What do Christians think of the Jewish messiah?

[Godistruth1]

As its not going to be Jesus Son of Mary, who will this messiah be?

 

[TuxAme]

Jesus is the Messiah. As in, the Messiah. There is no other.

 

[Rhamiel]

Jesus is the Messiah
Before Jesus comes again a number of Jews will become Christians and the rest of the Jews will follow a false Messiah called the Antichrist

 

[ewq1938]

As its not going to be Jesus Son of Mary, who will this messiah be?

It will be one of the false Messiahs Jesus warned about.

 

[Valetic]

As its not going to be Jesus Son of Mary, who will this messiah be?

The anti-christ.

Genesis 2:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

The Jewish Messiah already came, but "no Prophet is accepted in his own country".

 

[John Bowen]

Because the outer messiah will never come.Only by connecting to the kingdom of God that is within you will you connect to Jesus and become reborn of water and spirit becoming the bride of Christ.

 

[CherubRam]

As its not going to be Jesus Son of Mary, who will this messiah be?

Peniel was the Messenger of Yahwah who was born into this world and named Yahshua.

A Body You Have Prepared For Me.

Psalm 40 commentary.
N.I.V. foot note for Psalms 40:6 reads: “Hebrew; Septuagint: but a body you have prepared for me. (See also Symmachus and Theodotion)” End of quote.

Symmachus the Ebonite was a late 2nd century author of one of the Greek versions of the Old Testament.

Theodotion 200 A.D.
Theodotion was a Jewish scholar, perhaps working in Ephesus, who translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek. Whether he was revising the Septuagint, or was working from Hebrew manuscripts that represented a parallel tradition that has not survived, and is debated. His finished version, which filled some lacunae in the Septuagint version of the Book of Jeremiah and Book of Job, formed one column in Origen's Hexapla. (The Hexapla presented six Hebrew and Greek texts side-by-side: two Greek versions, by Aquila of Sinope and Symmachus, preceding the Septuagint, and Theodotian's version following it, apparently reflecting a contemporary understanding of their historical sequence.

Theodotion's translation was so widely copied in the Early Christian church, that it superseded the Septuagint Book of Daniel. Jerome, in his preface to Daniel records the rejection of the Septuagint version in Christian usage, asserting that its translation was very faulty.

Although Theodotion was Anti-Christ, it may not have occurred to him to change the Hebrew Psalm script from reading: “But a body you have prepared for me.” In Hebrews 10:5 the verse is also repeated. “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;”…

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit.

Orthodox Jews claim that He (God) would not father a child upon a human woman. So, the idea of Christ being a human, fathered by the Holy Spirit is not 'impossible', it would just prove God to be a liar. If the lineage goes through Mary, it does not count because tribal lineage only goes through the father, while national lineage only goes through the mother. If it goes through Joseph, it does not count, because Joseph was not his father.


I would like to state that Christians never claimed that God procreated through Mary, but that He (God) created a body in the linage of David. I do not think that that linage ruling was in effect at the time of Christ birth.

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Yahshua Messiah as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1 John 2:22. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Yahshua is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25. And this is what he even promised us—eternal life.
26. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.



The Masoretes Version

Psalms 40:6. Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but my ears you have pierced;
burnt offerings and sin offerings
you did not require.
7. Then I said, "Here I am, I have come—
it is written about me in the scroll.


If those who are the Anti-Christ deny that the Messiah would come in bodily form, then it is very likely for them to have changed the Hebrew text of Psalms 40:6 to read: “but my ears you have pierced”…


Long before the Christian era the scripture read: "a body you have prepared for me." The Masoretes Version is a late entry into the bible.

 

[danny ski]

What difference does it make what Christians think about that?

 

[Starcomet]

My opinion is that it is just a title for one who will restore the Jewish Kingdom.

 

[ViaCrucis]

According to the Christian religion the Jewish Messiah has already come. That's why our religion is called Christianity.

If the Messiah has not yet come, then Christianity is a false religion, and our thoughts one way or another are meaningless.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[danny ski]

According to the Christian religion the Jewish Messiah has already come. That's why our religion is called Christianity.

If the Messiah has not yet come, then Christianity is a false religion, and our thoughts one way or another are meaningless.

