Canada vaccine awareness programs

[ThatRobGuy]

The dangers of not vaccinating are horrifying and graphic. Government warnings must show that: Opinion | CBC News

The Canadian government announced a national awareness campaign and earmarked almost $3.4 million in additional funding to increase Canadian vaccination rates – a significant supplement to the $18 million it already spends annually on immunization initiatives. During the announcement, Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor noted that this was a significant public health priority to see that "the risk of infection is lower for all Canadians."

But if raising vaccination rates is a priority, and the dangers of not vaccinating are so pronounced, why are the government's immunization campaigns so milquetoast and flaccid?

For a developed country, Canada has some of the worst child vaccination rates in the developed world. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) estimates that 91 per cent of Canadian children have been vaccinated against diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus (DTP) and 89 per cent against measles. These numbers may seem reasonable, but that means nearly 10 per cent of our childhood population remains vulnerable to a host of preventable diseases. Contrary to our smug attitudes about superior Canadian health care, this actually means we trail the U.S. in both measures.

 

[iluvatar5150]

"Contrary to our smug attitudes about superior Canadian health care, this actually means we trail the U.S. in both measures."

Hopefully, their smugness will drive them to exceed us.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

"Contrary to our smug attitudes about superior Canadian health care, this actually means we trail the U.S. in both measures."

Hopefully, their smugness will drive them to exceed us.

Hopefully...

It should also serve as proof of the merits of vaccinations and an eye-opener to the anti-vaxxer movement. I know, I'm being overly optimistic here...

...but the proof is in the pudding. There are tangible dangers associated with people putting their trust in pseudoscience instead of actual science.

 

[MariaJLM]

Good. People need to see stuff like this. I wish vaccination was mandatory for all those not exempt by their doctors for legitimate health reasons, but I know that's wishful thinking on my part.

 

[Nayte]

Good. People need to see stuff like this. I wish vaccination was mandatory for all those not exempt by their doctors for legitimate health reasons, but I know that's wishful thinking on my part.

Vaccinations are poisons. Here, lets just get the same vaccinations that our great grandparents got. Oh, wait, they did not get them at all. You all need to pray right now to Jesus the Son of God, and ask for discernment on vaccinations. Seek with your heart, would you reallllly want to know if they are good or bad? Then you will get the knowledge you need.

 

[JackRT]

Vaccinations are poisons. Here, lets just get the same vaccinations that our great grandparents got. Oh, wait, they did not get them at all. You all need to pray right now to Jesus the Son of God, and ask for discernment on vaccinations. Seek with your heart, would you reallllly want to know if they are good or bad? Then you will get the knowledge you need.

When I become ill I pray on my way to see the doctor. If you really want to know about the utility of vaccinations and other public health interventions, all you need to do is read history.

I am fond of the old proverb "Pray to God but row away from the rocks."

 

[Desk trauma]

Here, lets just get the same vaccinations that our great grandparents got. Oh, wait, they did not get them at all.

Because of that had to contend with small pox and polio. The first no longer exists outside of a lab, the second will shortly meet the same fate.

You all need to pray right now to Jesus the Son of God, and ask for discernment on vaccinations.

...or look at the rate of diseases we vaccinate against prior to the existence of vaccination and after their widespread use.

Seek with your heart, would you reallllly want to know if they are good or bad?

Spoiler alert, they are one of the most beneficial advances in medicine.

 

[MariaJLM]

Vaccinations are poisons. Here, lets just get the same vaccinations that our great grandparents got. Oh, wait, they did not get them at all. You all need to pray right now to Jesus the Son of God, and ask for discernment on vaccinations. Seek with your heart, would you reallllly want to know if they are good or bad? Then you will get the knowledge you need.

Not at all. Vaccines prevent poisons like bacteria, viruses, etc. from taking over our body.

 

[John 12:25]

Vaccinations are poisons. Here, lets just get the same vaccinations that our great grandparents got. Oh, wait, they did not get them at all. You all need to pray right now to Jesus the Son of God, and ask for discernment on vaccinations. Seek with your heart, would you reallllly want to know if they are good or bad? Then you will get the knowledge you need.

Exactly. There’s heavy metals like lead and mercury found in these vaccines. Not much of a mystery why autism is so common in children nowadays. Parents loaded with heavy metals likely plays a large role. This is the most medicated society in history. Heavy metals in the system can’t be good.

I’ve also seen zero first hand proof of the effectiveness of these so-called vaccines. ‘Because medical “professionals” said so’ isn’t good enough. I was the only person in my family who didn’t get a flu shot last year. Was also the only one who didn’t get the flu. In fact the whole town was sick, but I never got the flu.

