Do we live near the last days? What does Revelation 18 mean?

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Babylon the great is the mystical kingdom of Satan, overshadowing the earth. Babylon is fallen, is fallen, is talking about when in Revelation 12, there is the war in the second heaven, and Satan and his angels cast down to earth.
I gave this some thought, it sounded promising because in Rev. 18 this is said just before Israel are told to "Come out of her my people", and thus it kinda matches Rev. 6 where the Stars are cast to earth, then in Rev. 7 where the 144,000 Flee Judea.

But the scriptures tell us the EARTH is Babylon.

Rev. 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

This BECOME can only mean Earth, where the devils were CAST DOWN UNTO. If it were speaking of a Spiritual Kingdom in the Heavens then when Satan and his demons were cast down to Earth, the "BABYLON" of the Spirit World would no have BECOME that Habitation of devils, it would have been set free from their habitation.

This is my gift, what can I say. I understand these things because I hold no preconceived agendas.
 
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There are many reasons why I think these are the last days. This very scholarly, historical and Biblical vid (in my opinion) spells out some major reasons why I believe that. It is not fun to watch. It is about how Islam is really in the Bible in the O.T. and in Revelation. Who beheads people for their Christian faith, for example? Israel is said in the last days to be surrounded by counties that are her enemies. They are all Muslim countries now.
I agree, these are the last days, the sign post is/was Israel being given life via God breathing on those DEAD BONES. Where we part ways is on the Islamic angle, I have watched many of those Videos, even that one before, and I usually can no get all the way through them because understand they are leading people astray, and that bothers me too much as a preacher of 30 years !!

In Johns time Beheading was the number one way to execute people, Rome brought forth crucifixion but most of the world did not crucify people, the beheaded them. So of course John sees those being persecuted as being beheaded, it covers all executions, and most will just be shot, of course, or poisoned in these end times.

They will be Muslim countries surrounding Israel, but if we read the Psalm 83 War we see Israel wins, if we read about the Ezekiel 38 & 39 War, we see God defeats Gog and Magog on Israel's Holy Mountain. So these are not going to defeat Israel, the Anti-Christ and his 10 European Kings will Conquer Israel, not any Muslim horde of nations.

Revelation talks about a 7th Beast/Empire that has its head/leadership cut off, but comes back to life. The Islamic Caliphate, that ruled the huge and mighty Ottoman Empire, was demolished in WW1. Now it is coming back to life. Muslims are calling for a new Caliphate/uniting leadership, especially Turkey. Of course they are set on world domination.

Well, if you want to see more, there is the vid.

One of the Heads suffers a MORTAL WOUND, but its not the 7th head, its the 6th head, else we couldn't just have 7, we would have to have 8 if the 7th was wounded. Rome ceased being a Beast for two reasons, in juxtaposition to Israel, they could no longer Beast over Israel because God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones for night 2000 years, from Jesus death circa maybe 70-125 AD or even his death, until 1948, God refused to recognize Israel at all, He turned His back on them, on purpose. Also, Jesus stated the gates of hell could not prevail over his Church, thus as long as the Church is on earth, we have all power over demons, the BEAST can not come forth until the Departure (2 Thess. 2:3) of the Church, then the Man of Sin comes forth (is Revealed), when that which RESTRAINS (Church with the Holy Spirit working through it) is taken out of the way.

The reason the Ottoman Empire, the British Empire, the United States are not BEASTS is because there can be NO BEAST when there is no Israel to Conquer, when the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel, he will become the LAST (7th) BEAST HEAD. The Mortal Wound of this Figurative Beast will be Healed. The Beast will once again be in order, bringing Israel unto repentance, but its not going to be an Islamic Beast, the Anti-Christ will wipe out all Religions via killing the Harlot which is ALL FALSE RELIGION.

In other words, to keep it simple, Islam will be wiped off the face of the earth by the Anti-Christ.
 
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The last beast is not the 7th, but the 7th becoming the 8th. The 7th beast has its head (leadership) cut off (the Ottoman Empire) but comes back to life (the new, reviving, Caliphate) as the 8th beast.

Again, Mystery Babylon burns and is destroyed in one day. Jerusalem is attacked but never destroyed. You say you didn't want to watch the vid because of your preconceived notions about it. That's your right. I'm not going to debate it any further. But we can hopefully agree that Revelation warns us very sternly not to change it in anyway. Blessings and bye.
 
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The last beast is not the 7th, but the 7th becoming the 8th. The 7th beast has its head (leadership) cut off (the Ottoman Empire) but comes back to life (the new, reviving, Caliphate) as the 8th beast.

Again, Mystery Babylon burns and is destroyed in one day. Jerusalem is attacked but never destroyed. You say you didn't want to watch the vid because of your preconceived notions about it. That's your right. I'm not going to debate it any further. But we can hopefully agree that Revelation warns us very sternly not to change it in anyway. Blessings and bye.
There is no 8th (Physical National Beast) brother, the 8th is a Demon Spirit who is OF THE 7. His name is Apollyon. Hes the Scarlet Colored Beast with NO CROWNS.

