Why is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit unforgivable?

[Invalidusername]

Now before starting this discussion I don't want any dumb answers like "Because you've rejected Jesus and that's unforgivable!" No, rejecting Jesus is forgivable because many people have rejected Jesus and then repented of it later and been saved. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a very specific sin that is against the Holy Spirit and it's more than just rejecting Jesus so please keep that simplistic answer out of my thread.

I believe that Hebrews 6, Hebrews 10:26-31, 2 Peters 2:19-22, and the reprobates mentioned in 2 Timothy chapter 3 are examples of people who have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Basically they sinned to the point where the Holy Spirit departed from them. The bible says there's only one unforgivable sin and it's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and Hebrews 6 describes an unforgivable sin so I believe this is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It's a sin that ends up being a deep gross offense to the Holy Spirit. I think this can be accomplished by either rejecting Jesus by apostasy or continuous deliberate gross sins while being a Christian clearly convicted by the Holy Spirit.

Now I am wondering: Jesus is holy, God is holy, the Holy Spirit is Holy. All three of the Godhead is perfectly sinless and holy. Blasphemy against Jesus is forgivable. Blasphemy against God the Father is forgivable. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. Why?

I believe that God could choose to forgive someone who blasphemed the Holy Spirit but He chooses not to. Why? What's so different about the nature of this sin versus other sins?

 

[Sabertooth]

Short answer: If He leaves, there is no One present to convict you of sin.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

It's the work of the Holy Spirit to convict us of sin and lead us to repentance. Once disconnected from the Holy Spirit, the sinner doesn't feel any conviction of sin, and therefore won't ask forgiveness. It isn't that God chooses not to. It's that the person doesn't want it.

Edit: Simulpost with the above answer, who said it in less words.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Now before starting this discussion I don't want any dumb answers like "Because you've rejected Jesus and that's unforgivable!" No, rejecting Jesus is forgivable because many people have rejected Jesus and then repented of it later and been saved. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a very specific sin that is against the Holy Spirit and it's more than just rejecting Jesus so please keep that simplistic answer out of my thread.

I believe that Hebrews 6, Hebrews 10:26-31, 2 Peters 2:19-22, and the reprobates mentioned in 2 Timothy chapter 3 are examples of people who have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Basically they sinned to the point where the Holy Spirit departed from them. The bible says there's only one unforgivable sin and it's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and Hebrews 6 describes an unforgivable sin so I believe this is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It's a sin that ends up being a deep gross offense to the Holy Spirit. I think this can be accomplished by either rejecting Jesus by apostasy or continuous deliberate gross sins while being a Christian clearly convicted by the Holy Spirit.

Now I am wondering: Jesus is holy, God is holy, the Holy Spirit is Holy. All three of the Godhead is perfectly sinless and holy. Blasphemy against Jesus is forgivable. Blasphemy against God the Father is forgivable. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. Why?

I believe that God could choose to forgive someone who blasphemed the Holy Spirit but He chooses not to. Why? What's so different about the nature of this sin versus other sins?

...from the way I understand the theology inherent within this problem (and I'm have to find the reference by which I drew this understanding), the blaspheming if the Holy Spirit is unforgivable because it involves reaching a frame of mind where the work of the Holy Spirit is in someway evaluated as being EVIL in nature. What this means on a practical scale is that Mr. Prodigal Son, while lying on his back with the pigs in the pig-pin, says to himself, "To heck with my father, he's evil, and all of that love that he said he had for me as I departed from him......is a sham, and so is his message telling me to come home!!!!!"

So, essentially, this kind of person places himself (or herself) into a spiritual straight-jack that essentially prevents him from ever seeing the actual Goodness, Holiness and Love which the Holy Spirit is working in the world by the will of the Father as an outcome of the Acts of the Son.

