FredVB
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tall73 said:He obviously thought it was OK or he would not have set out to do it.Or is it your view that Abraham thought it was ok to offer children as a sin offereing to God?
You are saying he knew it was wrong--that is up to you to prove. And no, murdering someone in anger is not the same as a sacrifice to God. Sacrificing a human to God is wrong, but there is no indication that Abraham knew that. And you have shown not text that says it.
Your whole point is God commanded Abraham to do something Abraham knew was wrong. But you have presented no evidence on that point. Show the evidence, or you have no argument.
A sacrifice does not equal the same thing as a sin offering. Sin offerings I see are often assumed for sacrifice where it is not stated, and in a few cases a sacrifice is assumed where it is not stated. There weren't necessarily human sacrifices already, but if there were, these were certainly not sin offerings.
Abraham would have known, as we may know already before we come to be believers who have been brought to God, that it would be wrong to just choose to kill another human person, though he was not past killing in a war battle for the sake of those on his side, and he would kill animals. But he put faith in what Yahweh said over everything else. If Yahweh said he must kill someone, Yahweh, Creator of all, must have the reason and would be right, over anyone else, if they don't even see why. Abraham was justified with such faith in what Yahweh told him, that no one else will have such faith, that because of Yahweh's promises about Isaac, his son would just be resurrected again. It did not mean he did not agonize over it, as Christ agonized in the garden of Gethsemane before his great sufferings, for us, but Yahweh was put over everything. Abraham would not just choose such things, but he had the greatest faith of anyone in Yahweh, with what he did hear.
Pyong Ping said:God is looking to deliver as many as will be delivered, but also to punish the wicked who refuse, and the probation of men to end, and the wrath of God to fully fall, and therefore, be not found among that number ... (2 groups in the city, the professing (True/Sheep/Wheat/Wise and False/Goats/Tares/Foolish), 1 group outside the city (already condemned, John 3:18); Revelation 9:13-15)
All the cities are coming to being under judgment, and those people who respond to come to God will have to choose to come out of cities, and flee to be independent from them, and doing so much sooner is better than staying yet to be involved with the sins there still (Revelation 16:19). The only city where all those who are not condemned will be is the camp of God, which will be where Christ is reigning, in Jerusalem, with the new Jerusalem ultimately which reaches from heaven down to earth on the greatest mountain ever being promised for that. It won't be like any city that could come to be from our civilization. It would be of perfection in its arrangement, without any sins ever done there.
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