Islam will be wiped off the face of the earth by the Anti-Christ, Joel Richardson is clueless on this as is Shoebat. There is no MYSTERY Babylon, Rev. 17:7 tells us that, go read it....I will tell thee the MYSTERY of the Woman and the Beast she rides.....So how is it a Mystery ? Musterion (Mystery) only means SECRET by Gods silence, once the Angel tells us the Secret its no longer a Secret.

Babylon is the WHOLE WORLD, read Rev. 16:19, where God defeats the Nations that gather against him from ALL OVER THE WORLD and see what God calls them..........BABYLON THE GREAT is what he calls them. Babylon = the Whole World. Its not ONE CITY and never was.

No I have seen that video before and I can't watch rubbish. I didn't say I wouldn't watch a video, I just watched a 40 minute video someone recommended.

And most people just don't have a clue about Rev. so they probably do not think they are changing it, their guessing's are just wrong guesses I assume.
 
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Babylon the great is the mystical kingdom of Satan, overshadowing the earth. Babylon is fallen, is fallen, is talking about when in Revelation 12, there is the war in the second heaven, and Satan and his angels cast down to earth.


I gave this some thought, it sounded promising because in Rev. 18 this is said just before Israel are told to "Come out of her my people", and thus it kinda matches Rev. 6 where the Stars are cast to earth, then in Rev. 7 where the 144,000 Flee Judea.

In Revelation 12:15-16, after Satan and his angels cast down to earth, as mytery Babylon the Great fallen, Satan's kingdom - the earth helps the woman Israel, the Jews, by opening and swallowing the flood (the armies that Satan sends). Those are the ones who have fled into the wilderness while the two witnesses provided cover as they were battling beast in Revelation 11.

In Revelation 12:17 The remainder of of Israel, who did not flee and make it into the wilderness in time, will be held hostages, more or less, and persecuted by Satan.


Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. [RT, the Jews will have started fleeing when the two witnesses start battling with the beast. That will afford their best opportunity to get away.]

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. [that's all of the supernatural plagues that come on the earth and the beast's kingdom]

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. [RT, the remnant are the remainder of the Jew, who did not make it into the wilderness in time]

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The whole thing of troubles start when the AoD the image of the beast is placed in the temple (on day 1185) 1335 days before Jesus returns. That's the signal for the Jews to flee. It will be near the end of 1260 days of the two witnesses.

They will battle the beast from day 1185, as the Jews flee for those 75 days to the end of their time, on day 1260.

The beast then kills them. It will be on day 1260. 3 1/2 days later, the two witnesses rise back to life, ascend to heaven. The 7th trumpet sounds, and it is the go signal for Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels from the second heaven down to earth. And the woe, described third to John, to the inhabitants of the earth begins.

The other two woes - described first to John - were the flesh torment locust, and the third of mankind killed by the huge army.

Timeline -to the destruction the beast
1260 days (Rev 11:3) + 3 1/2 days + 1256.5 days (Rev 11:2, 13:5 called 42 months) = 2520 days

Timeline - to the end of Satan
1260 days + 3 1/2 days (then 7th trumpet, then the war in second heaven) + time, times, half time = 2520 days
 
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Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, prove that the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jewish people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel, during the first century.
There is the destruction of the temple and city - first, verse 26. Before the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years, verse 27.

Which puts the confirmation of the covenant after 70 AD.
 
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Do we live near the last days? What does Revelation 18 mean?

I would say the last days of the OC Jewish nation/Jerusalem, showing in Revelation, was fulfilled in 70ad..

Genesis 49:1
And Jacob called his sons and said, “Gather together, that I may tell you what shall befall you in the last days:


Zephaniah 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold Shall be able to deliver them In the day of the LORD's wrath;

But the whole land[Judea?] shall be devoured By the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make speedy riddance Of all those who dwell in the land.

[written before 70 ad]
Hebrews 1:2

has in these last days spoken to us by His Son,
whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

[written before 70ad]
James 5:3
Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you

and will eat your flesh like fire.
You have heaped up treasure in the last days.

Revelation 17:16
“And the ten horns which you saw on[fn] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat Her flesh and burn Her with fire.


Revelation 18:

8
“Therefore Her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And She will be utterly burned with fire,
for strong is the Lord God who judges Her.
12

merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;
 
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There is the destruction of the temple and city - first, verse 26. Before the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years, verse 27.

Which puts the confirmation of the covenant after 70 AD.

Only if you think the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant already promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then he forgot to even mention the New Covenant.

The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.

Do you deny that the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jewish people, based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18?

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Only if you think the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant already promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then he forgot to even mention the New Covenant.
The confirmation of the covenant for 7 years is after the destruction of the city and the temple. You, on the other hand, are making claims of before the 70 AD destruction.