That's my current understanding, but on many things, I'm open to further contemplation about it.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[eleos1954]

Now before starting this discussion I don't want any dumb answers like "Because you've rejected Jesus and that's unforgivable!" No, rejecting Jesus is forgivable because many people have rejected Jesus and then repented of it later and been saved. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a very specific sin that is against the Holy Spirit and it's more than just rejecting Jesus so please keep that simplistic answer out of my thread.

I believe that Hebrews 6, Hebrews 10:26-31, 2 Peters 2:19-22, and the reprobates mentioned in 2 Timothy chapter 3 are examples of people who have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Basically they sinned to the point where the Holy Spirit departed from them. The bible says there's only one unforgivable sin and it's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and Hebrews 6 describes an unforgivable sin so I believe this is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It's a sin that ends up being a deep gross offense to the Holy Spirit. I think this can be accomplished by either rejecting Jesus by apostasy or continuous deliberate gross sins while being a Christian clearly convicted by the Holy Spirit.

Now I am wondering: Jesus is holy, God is holy, the Holy Spirit is Holy. All three of the Godhead is perfectly sinless and holy. Blasphemy against Jesus is forgivable. Blasphemy against God the Father is forgivable. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. Why?

I believe that God could choose to forgive someone who blasphemed the Holy Spirit but He chooses not to. Why? What's so different about the nature of this sin versus other sins?

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is committed only in the context of an attitude of persistent unbelief and open hostility toward Jesus. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not a single episode; it is a determined way of life.

If one dies earthly death in that state ... they are lost. If they are in that state when Jesus returns ... they are lost.

God Bless.

 

[Invalidusername]

Another question: Jesus also said that "He will never be forgiven in this life or the next."

This confuses me because I thought everyone who went to hell will never be forgiven in the next life but Jesus seems to emphasize it with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and also with people who take the mark of the beast. Those people seem to have the worse suffering in hell with suffering that never ceases day or night. So my question is this: people who go to hell but haven't blasphemed the Holy Spirit, do they get a "break" in suffering in hell? Like perhaps their punishment is less extreme and they get breaks from their suffering? But people with unforgivable sin will never get this break but continuously suffer forever with no relief?

 

[HTacianas]

Now before starting this discussion I don't want any dumb answers like "Because you've rejected Jesus and that's unforgivable!" No, rejecting Jesus is forgivable because many people have rejected Jesus and then repented of it later and been saved. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a very specific sin that is against the Holy Spirit and it's more than just rejecting Jesus so please keep that simplistic answer out of my thread.

I believe that Hebrews 6, Hebrews 10:26-31, 2 Peters 2:19-22, and the reprobates mentioned in 2 Timothy chapter 3 are examples of people who have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Basically they sinned to the point where the Holy Spirit departed from them. The bible says there's only one unforgivable sin and it's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and Hebrews 6 describes an unforgivable sin so I believe this is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It's a sin that ends up being a deep gross offense to the Holy Spirit. I think this can be accomplished by either rejecting Jesus by apostasy or continuous deliberate gross sins while being a Christian clearly convicted by the Holy Spirit.

Now I am wondering: Jesus is holy, God is holy, the Holy Spirit is Holy. All three of the Godhead is perfectly sinless and holy. Blasphemy against Jesus is forgivable. Blasphemy against God the Father is forgivable. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. Why?

I believe that God could choose to forgive someone who blasphemed the Holy Spirit but He chooses not to. Why? What's so different about the nature of this sin versus other sins?

I've looked into this before and may have found the answer, or at least a similar answer. God warned the Israelites in Exodus against provoking the angel He was sending to guide them:

Exo 23:21 - Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name isin him.

Rabbinical commentary has it that the angel's name is Metatron, and that he had a mission that did not include forgiveness. If forgiveness is not his mission, forgiveness is not possible from him.

Perhaps the mission of the Holy Spirit is similar, I do not know for certain. But the warning of Exodus 23:21 seems similar.

In the end I suppose it is best to "obey Him and provoke Him not".

