Where is the Soul located? And how does it wield the earthly body?

[The Times]

Only things are located in space and time.
I suppose if a location is to be given, then the soul may be located in God, in Christ specifically.

The souls under the altar of God, that is his soul repository. (Revelation 6:9)

 

[mama2one]

The OT used soul differently than the NT..

that is why I was getting mixed up as I've heard two different definitions

 

[The Times]

Matthew 8:31
The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”

But scripture describes demons as being cast out of the body, even possible to enter pigs.

Why would they ask for accessing pigs instead of humans?

Who divert access in the 1st place and not just sever their connection from the material realm?

The demons wanted a human user account and being diverted to a herd of swine was more like a prison sentence or quareenteen for them and so they drowned the pigs and severed their connection themselves.

You see the swine were to quareenteen them and then they severed it themselves to be in the hacking of humans game again without being permanently blocked from the creation matrix.

 

[mama2one]

only 3 things that last: faith, hope, and love
so imagine those are what's left of us when we die

and our "faith, hope, and love" rejoin the God of Love

whether we retain our intellect, individuality etc
do not know

 

[The Times]

The Soul is the Mind, Will and emotions of a person . It is housed in the spirit of man no matter if the spirit is born again or not.
The soul will stay intact with the spirit for eternity.
Blessings

What do you mean by housed?
How is the soul housed in the spirit?

 

[The Times]

I think we are really here. How it works, I'm not certain, but look at it this way. A beat consists of the moments of impact coupled with moments of no impact. Together they make the beat what it is, though one "is" and one "is not."

So the beats are a communication path, transmitting data. The question that begs is is the communication wireless remote access or hardwired into the beat generator itself.

 

[The Times]

Nice! And like the movie, The Matrix, there is reality behind the Matrix (world system), that is the real world, the spiritual world. The real world even had the city of Zion. But only born again believers know this, and Zion will be better than the movie, and not underground.

Isa 2:2　 It shall happen in the latter days, that the mountain of Yahweh’s house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be raised above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it.　

Isa 2:3　 Many peoples shall go and say, "Come, let’s go up to the mountain of Yahweh, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For out of Zion the law shall go out, and Yahweh’s word from Jerusalem.

I had a post about the "God Gene", you might like... or not.
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/is-there-a-god-gene.8077545/#post-73063355

So, yes the soul is where we feel and live, and how we process our environment-in our skin suites, where it seems the spirit is how we can communicate with Gods Spirit, and not only is the breath we breathe, but more on the lines of the mind. I've never really did a whole word study because it is very daunting. But it looks like we are a three part being-just like God is three persons, but one. So our body contains the soul and spirit, and we are one.

1Th 5:23　 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming (Parousia) of our Lord Jesus Christ.


I believe the soul has a "form", if you will. Notice this verse in Revelation:


Rev 6:9　 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had.　

Rev 6:10　 They cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"　

Rev 6:11　 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course.

Because of this, I believe what the angels are bringing "back", (those resting under the altar) with Jesus at the Parousia- the coming and resurrection; they are the souls in Heaven. They will be then put back together with the new resurrection bodies from the Earth, and those living will be "changed" without seeing death, a moment after the resurrection-this is called the "rapture". Notice this teaching of Jesus on the afterlife. Angels carry the souls!


Luk 16:22　 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.　

Luk 16:23　 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.　

Luk 16:24　 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'　

Luk 16:25　 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.　

Luk 16:26　 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'　

Notice below: These are all the same events, at the Parousia. Mark tells us the gathering will be from the heaven and Earth, and by angels. So the same event.


Mat 24:3　 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming,(Parousia) and of the end of the age?"　

Mar 13:24　 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;　

Mar 13:25　 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.　

Mar 13:26　 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.　

Mar 13:27　 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.


1Th 4:13　 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, (died) lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.　

1Th 4:14　 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.　(resting under the altar)

1Th 4:15　 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming (Parousia) of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.　

1Th 4:16　 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.　

1Th 4:17　 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together (rapture) with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.　

1Co 15:21　 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.　

1Co 15:22　 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.　

1Co 15:23　 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. (Parousia)
　
　

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

Only things are located in space and time.
I suppose if a location is to be given, then the soul may be located in God, in Christ specifically.

Jesus is mediator BETWEEN God the Father and man. Our souls are with us. It is possible for the spiritual to be located in the physical world even if they are in a spiritual realm. Satan is in this world, so are angels.

