Abomination of Desolation spoke of by the Prophet Daniel

[Douggg]

So you believe Jesus is making an escape rout for those going into exile?

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into captivity, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.

Lol,Dude,they are bbeing kicked out of the kingdom.

Luke 13:28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves are thrown out.

It is not exile, but captivity... meaning that half of the city will be taken hostage, and the rest in battle, holding out, surrounded.

Luke 13:28 has nothing to do with Zechariah 14.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Since there is no regular burnt offering or abomination that makes desolate mentioned in Daniel 12:1-10, and Daniel 11-12 are all a part of the same vision, does that mean Daniel 12:11 is referring back to Daniel 11:31?

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days

Daniel 11:31 Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate

1 Maccabees 1
57 It was on the fifteenth of Casleu, in the hundred and forty-fifth years, that King Antiochus set up an idol to desecrate God's altar; [58] there were in every township of Judah, 58 offerings of incense and of sacrifices before house doors and in the open street; 59 never a copy of the divine law but was torn up and burned; 60 if any were found to have kept the sacred record, or obeyed the Lord's will, his life was forfeit to the king's edict.

Chapter 4
36 And now Judas and his brethren had but one thought; the enemy vanquished, they would betake themselves to Jerusalem, to cleanse and restore the sanctuary. 37 So the whole army fell into rank, and they climbed the hill of Sion together. 38 What saw they? The holy place desolate, the altar profaned, charred gates, courts overgrown with brushwood, like forest clearing or mountain glen, the priests’ lodging in ruins. 39 Upon this, there was rending of garments, and loud lament; dust they cast on their heads, 40 and fell face to earth; then, as the trumpet’s note gave the summons, raised their cries to heaven

 

[shilohsfoal]

It is not exile, but captivity... meaning that half of the city will be taken hostage, and the rest in battle, holding out, surrounded.

Luke 13:28 has nothing to do with Zechariah 14.

Holding out?
The city is taken.The scripture is not mistaken.So why do you believe any can hold out? Where they going to hold out ,in thiet bombshelters?

Also ,where is the muslim population of jerusalem while the muslim nations are raping the jewishwomen in zech 14:2?

 

[Douggg]

Holding out?
The city is taken.The scripture is not mistaken.So why do you believe any can hold out? Where they going to hold out ,in thiet bombshelters?

Also ,where is the muslim population of jerusalem while the muslim nations are raping the jewishwomen in zech 14:2?

There are no muslims anywhere in the world at that time. Islam will be finished as a religion in Gog/Magog right before the 7 years begin.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Since there is no regular burnt offering or abomination that makes desolate mentioned in Daniel 12:1-10, and Daniel 11-12 are all a part of the same vision, does that mean Daniel 12:11 is referring back to Daniel 11:31?

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days

Daniel 11:31 Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate

I know this is not a detailed answer for you, but I say it is a manner of speaking. Refer to some of the Messianic prophecies and you will see that the word sacrifice in these prophecies are equated to prayer in N.T. times and in fact this is revealed for us over time as we read from O.T. to N.T. For instance...
Psalm 141:2:
May my prayer be set before you like incense;
may the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.

The above is choppy, but I hope I conveyed to you that there is heavy usage of symbolism.

 

[shilohsfoal]

There are no muslims anywhere in the world at that time. Islam will be finished as a religion in Gog/Magog right before the 7 years begin.

Jesus spoke much about the time of the end and signs leading up to his coming.Can,you show us any refetence to Gog invading israel before the coming of Christ in the gospels?

 

[Douggg]

Jesus spoke much about the time of the end and signs leading up to his coming.Can,you show us any refetence to Gog invading israel before the coming of Christ in the gospels?

I can show you in Ezekiel 39 of Jesus speaking right in the text, 7 years after Gog/Magog.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon feast, corresponding to Revelation 19:17-18.

Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39, having returned to earth, following his judgements on the armies gathered to make war on Him.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
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[Berean Tim]

Jesus spoke much about the time of the end and signs leading up to his coming.Can,you show us any refetence to Gog invading israel before the coming of Christ in the gospels?

Islam currently has control of 25% of the world much like the first rider (Death) of the 4th seal. They kill in all the ways listed. I'd like to think Islam would fail and the Nations would accept Jesus. But I don't think so

 

[shilohsfoal]

I can show you in Ezekiel 39 of Jesus speaking right in the text, 7 years after Gog/Magog.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon feast, corresponding to Revelation 19:17-18.

Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39, having returned to earth, following his judgements on the armies gathered to make war on Him.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
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So jesus didnt say anything about Gog at all when speaking of his coming?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Now,what does anyone undetstand about the cloud that rises into the heavens from jerusalem when the abomination of desolation is placed?

 

[Douggg]

So jesus didnt say anything about Gog at all when speaking of his coming?

Not in the gospels. He also did not say anything about 666, the mark of the beast, nor the name of the beast - in the gospels.

But Jesus Himself is speaking right in the text of Ezekiel 39 - which also contains the destruction of Gog's army and the aftermath - and the 7 years - and the Armageddon feast.

To me, you should be reading Ezekiel 39:21-29 with the words coming alive just as it is Jesus speaking to you in person.

Jesus's words are spirit and they are life. John 6:63.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Not in the gospels. He also did not say anything about 666, the mark of the beast, nor the name of the beast - in the gospels.

But Jesus Himself is speaking right in the text of Ezekiel 39 - which also contains the destruction of Gog's army and the aftermath - and the 7 years - and the Armageddon feast.

To me, you should be reading Ezekiel 39:21-29 with the words coming alive just as it is Jesus speaking to you in person.

Jesus's words are spirit and they are life. John 6:63.

So you believe God is going to save israelis from Gog so that those israelis can have thier own family members murderd for believing in jesus?

 

[shilohsfoal]

So what do you know about thecloud that rises into the heaven from jerusalem at the end of the 42month occupation of jerusalem?

It is not to make Jerusalem desolate - but makes the temple absent from any worship and praise of the One True God, stopping the daily sacrifice in the process.

Jerusalem will not be made desolate because of the occupation of the armies of the beast in Revelation 11:2 for the 42 months.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[Douggg]

So you believe God is going to save israelis from Gog so that those israelis can have thier own family members murderd for believing in jesus?

In response to my prior post -

What your reaction should be is that of being overjoyed of actually seeing Jesus speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39.

7 years prior, Islam will be destroyed as a religion, for it's violence it has done in claiming Allah is the same God of the bible.
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You should be re-evaluating your eschatology -but no, you are taking the low road paved with contention - trying to hang on to it.

 

[Douggg]

So what do you know about thecloud that rises into the heaven from jerusalem at the end of the 42month occupation of jerusalem?

You will have to cite the verse for me to know what your referring to.

 

[shilohsfoal]

In response to my prior post -

What your reaction should be is that of being overjoyed of actually seeing Jesus speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39.

7 years prior, Islam will be destroyed as a religion, for it's violence it has done in claiming Allah is the same God of the bible.
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You should be re-evaluating your eschatology -but no, you are taking the low road paved with contention - trying to hang on to it.

Youve said Gog invades israel 7 years prior to christs coming.
Youbelieve God will save israrl.

Why would God save the unbelieving israelis so that they can cause the saints in israel to be killed before Jesus comes ?

 

[shilohsfoal]

You will have to cite the verse for me to know what your referring to.

Its not hidden.
Its there for evetyone to see.
I will give you a hint.
The cloud rises from jerusalem at the same time period the abomination which causes desolation is placed.

Three and a half years after the beginning of the gentile occupation of jerusalem.
Three and a half years after the Israeli sacrifice is abolished

A cloud that rises all the way into the heavens.

 

[shilohsfoal]

The abomination which causes desolation.

 

[Douggg]

Why would God save the unbelieving israelis so that they can cause the saints in israel to be killed before Jesus comes ?

Your rationale sounds like this...
Exodus 14:11 And they said unto Moses, Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt?

Right now in Israel there are many who are secular and don't even believe in God. So God saving Israel supernaturally from the overwhelming force of Gog/Magog will bring Israel to believe in God... although still not believing Jesus is God who entered into the world to add to his being God by becoming a man to die for forgiveness of their sins so that they can have eternal life.