-CryptoLutheran

Calling Jesus a Jewish Messiah is the problem. He may have been "Jewish", but he was not any sort of messiah in the religious sense. His Jewishness was of no consequence to the Jews nor is of any consequence to the Christians, who are proud to say they are his followers, yet dismiss who he was- a Law observing traveling preacher. In a sense, Jesus evolved out of his religion and out of his time. Not by himself and not at the time, but by latter interpretation of the man. Hence, I would think that his proper name should be the Christian Messiah.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Calling Jesus a Jewish Messiah is the problem. He may have been "Jewish", but he was not any sort of messiah in the religious sense. His Jewishness was of no consequence to the Jews nor is of any consequence to the Christians, who are proud to say they are his followers, yet dismiss who he was- a Law observing traveling preacher. In a sense, Jesus evolved out of his religion and out of his time. Not by himself and not at the time, but by latter interpretation of the man. Hence, I would think that his proper name should be the Christian Messiah.

I'm not trying to convince you, or any Jewish person for that matter, that Jesus was/is the Messiah. But it's not exactly some radical notion that the Christian religion is based on the premise that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah.

It is okay for people from different religions to disagree on things.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ewq1938]

Hence, I would think that his proper name should be the Christian Messiah.

He is simply "The Messiah" that was promised in the old testament, was born under the old covenant and lived as a torah compliant Jew but his death ended the covenant and issued in a new one built upon even better promises. Judaism had become corrupt and a new religion would be born from this man and that new path is the only one to righteousness and eternal life. We all must either follow that narrow path or walk the one the majority does and that larger path leads to destruction and all other religions and non-religious peoples walk there.

 

[Phil 1:21]

What do Christians think of the Jewish messiah?

Jesus Christ? We're pretty fond of him.

 

[JackRT]

Messiah means literally "anointed one" and was the common way in which the Jews referred to kings of the dynasty of David. "Anointed" refers of course to the method of investiture of the Jewish kings. It translated into the Greek as "Christos". The Jews regarded themselves as a "theocracy"... a kingdom ruled by God. The Jews also envisaged a (metaphorical) throne room in which there were three thrones. God occupied the central throne. At "the right hand of God" was the throne of the "king messiah" who was the reigning king of the house and family of David. At "the left hand of God" was the throne of the "priest messiah" who was the high priest of the house and family of Zadok. Ideally there were always two messiahs who were known collectively as the "sons of God". All these terms, "messiah", "kingdom of God", "at the right hand of God" and "son of God" were political rather than religious statements. It was a later generation of gentile Christians who re-interpreted these phrases in a very different religious sense. Both before and after the death of Jesus the early Christians, who were, after all, practicing Jews, understood these terms in their traditional sense. Jesus in claiming to be the messiah had not committed any blasphemy... there was no religious crime that the high priest could legitimately charge him with. That is why he went to the Romans to do the job.

A great many Christians forget that Jesus was born, raised and lived an observant Jew and died with Hebrew scripture on his tongue. The more I study scripture and its entire context, the closer I feel to Judaism.

 

[ewq1938]

A great many Christians forget that Jesus was born, raised and lived an observant Jew and died with Hebrew scripture on his tongue. The more I study scripture and its entire context, the closer I feel to Judaism.

Yet he also started a new religion that would be very different from Judaism, and did not want anyone to continue in the path of Judaism because of all the flaws that became part of it. The NT is clear on these matters.

 

[JackRT]

Yet he also started a new religion that would be very different from Judaism, and did not want anyone to continue in the path of Judaism because of all the flaws that became part of it. The NT is clear on these matters.

I read the New Testament too. Actually Jesus seems to have been working for the reform of Judaism. It was his followers, particularly Paul, who established a new religion.

 

[ewq1938]

I read the New Testament too. Actually Jesus seems to have been working for the reform of Judaism. It was his followers, particularly Paul, who established a new religion.

Paul didn't start anything. He was Christ's Apostle. Jesus came to end the first covenant and begin the new one.


Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

 

[danny ski]

He is simply "The Messiah" that was promised in the old testament, was born under the old covenant and lived as a torah compliant Jew but his death ended the covenant and issued in a new one built upon even better promises. Judaism had become corrupt and a new religion would be born from this man and that new path is the only one to righteousness and eternal life. We all must either follow that narrow path or walk the one the majority does and that larger path leads to destruction and all other religions and non-religious peoples walk there.

We capitalize Torah. Your post does contain one thing we agree on. Jesus died. A Jewish messiah must be alive to be considered as such. That's probably the most basic requirement when discussing the "Jewish Messiah".