So where is our soul, I say it fills every ounce of our body while we live.

 

[The Times]

soul and spirit:


https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/soul/


https://www.biblestudytools.com/encyclopedias/isbe/spirit.html

Interchangeable meanings but to what context is what we exegetically look at to gain a better understanding. .

Duck can be an animal.
Duck can be to take cover at a lower height.

“The LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being”

Into the biomechanical body was the breath of life, the spark to make the body animate with full body and brain functions.

So the biomechanical body was built and it was kick started as a living organism.

The man became a living being. The became being is self awareness which is separate to the body and the breath of life into, the spirit, that is the nephesh.

What is to become mean?

A conscious self aware being. It doesn't say God gave or put in the soul, it became which points to the origins of the soul not terresterial.

 

[The Times]

This means when a man and woman reproduce, both a physical and spiritual body is created.

The way I understand it is that at conception the spark of life, that is the nephesh from God like the original breath he breathed into Adam enters an embryonic state to commerce body and brain functions. This is the spirit of life. Then at the moment of conception this biomechanical living organism is given a dive license user account access to a soul being within God's soul repository, so that the animated early spirit body becomes a living soul. This isa joining or remote connection being established by the creation system administrator who is God.

In certain cases the access us not given or revoked and the biomechanical body is still born, meaning all functions appear normal but there is nobody home so to speak. The body and brain can be put on life support but still there is nobody there to begin with fir the reason the spirit body did not become a living soul. No remote access, the body then is born as still.

Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Good verse to allude to the fact that the soul is unable to be accessed in the material world in order to be killed.

Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit,

The divide between the soul and spirit reveals that the spirit is life and the soul is consciousness of being. The two are separate.

 

[Gell]

You have to consider the Hebrew word for soul first which is Nephesh. The bible project has word study video about Nephesh.

 

[The Times]

Have you considered the paragraph below...

the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

There are three components here. The dirt man biomechanical body, the breath of life/spirit, that is the nephesh and thirdly the living soul being.

The first two are describing a biomechanical body being kick started to become a living organism. The third is distinct in that it is not part of the original process, rather a becoming a living being is outside of the material realm itself.

For example I build a computer with computer parts. The computer is inoperative until I give it juice/power and kick start it to start its booting up process to arrive at the user account login with password. Now I am a user outside of the computer and operating system who is being given access by the system administrator with privillege credentials to access the CPU hard disk and programs. I became a user when I have been given administrator access to the computer terminal interface.

The user is the soul, totally outside of the physical realm. The soul is given access by God to his creation as a user account with password credentials within his creation operating system. Now the single licence computer interface terminal grants access to a user through a user account to the server, which is creation. The CPU and hardisk are the brain and the body is the computer with its peripheral interfaces.

The system administrator can delete a user account hence to jott them out from the book of life, but the other users cannot access one anothers account to delete them from God's server, but only to sever the connection by destroying the access interface terminal which is the hardware, the body.

If human soul cannot be killed only by God then all things physical are not the soul, neither is soul a nephesh/spirit/breath of life.

 

[The Times]

Can anyone see that we conscious soul beings are not our body or brain?

 

[Ken Rank]

But firstly the question where is our soul located?

I have an answer, but I am also going to tell you my answer is probably wrong. The answer is, the soul is the connection and interaction between the mind and heart. The essence of who we are as individuals, the thoughts, emotions, feelings... all within the scope of the connection between the mind and heart. But I am likely not correct...

We only end up with "body, soul, and spirit" in the Greek, we don't really have that concept in the Hebrew. In the latter, God takes the man (the body) and breathes into it life and THEN it BECOMES a living soul:

Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

We "became" a nephesh, a soul or living being. As such, I am not sure then that we can pinpoint, exactly, where the soul is as it seems the entire combination of man (the body, the life giving spirit, and all that makes us... us) would appear to be the soul. Remove the breath of life, no soul.... remove the body... no soul. It is when the body and spirit come together and then we become a soul.

Again, it is only in the Greek where we have this trichotomy of man, a body, soul and spirit.

 

[oldrunner]

So I was hoping this would get deep!

#1. I don't recall demons as called as anything but an unclean "spirit". I don't believe they have souls. They seem to need a host to experience life in the material world-be it men or beasts. The demons in Luke 8 did not want to be put in the bottomless pit, deep, or abyss, where they are kept until the Day of The Lord judgement on the Earth.

