In fact, in the fifth century, Jerome called it "the traditional interpretation of all the writers of the Christian church."

 

[Biblewriter]

You painted yourself into this corner. You haven't any options left.

You are the one who did this.

 

[Biblewriter]

No, Jesus fulfilled the 70th week as history proves.

Actually, history proves the very opposite.

 

[Meester-Chung]

Actually, futurism was the STANDARD doctrine of the church throughout its first four centuries. In fact, in the fifth century, Jerome called it "the traditional interpretation of all the writers of the Christian church."

The Jesuit Francisco Ribera invented Futurism



http://www.preteristarchive.com/ChurchHistory/0408_jerome_daniel.html

scroll down to Chapter nine

St Jerome agreed with the historicist interpretation of Daniel 24-27


For |109 after the sixty-two weeks the Christ shall be slain, and the nation who shall reject Him shall go out of existence" ---- or, as the Jews themselves put it, the kingdom of Christ which they imagined they would retain (G) shall not even be. And why do I speak of the slaying of Christ, and of the nation's utter forfeiture of God's help, since the Roman people were going to demolish the city and sanctuary under Vespasian, the leader who was to come? Upon his death the seven weeks or forty-nine years were complete, and after the city of Aelia was established upon the ruins of Jerusalem, Aelius Hadrian vanquished (H) the revolting Jews in their conflict with the general, Timus Rufus. It was at that time that the sacrifice and offering (ceased and) will continue to cease even unto the completion of the age, and the desolation is going to endure until the very end. We are not, say the Jews, greatly impressed by the fact that the seven weeks are mentioned first, and afterwards the sixty-two, and again a single week divided into two parts. For it is simply the idiomatic usage of the Hebrew language, as well as of antique Latin, that in quoting a figure, the small number is given first and then the larger. For example, we do not, according to good usage say in our language, "Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years"; on the contrary the Hebrews say, "Abraham lived five and seventy and one hundred years" (I). And so the fulfilment is not to follow the literal order of the words, but it shall be accomplished in terms of the whole sum, taken together. I am also well aware that some of the Jews assert that as for the statement about the single week, (696) "He shall establish a covenant with many (p. 553) for one week," the division is between the reigns of Vespasian and Hadrian. According to the history of Josephus, Vespasian and Titus concluded peace with the Jews for three years and six month. And the [other] three years and six months are accounted for in Hadrian's reign, when Jerusalem was completely destroyed and the Jewish nation was massacred in large groups at a time, with the result that they were even expelled from the borders of Judaea. This is what the Hebrews have to say on the subject, paying little attention to the fact that from the first year of Darius, King of the Persians, until the final overthrow of Jerusalem, which befell them under Hadrian, the period involved is a hundred and seventy-four Olympiads or six hundred ninety-six years, which total up to |110 ninety-nine Hebrew weeks plus three years ---- that being the time when Barcochebas, the leader of the Jews, was crushed and Jerusalem was demolished to the very ground. |111

 

[Biblewriter]

The Jesuit Francisco Ribera invented Futurism



http://www.preteristarchive.com/ChurchHistory/0408_jerome_daniel.html

scroll down to Chapter nine

St Jerome agreed with the historicist interpretation of Daniel 24-27


For |109 after the sixty-two weeks the Christ shall be slain, and the nation who shall reject Him shall go out of existence" ---- or, as the Jews themselves put it, the kingdom of Christ which they imagined they would retain (G) shall not even be. And why do I speak of the slaying of Christ, and of the nation's utter forfeiture of God's help, since the Roman people were going to demolish the city and sanctuary under Vespasian, the leader who was to come? Upon his death the seven weeks or forty-nine years were complete, and after the city of Aelia was established upon the ruins of Jerusalem, Aelius Hadrian vanquished (H) the revolting Jews in their conflict with the general, Timus Rufus. It was at that time that the sacrifice and offering (ceased and) will continue to cease even unto the completion of the age, and the desolation is going to endure until the very end. We are not, say the Jews, greatly impressed by the fact that the seven weeks are mentioned first, and afterwards the sixty-two, and again a single week divided into two parts. For it is simply the idiomatic usage of the Hebrew language, as well as of antique Latin, that in quoting a figure, the small number is given first and then the larger. For example, we do not, according to good usage say in our language, "Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years"; on the contrary the Hebrews say, "Abraham lived five and seventy and one hundred years" (I). And so the fulfilment is not to follow the literal order of the words, but it shall be accomplished in terms of the whole sum, taken together. I am also well aware that some of the Jews assert that as for the statement about the single week, (696) "He shall establish a covenant with many (p. 553) for one week," the division is between the reigns of Vespasian and Hadrian. According to the history of Josephus, Vespasian and Titus concluded peace with the Jews for three years and six month. And the [other] three years and six months are accounted for in Hadrian's reign, when Jerusalem was completely destroyed and the Jewish nation was massacred in large groups at a time, with the result that they were even expelled from the borders of Judaea. This is what the Hebrews have to say on the subject, paying little attention to the fact that from the first year of Darius, King of the Persians, until the final overthrow of Jerusalem, which befell them under Hadrian, the period involved is a hundred and seventy-four Olympiads or six hundred ninety-six years, which total up to |110 ninety-nine Hebrew weeks plus three years ---- that being the time when Barcochebas, the leader of the Jews, was crushed and Jerusalem was demolished to the very ground. |111

I am well familiar with the book to which you linked, having quoted from it in my own book. If you yourself go back and carefully read the area around the passage you quoted, you will learn that Jerome took no stand on the meaning of the prophecy of the seventy weeks. Instead, he quoted what each of many earlier writers had said about this prophecy, and advised his readers to evaluate them for themselves, and decide which opinion was correct.