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Another question: Jesus also said that "He will never be forgiven in this life or the next."

This confuses me because I thought everyone who went to hell will never be forgiven in the next life but Jesus seems to emphasize it with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and also with people who take the mark of the beast. Those people seem to have the worse suffering in hell with suffering that never ceases day or night. So my question is this: people who go to hell but haven't blasphemed the Holy Spirit, do they get a "break" in suffering in hell? Like perhaps their punishment is less extreme and they get breaks from their suffering? But people with unforgivable sin will never get this break but continuously suffer forever with no relief?

I think it just means that not only will that unreconciled Prodigal not find and receive forgiveness here, it also means there won't be any 2nd Chances for him on the other side of the grave. In other words, when that kind of person enters the grave, the situation is very "grave" indeed!

But, for the fact that you seem quite concerned about all of this, that shows that there's hope for you, and I don't think you've blasphemed the Holy Spirit just yet. Besides, it usually takes a very sane but ignorant and insulate person [like the Pharisees who opposed Jesus] to blasphemy in such a qualitative fashion. Otherwise, we'd have to think that every Tom, Dick, and Mary who has had a complete nervous breakdown and is in need of a psych-ward, AND who has just happened in their most desperate moments to ....say to God some choicely worded and bitterly expressed vitriol, will go straight to Hell and only to Hell.

No, I think it takes a much more sober minded but narcissistic person to blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

So, in your case, keep reaching out toward Jesus ... and get some help in doing so, my friend.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[John Bowen]

The Holy Spirit is that aspect of God which reminds people they can not stand still. " You must be born of water and spirit , the Holy Spirit bloweth where it listeh ". Your sins can be taken away but that mindset that you don't have to keep growing in the word that thinking must be forsaken by that person can't be forgiven by God .Thats what the scribes and Pharisees did and other leaders they thought they were saved cause they were Jews that they didn't have to follow Jesus new teachings .

 

[Invalidusername]

I think it just means that not only will that unreconciled Prodigal not find and receive forgiveness here, it also means there won't be any 2nd Chances for him on the other side of the grave. In other words, when that kind of person enters the grave, the situation is very "grave" indeed!

But, for the fact that you seem quite concerned about all of this, that shows that there's hope for you, and I don't think you've blasphemed the Holy Spirit just yet. Besides, it usually takes a very sane but ignorant and insulate person [like the Pharisees who opposed Jesus] to blasphemy in such a qualitative fashion. Otherwise, we'd have to think that every Tom, Dick, and Mary who has had a complete nervous breakdown and is in need of a psych-ward, AND who has just happened in their most desperate moments to ....say to God some choicely worded and bitterly expressed vitriol, will go straight to Hell and only to Hell.

No, I think it takes a much more sober minded but narcissistic person to blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

So, in your case, keep reaching out toward Jesus ... and get some help in doing so, my friend.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

Yeah the problem is I don't really have any conviction of sin like I used to so I don't know. I pray everyday for God to convict me again but I think I either blasphemed the Holy Spirit or quenched Him with my willful sins.

I never cursed at the Holy Spirit or anything but I did ignore His promptings over and over again.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yeah the problem is I don't really have any conviction of sin like I used to so I don't know.

Ok. I understand that you're feeling somewhat despondent because your brain has become familiar and accustomed to whatever sin it is that you've been committing. However, you say that you don't really have any conviction... then you say (below).......

I pray everyday for God to convict me again but I think I either blasphemed the Holy Spirit or quenched Him with my willful sins.

...do you see the incongruity here? If you had blasphemed the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't even 'feel' like bothering to ask God----even everyday----to convict you again.

I never cursed at the Holy Spirit or anything but I did ignore His promptings over and over again.