Notice: Same Greek word here throughout. The fallen angels that sinned in the first world are kept in the lowest part/shaft of the bottomless pit or abyss. This is a different word- and only used once, but in the same location. (2nd Pet 2:4, Jude 6) They are keep bound under chains-these angels, like Satan will be bound for 1000 years. (Rev 20:1-3) Most likely the chains are because they are of a higher rank of fallen angels and thus stronger.

Luk 8:30　 Jesus asked him, saying, "What is your name?" And he said, "Legion," because many demons had entered him.　

Luk 8:31　 And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss. (bottomless pit)　

Luk 8:32　 Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they begged Him that He would permit them to enter them. And He permitted them.　

Rev 9:1　 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.　

Rev 9:2　 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.　

Rev 9:3　 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

#2. There are three theories on where the souls come from:

A. Creationism- God creates a new soul for each person and sends it to their body sometime between conception and birth.

B. Traducianism- Souls and body are inherited from the baby's mother and father at the time of birth.

C. Pre-existentianism- The souls exist in Heaven long before their bodies are conceived in the womb, and God brings the soul to Earth (from the well of souls, or soul repository)

A. is the most prevalent viewpoint in Christianity today. B. Has some followers. C. Has few because it is akin to reincarnation.
　
#3. The souls under the altar already died, so this cannot be used to support souls already being in Heaven. These are souls that come out of the Great Tribulation, because of the timeframe (seal), and they are killed in the same manner.


Rev 6:9　 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.　

Rev 6:10　 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"　

Rev 6:11　 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

 

[oldrunner]

Also, the problem I have with someone not becoming a soul until the breath of life is breathed into them, is abortion. This is how Bill Clinton justifies abortion. That is why I lean toward creationism.

Just food for thought.

 

[James Jones]

Always has been a mistake to understand consciousness or the soul in terms of our current technological standing.
People used to talk about the brain working like valves, before we had computer chips. They they talked about it being like computer chips, working on ones and zeros.

Now, neuroscientists are beginning to realise that an explanation for consciousness will never be found from a study of the material components of the brain.

In the same way, the OP is trying to fit something, that is probably wholly outside of the finite, time-bound mind's ability to understand, into a contemporary understanding of computing.

 

[Archivist]

What if you owe your soul to the company store?

For those who are younger, the line is from the song Sixteen Tons, recorded in 1955 by Tennessee Ernie Ford.

 

[oldrunner]

Can anyone see that we conscious soul beings are not our body or brain?

Yes, I agree. The brain itself is sarx, or flesh. But the blood carries the life. Here is an interesting verse and commentary by John Gill. That is why God wanted a blood sacrifice, and we cannot live without blood.


Gen 4:10　 And He said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries out to Me from the ground.　


Lev 17:11　 ForH3588 the lifeH5315 of the fleshH1320 is in the blood:H1818 and IH589 have givenH5414 it to you uponH5921 the altarH4196 to make an atonementH3722 forH5921 your souls:H5315 forH3588 itH1931 is the bloodH1818 that maketh an atonementH3722 for the soul.H5315　


For the life of the flesh is in the blood,.... The animal life or soul, the life and soul of every creature, and even the animal life and soul of man; agreeably to which our famous Dr. Harvey, who found out the circulation of the blood, says of it, that it is the principal part which first appears in generation; is the genital part, the fountain of life the first that lives, and the last that dies; the primary seat of the soul or life, from whence motion and pulsation take their rise; in which the innate heat is produced the vital spirit is generated and the life consists (i); and therefore it is spread all over the body, and according to the condition that it is in, such is the health and such the diseases of the body; yea, the affections of the mind, such as fear, shame, joy, and anger are discovered by it. Hence Antoninus the emperor, more than once, calls the soul a vapour or exhalation arising out of the blood (k); and the sentiments of various Jewish writers agree herewith: says Aben Ezra, it is a truth, that the soul or life, with which man lives, is in the blood of the heart; so says Jarchi the soul or life depends upon the blood; and Ben Gersom observes, that the blood is the vessel of the soul to carry in it the fundamental heat, and food to the parts of the body; and hence the animal only dies when the blood is removed:

 

[oldrunner]

Here is a good text on how we are made. Notice David seems to see his whole being as fashioned by God. Just as Job.

Psa 139:13　 For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother's womb.　

Psa 139:14　 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well.　

Psa 139:15　 My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.　

Psa 139:16　 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them.

Job 31:15　 Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One fashion us in the womb?