They push really hard here in my area for everyone to get vaccinated. Last flu season the whole town was sick. They bribe people with free groceries and other rewards just to get them injected.

 

[Nithavela]

Vaccinations are poisons. Here, lets just get the same vaccinations that our great grandparents got. Oh, wait, they did not get them at all. You all need to pray right now to Jesus the Son of God, and ask for discernment on vaccinations. Seek with your heart, would you reallllly want to know if they are good or bad? Then you will get the knowledge you need.

I knew this would crop up sooner rather than later..

 

[Desk trauma]

I knew this would crop up sooner rather than later..

So many PRATTs, so little time.

 

[MariaJLM]

Exactly. There’s heavy metals like lead and mercury found in these vaccines. Not much of a mystery why autism is so common in children nowadays. Parents loaded with heavy metals likely plays a large role. This is the most medicated society in history. Heavy metals in the system can’t be good.

I’ve also seen zero first hand proof of the effectiveness of these so-called vaccines. ‘Because medical “professionals” said so’ isn’t good enough. I was the only person in my family who didn’t get a flu shot last year. Was also the only one who didn’t get the flu. In fact the whole town was sick, but I never got the flu.

They push really hard here in my area for everyone to get vaccinated. Last flu season the whole town was sick. They bribe people with free groceries and other rewards just to get them injected.

Autism? Really? That has been debunked. Also, even if it was true it's very telling that a person would rather have a child dead from Polio than an autistic one. Is society really so ableist still that autism is seen as something worse than childhood death?

 

[JackRT]

From Wikipedia:

Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a large percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, thereby providing a measure of protection for individuals who are not immune.[1][2] In a population in which a large number of individuals are immune, chains of infection are likely to be disrupted, which stops or slows the spread of disease.[3] The greater the proportion of individuals in a community who are immune, the smaller the probability that those who are not immune will come into contact with an infectious individual.[1]

Individual immunity can be gained through recovering from a natural infection or through artificial means such as vaccination.[3] Some individuals cannot become immune due to medical reasons and in this group herd immunity is an important method of protection.[4][5] Once a certain threshold has been reached, herd immunity gradually eliminates a disease from a population.[5]This elimination, if achieved worldwide, may result in the permanent reduction in the number of infections to zero, called eradication.[6] This method was used for the eradication of smallpox in 1977 and for the regional elimination of other diseases.[7] Herd immunity does not apply to all diseases, just those that are contagious, meaning that they can be transmitted from one individual to another.[5] Tetanus, for example, is infectious but not contagious, so herd immunity does not apply.[4]​

And:

Estimated R0 and HITs of well-known infectious diseases[51]
Disease Transmission R0 HIT
Measles Airborne 12–18 92–95%
Pertussis Airborne droplet 12–17[52] 92–94%
Diphtheria Saliva 6–7 83–86%
Rubella Airborne droplet
Smallpox 5–7 80–86%
Polio Fecal-oral route
Mumps Airborne droplet 4–7 75–86%​

Post #1 this thread indicated that the Canadian vaccination level for children was 91% for diptheria and 89% for measles. WE are above the herd immunity level for diphtheria but fall a little short for measles. We do need to aim higher and somehow counter the hysteria of the anti-vaxers.

 

[John 12:25]

Autism? Really? That has been debunked. Also, even if it was true it's very telling that a person would rather have a child dead from Polio than an autistic one. Is society really so ableist still that autism is seen as something worse than childhood death?

I’m not sure how you arrive at I am suggesting autism is worse than childhood death. But since you claim what I mentioned in my post has allegedly been debunked, how about some proof? All I see from the pro-vaccinationists is ‘it’s been debunked’ or ‘already been refuted’, or ‘I said so’ which holds no weight. That isn’t proof. Multiple studies flat out showing these products have heavy metals in them is convincing enough for me. By whom has this been debunked? What makes them credible? Any hard evidence? Do they have any vested interest in perhaps concealing any dangers related to these vaccinations? Do they have anything to gain by selling these vaccinations?

Sorry, but blind trust is something I reserve only for the Lord, not man and his ‘medicines’. If the medical field is so wonderful as is being suggested here in this thread then why is modern medicine one of the top 3 causes of death in the U.S.? Or has that been debunked too by self-proclaimed experts?

Whatever people want to put in their bodies is their own business. But I am just growing tired of how this stuff is shoved down people’s throats and we’re just supposed to inject it into our systems no questions asked and assume it is perfectly safe ‘cause big bro said so. It’s glaringly obvious many people only want to believe whatever makes them feel good, or feel secure.