Okay. But ignoring the promptings of the Holy Spirit is NOT (analytically speaking) the same thing as outright rebelling against in Holy Spirit with fits of despondency, malice, and incontrovertible moral vilification of God. See the difference? If you were blaspheming the Spirit, you wouldn't even 'hear' Him now; instead, you be seeking ways to stop His work, stand in His way, and otherwise try to convince others to join in with smearing His name. But, as far as I know, you're not doing that. No, you're feeling guilty.......................as you should (which is a good sign).

My question to you is: what is it about your present sin that seems so difficult to let go of? What are you getting from it that you can't get in healthier, Christian ways elsewhere?

 

[Invalidusername]

Ok. I understand that you're feeling somewhat despondent because your brain has become familiar and accustomed to whatever sin it is that you've been committing. However, you say that you don't really have any conviction... then you say (below).......

...do you see the incongruity here? If you had blasphemed the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't even 'feel' like bothering to ask God----even everyday----to convict you again.

Okay. But ignoring the promptings of the Holy Spirit is NOT (analytically speaking) the same thing as outright rebelling against in Holy Spirit with fits of despondency, malice, and incontrovertible moral vilification of God. See the difference? If you were blaspheming the Spirit, you wouldn't even 'hear' Him now; instead, you be seeking ways to stop His work, stand in His way, and otherwise try to convince others to join in with smearing His name. But, as far as I know, you're not doing that. No, you're feeling guilty.......................as you should (which is a good sign).

My question to you is: what is it about your present sin that seems so difficult to let go of? What are you getting from it that you can't get in healthier, Christian ways elsewhere?

I don't really feel guilty at all. I want to though. All of my efforts to come to God has been intellectual with no feelings attached to it.

I backslid really badly to the point where I suspect I've committed apostasy. I willfully sinned for a long period of time after being saved. To the point where I almost completely forgot about God and Jesus. Then one day the Hebrews 6 passage appeared in my mind and I've been trying to repent ever since.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I don't really feel guilty at all. I want to though. All of my efforts to come to God has been intellectual with no feelings attached to it.

I backslid really badly to the point where I suspect I've committed apostasy. I willfully sinned for a long period of time after being saved. To the point where I almost completely forgot about God and Jesus. Then one day the Hebrews 6 passage appeared in my mind and I've been trying to repent ever since.

Thank you for the honesty. That's commendable!

To tell you the truth, it sounds like you're suffering from deep seated depression that is driving some of your habitual 'acting out.' Have you considered seeking out a professional counselor, preferably a Christian one?

 

[Invalidusername]

Thank you for the honesty. That's commendable!

To tell you the truth, it sounds like you're suffering from deep seated depression that is driving some of your habitual 'acting out.' Have you considered seeking out a professional counselor, preferably a Christian one?

I started going to a therapist but that's not going to do anything. I've been in this state since 2010-2011 when I felt the Holy Spirit either leave me or be quenched.

One day when I was doing inappropriate content against clear convictions, I felt something leave me and I have been reprobate ever since but I didn't care much until 8 months ago and I've been trying to repent ever since.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I started going to a therapist but that's not going to do anything. I've been in this state since 2010-2011 when I felt the Holy Spirit either leave me or be quenched.

That doesn't sound like a blasphemy related feeling. It rather sounds like the onset of a chemical imbalance or some other emotional complexes that you're suffering from. My mother suffered from schizophrenia and she had all kinds of symptoms that seemingly 'prevented' her from acting like the Christian she really wanted to be. So, if you're feeling challenged, I'd definitely recommend that you continue on with the professional counselors as best you can in dealing with this. Just don't get it in our head that your diminished feelings necessarily imply a spiritual state.

One day when I was doing inappropriate content against clear convictions, I felt something leave me and I have been reprobate ever since but I didn't care much until 8 months ago and I've been trying to repent ever since.

Well.......sexual type sins do have power over us in being habit forming, and being that you're suffering from some disorder AND you're single, I'm thinking that this combination of challenges you're facing makes it more difficult for you to try to bear up.

