Do we live near the last days? What does Revelation 18 mean?

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I have been telling you, I don't how many times.

The third woe is the anger Satan has when is cast down to earth, knowing he has but a little time left - which he takes out his anger on the inhabiters of the earth.

So this is why your whole Eschatology gets twisted in circles ? You actually think because God says Woe unto earth that is one of the Three Woes, thus the 7th Trumpet has to usher in Satan being cast down, even though no time-line anywhere in the Bible agrees with this !! Wow, the Woe God says in Rev. 12 has absolutely nothing to do with any of the three Woes brother !!

Dan. 12 tells us that Micheal stands up and then Israel has 1260 days in which they are protected. So Satan is cast down at the Midway point, and that is at the First Seal. Rev. 12 happens during Rev. chapter 6, at the First Seal. Rev. 13 happens during Rev. ch 6 at the First Seal.

You have the whole time-line confused. Go read my thread on the tome-line. I made it easy to understand brother.

The 7th trumpet is not the woe. It announces the woe. Just as the other two trumpets did.

The 7 Vials are the Third Woe. The 5th Trumpet was the 1st Woe. The 6th Trumpet was the 2nd Woe. WOE.......WOE.........WOE.

Woe 1 = Demon Army.

Woe 2 = Angelic Army of 200 Million.

Woe 3 = 7 Bowls of Gods Wrath which ends with Victory by Jesus.
 
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Sigh.... why are you arguing with me? It says 1260 days, 42 months, a time, times, half times for a reason. 1260 days ia a precise to the day expression. 42 months is used to represent a little lest than 1260days. As is the time, times, half times.
Get the old Jewish Calendar, its always 30 days per month...I do not care what the actual spinning of the universe says, that is irrelevant to how men keep time. Everyone knows the Jewish Calendar were 30 day cycles.

A person can track right through Revelation 12 alone, by itself, and see it. Everything is in sequence.
Rev. 12 is not even a REAL TIME EVENT.
 
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And no one is counting the First Half of the 70th Week. He comes to power via the FIRST SEAL, the White Horse. Thus hes the Beast for 42 Months. Th Two-witnesses show up 75 Days before the FIRST SEAL is broken, and thus they die 75 days before the Beast dies.
The person is not the beast in the first seal, but the Antichrist. The 42 months in Revelation is the 1256.5 days he rules after the two witnesses are gone.

Th Two-witnesses show up 75 Days before the FIRST SEAL is broken, and thus they die 75 days before the Beast dies.

The beast is cast alive into the lake of fire. What you are not saying is the world having a holday celebrating for 3 1/3 days over the two witnesses being killed. Celebrating at the worse of the great tribulation, while there is mass starvation going on, people dying in mass numbers - that they are going to be going down to Walmart and buying each other presents. Your timing is way off, RT.
 
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So this is why your whole Eschatology gets twisted in circles ? You actually think because God says Woe unto earth that is one of the Three Woes, thus the 7th Trumpet has to usher in Satan being cast down,
No, based upon the 1260 days being in Revelation 12:6 being before the war in the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9 and then the woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12, Satan knowing he has only a time, times, half time left in Revelation 12:14. Everything in sequence.
 
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Dan. 12 tells us that Micheal stands up and then Israel has 1260 days in which they are protected
It doesn't say 1260 days in Daniel 12. Do you know what it says?

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Do you know what it says, after Michael and his angels cast Satan down to earth?

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

It does not say 1260 days in either place.
 
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The 7 Vials are the Third Woe. The 5th Trumpet was the 1st Woe. The 6th Trumpet was the 2nd Woe. WOE.......WOE.........WOE.

Woe 1 = Demon Army.

Woe 2 = Angelic Army of 200 Million.

Woe 3 = 7 Bowls of Gods Wrath which ends with Victory by Jesus.
Again, the trumpet themselves are not the woes. They announce the woes.

Woe 1 = the flesh torment locust.

Woe 2 = a third of mankind killed by the large army

Woe 3 = Satan cast down to earth to take his wrath out on the inhabiters of the earth.

The bowls of wrath are not called a woe.
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In Revelation, following the 7th trumpet are:

1. Satan cast down, his wrath about his situation is said to be a Woe to the inhabiterns of the earth.

2. God's 7 bowls of His wrath, not called a woe in the text.

Which of the two is the third woe?
 
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This reminds of the muslim argument that nowhere in the bible does Jesus say "I am God".

You stated that God loves Satan. You provide a scripture. I can't even bear to say spell it out, it so blasphemous. I am not going to be dragged down a discussion in that reqards. I quit this exchange.

I can tell you, I hate Satan, and can't wait to see his end. I am going to rejoice like all the others in heaven.

AS I figured it was your opinion not supported by scripture.
 