 

[JackRT]

But since you claim what I mentioned in my post has allegedly been debunked, how about some proof? All I see from the pro-vaccinationists is ‘it’s been debunked’ or ‘already been refuted’, or ‘I said so’ which holds no weight. That isn’t proof. Multiple studies flat out showing these products have heavy metals in them is convincing enough for me.

From the journal of Clinical Infectious Diseases volune 48 issue 4 Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic

Conclusions
Twenty epidemiologic studies have shown that neither thimerosal nor MMR vaccine causes autism. These studies have been performed in several countries by many different investigators who have employed a multitude of epidemiologic and statistical methods. The large size of the studied populations has afforded a level of statistical power sufficient to detect even rare associations. These studies, in concert with the biological implausibility that vaccines overwhelm a child's immune system, have effectively dismissed the notion that vaccines cause autism. Further studies on the cause or causes of autism should focus on more-promising leads

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Unfortunately, this is one such case where our government is unwittingly funding both sides of this debate...

Well, it's not really a debate anymore, it's been studied numerous times now and proven that vaccines are safe & effective.

The government has programs to fund awareness and encourage vaccinations (nothing wrong with that), however, a sizable chunk of government money (via Medicaid/Medicare) goes to Chiropractors, who turn around and tell patients not to get vaccinated.

That's why we really need some accountability when it comes to medical spending so that we're making sure we're not unknowingly paying to encourage quackery.

It makes about as much sense as subsidizing tobacco farmers, then turning around and creating awareness programs to tell people not to smoke.

People are very prone to be receptive to confirmation bias...so when people like Chiropractors and Naturopaths tell them other things they want to hear, they're more like to be receptive to other things they'll tell them in the future.

 

[expos4ever]

Evidence-based thinking and a hard commitment to rationality have been perhaps taken for granted. We have laughed dismissively at the flat earthers. And they deserve it. But the Trump election shows that many people are driven by emotion and tribal allegiance, not clear thinking. We need to figure this out. One thing is for sure: arguing the facts simply does not work, we need to do other things as well.

 

[MariaJLM]

Evidence-based thinking and a hard commitment to rationality have been perhaps taken for granted. We have laughed dismissively at the flat earthers. And they deserve it. But the Trump election shows that many people are driven by emotion and tribal allegiance, not clear thinking. We need to figure this out. One thing is for sure: arguing the facts simply does not work, we need to do other things as well.

It's sad isn't it? The OP is an atheist according to their profile. I think it's very telling when I'm finding myself agreeing more with atheists than my fellow Christians.

 

[USincognito]

Exactly. There’s heavy metals like lead and mercury found in these vaccines.

Actually there is not. Neither lead nor mercury were ever used in vaccines in an elemental form. A compound of mercury was used in the preservative Thimerosal. But that's the same as dangerous elements like sodium and chlorine being in your table salt. Thimerosal hasn't been used in childhood vaccines since (I believe) 1998.

Not much of a mystery why autism is so common in children nowadays.

Indeed. It's because the spectrum has been broadened and the criteria for a person to find themselves on it has become looser over the decades. It has nothing to do with vaccines or heavy metals or any other garbage that people are reading on mom blogs, whale dot to, Mercola, etc.

I’ve also seen zero first hand proof of the effectiveness of these so-called vaccines. ‘Because medical “professionals” said so’ isn’t good enough.

Thinks science proves things.
Demands "first hand" evidence of vaccine efficacy.
'So-called'
"Scare quotes" around professionals.
Yikes...

I was the only person in my family who didn’t get a flu shot last year. Was also the only one who didn’t get the flu. In fact the whole town was sick, but I never got the flu.

That is a lovely and I'm sure 100% accurate anecdote.

But since you claim what I mentioned in my post has allegedly been debunked, how about some proof? All I see from the pro-vaccinationists is ‘it’s been debunked’ or ‘already been refuted’, or ‘I said so’ which holds no weight. That isn’t proof.

Stop using the word proof in a scientific/medical context.
Vaccines are not associated with autism: an evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies. - PubMed - NCBI
Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0cfd/0253ceba70cad1a9eb89d8acc27c2b248524.pdf
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...-Mumps-and-Rubella-Vaccination-and-Autism.pdf

Multiple studies flat out showing these products have heavy metals in them is convincing enough for me.

Except no such studies exist. As I said, neither lead nor mercury in elemental form were ever used in vaccines. But you what does have elemental heavy metals in it? Tattoo ink. Do you have any tattoos? When you or your parents were young, did any of them use Mercurachrome on your cuts or scrapes? That contained a mercury compound similar to Thimerosal.

 

[super animator]

Ah yes the good old "autism is worst then dying from disease" implication...
I am literately worst than disease.