What does your doctor/counselor tell you might be the main problem or set of problems?

 

[Invalidusername]

That doesn't sound like a blasphemy related feeling. It rather sounds like the onset of a chemical imbalance or some other emotional complexes that you're suffering from. My mother suffered from schizophrenia and she had all kinds of symptoms that seemingly 'prevented' her from acting like the Christian she really wanted to be. So, if you're feeling challenged, I'd definitely recommend that you continue on with the professional counselors as best you can in dealing with this. Just don't get it in our head that your diminished feelings necessarily imply a spiritual state.

Well.......sexual type sins do have power over us in being habit forming, and being that you're suffering from some disorder AND you're single, I'm thinking that this combination of challenges you're facing makes it more difficult for you to try to bear up.

What does your doctor/counselor tell you might be the main problem or set of problems?

I saw the counselor for the first time last week so there's no real diagnosis yet. All I know is I am probably one of her toughest patients because she looked pretty exhausted after a session with me. When I met her in the waiting room, her face was beaming and full of joy and then after a session with me she looked downtrodden and worn out. I guess I'm a tough case.

I appreciate your help and I hope you're right.

 

[1am3laine]

It is the Holy Spirit who is the First and Last. Since it was Him who stepped out in Genesis 1:2 and He is the last since JESUS sent Him after He rose again.
So the Holy Spirit is the Holiest of All. (The Holy of Holies)

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has been done by many people via the "blasphemy challenge" on youtube. Some people think no one ever does this sin but it is shocking how many do.



Check these links below
The Secrets of The Gospel: Has the falling away begun? Blasphemous Tweets
The Secrets of The Gospel: Blaspheme? Holy Ghost songs & Hip Hop
The Secrets of The Gospel: Rational Responders... I reject them

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I saw the counselor for the first time last week so there's no real diagnosis yet. All I know is I am probably one of her toughest patients because she looked pretty exhausted after a session with me. When I met her in the waiting room, her face was beaming and full of joy and then after a session with me she looked downtrodden and worn out. I guess I'm a tough case.

...well, sometimes there really is a lot of complexity behind the reason(s) we feel the way we do, and some of what we feel is actually an expressed complication of some earlier stress or trauma we've experienced in our lives. It's just something to keep in mind as you take each day and, together with your counselor and to a lesser extent your everyday brothers and sisters in Christ, sort through the pieces of the puzzle to see if you find some explanation for the way that you're feeling about things.

I appreciate your help and I hope you're right.

You're welcome, bro!

 

[1am3laine]

I saw the counselor for the first time last week so there's no real diagnosis yet. All I know is I am probably one of her toughest patients because she looked pretty exhausted after a session with me. When I met her in the waiting room, her face was beaming and full of joy and then after a session with me she looked downtrodden and worn out. I guess I'm a tough case.

I appreciate your help and I hope you're right.

They'll probably say you have a mild case of OCD Scrupulosity or Religious OCD.
It's many people who fear they have committed the unpardonable sin and have not.

I "think" the reason blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable is because the Holy Spirit is the actual Power of GOD and to speak against Him is to resist the Power that can change you.

 

[Invalidusername]

It is the Holy Spirit who is the First and Last. Since it was Him who stepped out in Genesis 1:2 and He is the last since JESUS sent Him after He rose again.
So the Holy Spirit is the Holiest of All. (The Holy of Holies)

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has been done by many people via the "blasphemy challenge" on youtube. Some people think no one ever does this sin but it is shocking how many do.



Check these links below
The Secrets of The Gospel: Has the falling away begun? Blasphemous Tweets
The Secrets of The Gospel: Blaspheme? Holy Ghost songs & Hip Hop
The Secrets of The Gospel: Rational Responders... I reject them

I'm curious how can the Holy Spirit be more holy than God or Jesus. Holiness is a form of perfection so you're basically saying the Holy Spirit is more than perfect.