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Three time periods in prophecy that are the same span of time with differnt wordage

1260 days =1260 years
42 months = 30days x 42 months = 1260 years
Times times and dividing of time = time one year + times two years = dividing of time 1/2 year =3.5 years x 30 days x 12 months =1260 days

three different references to the same event, the rule of the Papacy (religious and secular rule) from 538 ad, Bishop of Rome became the Caesar of Rome by Justinian (secular power) to 1798 AD when the papacy was removed by General Berthier suffering a deadly wound and the wound was healed by Mussolini in 1929 when the country of the Vatican was established (secular power)

Amazing how HISTORY FULFILLS PROPHECY exactly


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In the text of the bible, in Daniel 9:26-27, the sequence of events are -

The messiah is cutoff - then the destruction of the city and temple (70 AD) - then confirmation of the covenant for 7 years.

Your chart is in error (on that point alone). It does not show the destruction of the city and temple (70 AD) - followed by the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years.
 
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The person is not the beast in the first seal, but the Antichrist. The 42 months in Revelation is the 1256.5 days he rules after the two witnesses are gone.
The 42 months is as per a lunar calendar, it is 30 day months and its thus 1260 days. When the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem he will then become the Beast over the Mediterranean Sea Region which is why Daniel 7 and Rev. 13 show the Beasts rising from the Sea. Thus when the First Seal is opened, the Beast comes forth. The Two-witnesses come on the scene 75 days before the Beast does and dies 75 days before he Beast does. Its simple math, unless you want to try and say the 7th Trumpet sounds and then the 7 vials last 1260 days or whatever this 1256.5 (SMH) days is, then you are wrong, and you are wrong, its simple math. Of course this whole "The Anti-Christ is accepted as the King of the Jews by the Jews" is where you go off the rails to start with.
The beast is cast alive into the lake of fire. What you are not saying is the world having a holday celebrating for 3 1/3 days over the two witnesses being killed. Celebrating at the worse of the great tribulation, while there is mass starvation going on, people dying in mass numbers - that they are going to be going down to Walmart and buying each other presents. Your timing is way off, RT.
No, your timing is so off I have come to the conclusion no one that far off can ever be reached with reason. The Beast is cast into hell after he is killed just as Dan. 7:11 says. He is never allowed to SLEEP in the Grave, thus he is cast STRAIGHT INTO HELL.......And our spirits never die, thus he is cast alive, right after hes killed, no time for SOUL SLEEP.

No, based upon the 1260 days being in Revelation 12:6 being before the war in the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9 and then the woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12, Satan knowing he has only a time, times, half time left in Revelation 12:14. Everything in sequence.
Rev. 12 STARTS during the Rev. 6 Events. So Satan is cast to earth WAY BEFORE any Woes start, your chronology is just way off because you don't understand the proper sequences via Revelation.

It doesn't say 1260 days in Daniel 12. Do you know what it says?

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Do you know what it says, after Michael and his angels cast Satan down to earth?

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

It does not say 1260 days in either place.
Yes it does, a TIME is a YEAR..........a TIME(S) is 2 YEARS.........and a Half [time] is a 1/2 YEAR !! Its not that difficult, you just try and make it difficult but I don't buy men's ideas/theories. Its 360 days PLUS 720 days PLUS 180 days which = 1260 days. It is SIMPLE not COMPLEX.

Which means the Anti-Christ is RELEASED to become the Beast over Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region in the Middle of the Week at the 1260 Event. Thus the holy Jews power will be SCATTERED at the 1260 Event. Israel flees at the 1290, which happens 30 days before the 1260, but Israel only needs to be protected for 1260 days because the Beast Conquers Jerusalem 30 days later. Thus God protects her for the EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME as the Beast rules over the Region and Israel.

You not knowing its 1260 days is on you, everybody else in the world understands its 1260 days.

Again, the trumpet themselves are not the woes. They announce the woes.

Woe 1 = the flesh torment locust.

Woe 2 = a third of mankind killed by the large army

Woe 3 = Satan cast down to earth to take his wrath out on the inhabiters of the earth.

The bowls of wrath are not called a woe.
Oh brother.........like no kidding, why even point that out, LOL, come on man,that's kiddie stuff. The TRUMPETS ANNOUNCE THE COMING WOES !! They thus in turn represent the Woes !!

Woe 1 = Demons..........you can call it what you want to, maters not to me.

Woe 2 = An Angelic Army, DELIVERING PLAGUES just like the verses say.

Woe 3 = The Seven Vials, you not getting that is ON YOU, its why your Chronological order is so far off kilter. Prophecy isn't for everyone brother. Its my calling. The 7 Vials last 260 days.....NOT !!

The Bowls of Wrath are the 3rd Woe. Only you can't seemingly figure it out.

In Revelation, following the 7th trumpet are:

1. Satan cast down, his wrath about his situation is said to be a Woe to the inhabiterns of the earth.

2. God's 7 bowls of His wrath, not called a woe in the text.

Which of the two is the third woe?