And it says in Ezekiel 39, God destroys Gog's army because He is concerned over His name - which it is that Islam has defamed God by claiming Allah is God of the bible - and has done exceeding wickedness allegedly in the name of God the bible - a lie.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel;[which is to bring all of Israel to believe in God] and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.[the heathen, the muslim nations have polluted God's name - by equating it with Allah of Islam. But Allah is not God, the Holy One in Israel]

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In Ezekiel 38, when God supernaturally destroys Gog's army, it will make it known that He is the God of Israel, not Allah of Islam. Gog/Magog is God's judgment on Islam.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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Following Gog/Magog, all Israel will believe in God - but not that Jesus is the messiah.

They will think the prince who shall come, the little horn person, into the middle east - the leader of the EU is their messiah. That is a completely separate issue from God's reason for destroying Gog's army; so your question (assertion) is not correctly based.

It will be a colossus error Israel makes in thinking the little horn person is their messiah and anointing him the King of Israel... that ultimately 2/3 don't make it through the great tribulation. The great tribulation results in a big portion of the entire world population dying.

Upon embracing the Antichrist, thinking he is the messiah, they and the world, many falling away from Christianity from believing that Jesus is the messiah - to choose instead the Antichrist - will believe they have entered the messianic age of peace and safety. Before, the world is plunged into the early years of the Day of the Lord.

So your question (assertion) is wrongly based. It is not God saving Israel from the invasion of Gog/Magog. But, in the aftermath, Israel's decision to embrace the Antichrist as their messiah - that leads to all the destruction that comes upon them, and they shall not escape, it says in 1Thessalonians5.

In the middle of the seven years, they turn to Jesus, and he rescues the 1/3 that survive the great tribulation. Them who are martyred for receiving Jesus and remaining faithful to him even unto death - have their bodies resurrected to their eternal life bodies in Revelation 20:4-6.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Your rationale sounds like this...
Exodus 14:11 And they said unto Moses, Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt?

Right now in Israel there are many who are secular and don't even believe in God. So God saving Israel supernaturally from the overwhelming force of Gog/Magog will bring Israel to believe in God... although still not believing Jesus is God who entered into the world to add to his being God by becoming a man to die for forgiveness of their sins so that they can have eternal life.

And it says in Ezekiel 39, God destroys Gog's army because He is concerned over His name - which it is that Islam has defamed God by claiming Allah is God of the bible - and has done exceeding wickedness allegedly in the name of God the bible - a lie.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel;[which is to bring all of Israel to believe in God] and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.[the heathen, the muslim nations have polluted God's name - by equating it with Allah of Islam. But Allah is not God, the Holy One in Israel]

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In Ezekiel 38, when God supernaturally destroys Gog's army, it will make it known that He is the God of Israel, not Allah of Islam. Gog/Magog is God's judgment on Islam.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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Following Gog/Magog, all Israel will believe in God - but not that Jesus is the messiah.

They will think the prince who shall come, the little horn person, into the middle east - the leader of the EU is their messiah. That is a completely separate issue from God's reason for destroying Gog's army; so your question (assertion) is not correctly based.

It will be a colossus error Israel makes in thinking the little horn person is their messiah and anointing him the King of Israel... that ultimately 2/3 don't make it through the great tribulation. The great tribulation results in a big portion of the entire world population dying.

Upon embracing the Antichrist, thinking he is the messiah, they and the world, many falling away from Christianity from believing that Jesus is the messiah - to choose instead the Antichrist - will believe they have entered the messianic age of peace and safety. Before, the world is plunged into the early years of the Day of the Lord.

So your question (assertion) is wrongly based. It is not God saving Israel from the invasion of Gog/Magog. But, in the aftermath, Israel's decision to embrace the Antichrist as their messiah - that leads to all the destruction that comes upon them, and they shall not escape, it says in 1Thessalonians5.

In the middle of the seven years, they turn to Jesus, and he rescues the 1/3 that survive the great tribulation. Them who are martyred for receiving Jesus and remaining faithful to him - have their bodies resurrected to their eternal life bodies in Revelation 20:4-6.

No,you are saying God will save the unbelievers so theycan,later kill his saints.

What you are saying is not bibical.
Thats why youcant findGog invading israel in the gospel as a sign of jesus coming.
Simply because it doesnt happen before jesus coming.

But if youwant to believe God is going to save the antichrist jews so they can kill his saints,you go right ahead.

Now lets try to get back to the subject of the thread.
Have you found that cloud that rises into the heavens when the abomination that causrs desolation is placed yet?