But if you scroll back up in the same document you linked to, you will see that in this very same document, Jerome said concerning Daniel 7:8 that "We should therefore concur with the traditional interpretation of all the commentators of the Christian Church, that at the end of the world, when the Roman Empire is to be destroyed, there shall be ten kings who will partition the Roman world amongst themselves. Then an insignificant eleventh king will arise, who will overcome three of the ten kings, that is, the king of Egypt, the king of [North] Africa, and the king of Ethiopia, as we shall show more clearly in our later discussion. Then after they have been slain, the seven other kings also will bow their necks to the victor." This was the comment that I was referring to in my earlier post.

But Jerome was far from alone in teaching futurism. It was clearly taught by Papias. Eusebius complained concerning Papias, saying, “For he appears to have been of very limited understanding, as one can see from his discourses. But it was due to him that so many of the Church Fathers after him adopted a like opinion, urging in their own support the antiquity of the man; as for instance Irenæus and any one else that may have proclaimed similar views.” (The Church History, by Eusebius, book III, chapter XXXIX, section 13.)

Who were these "many" others that followed the lead of Papias? Eusebius specifically named Irenaeus. But other futurist writers I have personally studied (and quoted in my book) include, among others, Justyn Martyr, Hippolytus, Victorinus, Cyril of Jerusalem, the unknown author called Pseudo-Ephraem, and the unknown author of the so-called "epistle of Barnabas." Nor are these all the futuristic Christian writers of the early church.

And after the reformation, there were MANY futuristic Christian writers in the 1600s and early 1700s, including William Lowth, whose writings I quoted from extensively, and who published a series of commentaries on the Old Testament before Riberra was even born. And my colleague William Watson cataloged about two dozen such writers from the 1600s and 1700s that even taught a rapture before the Lord would come in power and glory to judge the world.

So this claim that Futurism originated with Fransisco Riberra has been thoroughly debunked by several modern writers, including my book, "Ancient Dispensational Truth," which is currently scheduled for release by Dispensational Publishing House on the first of November.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Actually, futurism was the STANDARD doctrine of the church throughout its first four centuries. In fact, in the fifth century, Jerome called it "the traditional interpretation of all the writers of the Christian church."

And by the same token, the 1st century pre-70ad Jewish Church were futurists [they weren't called Christians until Acts 11:26].
After the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem and it's Temple/Sanctuary, then they became Preterists.

I mean, imagine you are 1st century Jew standing in front of Jesus when He is telling them this.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 harmonized

Matthew 24:
3 Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling! to us,
when? shall these be,
and what? the sign<4592> of Thy parousia,
and together-finish/consummation<4930> of the age.
6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled;
for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.
Mark 13:
7 “But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled;
for such things must happen,
but the end is not yet.
Luke 21:
9 “But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified;
for these things must come to pass first,
but the end is not immediate.”

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
And Jerusalem shall be trodden-down<3961> by nations,
until the times of the nations be fulfilled. [Revelation 11:2]

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rise! and measure! the Sanctuary of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold outside the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854>, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the nations.
and the holy City they shall be treading<3961> forty two months.

Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10

Revelation 13:10 [Luke 21:24]
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints


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[Dave L]

Actually, history proves the very opposite.

Not according to bible history.

 

[Dave L]

You are the one who did this.

I did not paint anyone into a corner. You do so every time you teach doctrines based on theories and not on scripture.

 

[Jipsah]

Out of the 70 /70s only 69 have been fullfilled. The last one has not .

No Scriptural reason to believe that at all. You're simply reciting the doctrine you happen to believe.

God can pause His time table if He so chooses.

And God can also turn the sun into a grapefruit, but there's no reason to believe that He ever did, or ever will.

I think that He meant what actually communicated to His prophet - 490 years, not 2000 or so.

Unfortunately all will not , but many more will due to this brief pause in God's time table of prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled.

Interesting belief, but baseless.

 

[Jipsah]

Never said there was.
Just a pause.

Different word, same meaning.

Can you be less vague in your response as to why you state what you stated?

He believe that the 70th week followed - ready for this? - the 69th week. That the time ran just as prophesied. Not with a "gap" inserted to make some man-made doctrine appear to work.

 

[Jipsah]

Only 69 of the 70's have been fulfilled.
The last one has not, yet.

No Biblical reason to believe that at all.

 

[Jipsah]

I never said a 2,000 year pause.

Unless all 70 weeks have been fulfilled, then there has to have been a pause/gap/intermission/smoke break whatever. Otherwise, the 70th week followed thr 69th, a long, long time ago.

 

[Jipsah]

Let me ask you, what happen to the last week?

It saw the temple destroyed, sacrifice ended, Israel scattered, and the rise of the Church. Other than that...

 

[Jipsah]

What happened 7 years after the Crucifixion? Nothing of significance

Except maybe the destruction of the temple, the cessation of sacrifice, and the de facto destruction of Israel as an independent entity. Minor details like that.

Your determination to throw the 70th week into history

I think the number given to the prophet effectively accomplished that feat. 70 gonna follow 69, believe what you may.