Satan is cast down in the Middle of the Week, that is why he chases the Woman (Israel) into he Wilderness. The 7th Trumpet is the 3rd Woe. Of course looking for that 3rd Woe has thrown all your timings off.

Why do you continue to argue with me - when you can plainly see the sequence in Revelation 12 for yourself?

I am not arguing, just trying to straighten out your time-lines. Rev. 12 happens during Rev. ch. 6.
 
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Its simple math, unless you want to try and say the 7th Trumpet sounds and then the 7 vials last 1260 days or whatever this 1256.5 (SMH) days is, then you are wrong, and you are wrong, its simple math.
It is not possible to know exactly how long the 7 vials last. They take place during the last 42 months (1256.5 days).
 
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Rev. 12 STARTS during the Rev. 6 Events. So Satan is cast to earth WAY BEFORE any Woes start, your chronology is just way off because you don't understand the proper sequences via Rev.
Revelation 6 covers the 7 years, so yes Revelation 12 is during that time. I do understand the proper sequences via Revelation. All a person has to do in Revelation 12, is read the sequence for themselves. Revelation 12:6, 1260 days. Then Revelation 12:7-9, the war in the second heaven, Satan cast down to earth. Then Revelation 12:11-17, the time, times, half times.
 
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Woe 3 = The Seven Vials, you not getting that is ON YOU, its why your Chronological order is so far off kilter. Prophecy isn't for everyone brother. Its my calling. Th 7 Vials last 260 days...NOT !!
No, the text indicates that Satan cast down to earth is the third woe. The seven vials are not called a woe in the text.

I have never said the vials last 1260 days. It is not possible to determine how long the vials lasts, and the exact beginning of each. They will take place during the last 42 months (1256.5 days).
 
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1After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2With a mighty voice he shouted:
“ ‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’18:2 Isaiah 21:9
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
3For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Warning to Escape Babylon’s Judgment
4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“ ‘Come out of her, my people,’18:4 Jer. 51:45
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
6Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
7Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;18:7 See Isaiah 47:7,8.
I will never mourn.’
8Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

There is a woman who is claiming to be God this day. Also there was a man, and another man also claiming to be God. It is all very strange. There have been dozens who have claimed to be God throughout this century alone.

The concepts of adultery and prostitution involving the woman and her daughters are part of the marriage analogy in which we are to become the bride of Christ. For the bride-to-be, to seek Him or His guidance or instruction through another is to commit spiritual adultery. To remain pure, she must not accept any substitute.

This institution of man that promotes itself as the only way to Him and to heaven and has a historical record making and breaking kings and causing them to go to war, just so happens to be the source of scores of spiritual offspring created in her image (her daughters).
 
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It is not possible to know exactly how long the 7 vials last. They take place during the last 42 months (1256.5 days).
I have figured it out, you on the other hand say they last 1260 days, because you say the 7th Trumpet is the Middle of the week, thus it has to be at east 1260 days. But its just not factual brother.

Revelation 6 covers the 7 years, so yes Revelation 12 is during that time. I do understand the proper sequences via Revelation. All a person has to do in Revelation 12, is read the sequence for themselves. Revelation 12:6, 1260 days. Then Revelation 12:7-9, the war in the second heaven, Satan cast down to earth. Then Revelation 12:11-17, the time, times, half times.

Rev. 6 starts in the Middle of the Week, as does Rev. 12 and Rev. 13. As does Rev. 17 and Rev. 18. Rev. 19 actually does covers the full 7 years. Rev. 6 is the Anti-Christ gong forth to become the Beast which ARISES out of the (Rev. 13) Sea. The Jews Flee from basically this point in time thus the Red Dragon via the Beast chases them into the WILDERNESS for the 1260 days that he rules. Thus they ALL START AT THE EXACT SAME TIME !! Pronto.

Rev. 17 is All False Religions being Judged, that starts when the Beast COME FORTH (Rev. 16), he destroys Islam and ALL RELIGIONS, comes after the Remnant Church (Martyrs) and after the Jews all at the EXACT SAME TIME !! Rev. 18 is the WHOLE WORLD (Babylon) being hit with the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments over a 1260 day period. The False Religion Harlot is destroyed or killed off at the beginning of Rev. ch. 6.

No, the text indicates that Satan cast down to earth is the third woe. The seven vials are not called a woe in the text.

I have never said the vials last 1260 days. It is not possible to determine how long the vials lasts, and the exact beginning of each. They will take place during the last 42 months (1256.5 days).

Trump 5 = Woe 1
Trump 6 = Woe 2
Trump 7 = All 7 Vials just like SEAL 7 is ALL 7 Trumpets !!

Its not that complicated brother. And you mist certainly did say that the 7th Trumpet is the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK................Well that means its in the middle of a 7 year period which = 3.5 years which = 126 days.

The 7th Trump is not however in the Middle of the Week, the FIRST SEAL is in the MoW.
 
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