The messiah is cutoff - then the destruction of the temple and city (verse 26). Then (in verse 27) the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years. In the middle of the 7 years, the daily sacrifice is stopped, and the abomination takes place.

That's the order of the text.

Do you deny that the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jewish people, based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18?
The gospel taken to the Jewish people first - is not one of the things listed in Daniel 9.
 
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In Revelation 12:15-16, after Satan and his angels cast down to earth,
This is true.........
In Revelation 12:15-16, after Satan and his angels cast down to earth, as mytery Babylon the Great fallen, Satan's kingdom - the earth helps the woman Israel,
But then you try to "LINK THE TWO" via no facts whatsoever brother. Where did you get Mystery Babylon in that passage? You put it there right? And that his how we get off track. I clearly explained why it has to be an EARTHLY KINGDOM, of course you conveniently left that off.........go figure.

I mean its like elementary, if something has Babylon BECOME a habitation of devils after Satan was cast down to earth, its time to admit its the earth. This is how I roll, my ideas mean nothing if they are not backed up by the Word of God.

In Revelation 12:17 The remainder of of Israel, who did not flee and make it into the wilderness in time, will be held hostages, more or less, and persecuted by Satan.

Of course you can't read Rev. 12:17 and not understand there are two different peoples being spoken of, the Jews who were protected, and the REMNANT CHURCH on earth who are not protected. Why would those Jews who believe in Christ NOT be protected Douggg ? They are the ones that Flee Judea. Those who the Dragon turn against are the Christians who become Christians AFTER the Rapture thus they are a REMNANT (small part that's left) of the Church, who is in Heaven in LARGE PART.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. [RT, the remnant are the remainder of the Jew, who did not make it into the wilderness in time]

No, the Remnant is the Church, God protects the Jews who repent. HER SEED was Jesus, thus the REMNANT of HER SEED are Christians.

The whole thing of troubles start when the AoD the image of the beast is placed in the temple (on day 1185) 1335 days before Jesus returns. That's the signal for the Jews to flee. It will be near the end of 1260 days of the two witnesses.

The AoD happens at the 1290 which is 1230 days into the 70th week. As for the 1335 that seems to be the Two-witnesses showing up. So they Flee when the AoD happens at the 1290 according to Jesus in Matthew 24 and Daniel 12 via Gabriel.

They will battle the beast from day 1185, as the Jews flee for those 75 days to the end of their time, on day 1260.

The beast then kills them. It will be on day 1260. 3 1/2 days later, the two witnesses rise back to life, ascend to heaven. The 7th trumpet sounds, and it is the go signal for Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels from the second heaven down to earth. And the woe, described third to John, to the inhabitants of the earth begins.

The other two woes - described first to John - were the flesh torment locust, and the third of mankind killed by the huge army.

Timeline -to the destruction the beast
1260 days (Rev 11:3) + 3 1/2 days + 1256.5 days (Rev 11:2, 13:5 called 42 months) = 2520 days

Timeline - to the end of Satan
1260 days + 3 1/2 days (then 7th trumpet, then the war in second heaven) + time, times, half time = 2520 days
I think I have relayed the time-line as I see it, no use rehashing it again here.
 
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hen (in verse 27) the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years. In the middle of the 7 years, the daily sacrifice is stopped, and the abomination takes place.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.



Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Mat_27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;


Gal 1:14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through His grace,
Gal 1:16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
Gal 1:17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.


Mat 23:38 See! Your house is left to you desolate;



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But then you try to "LINK THE TWO" via no facts whatsoever brother. Where did you get Mystery Babylon in that passage? You put it there right? And that his how we get off track. I clearly explained why it has to be an EARTHLY KINGDOM, of course you conveniently left that off.........go figure.
Anything under the realm of Satan's kingdom is under the realm of Mystery Babylon the great. Which is why the world is the way it is - full of violence.
I mean its like elementary, if something has Babylon BECOME a habitation of devils after Satan was cast down to earth, its time to admit its the earth. This is how I roll, my ideas mean nothing if they are not backed up by the Word of God.
When the angel in the first verse shines the light on the world, he is shining the light on the evil that it has become, being under the dominion of Satan and his angels.

When the 7th trumpet sounds, and the war in the second heaven takes place and Satan and his angels cast down to earth, that is Babylon the great is fallen is fallen. Cast down from its high place. God's begins dismantling Satan's grip on the world.

Who do you think the star is in verse 1 of Revelation 9? It is Satan, being kicked down from heaven by Michael and his angels.

Satan is given (probably tossed to him by Michael in good riddance) the key to the bottomless pit to let all them in there out, because God is going to judge all them in there as part of Satan's group.

The bible is a book about God's destruction of Satan and his works.
 
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Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.



Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Mat_27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;


Gal 1:14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through His grace,
Gal 1:16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
Gal 1:17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.


Mat 23:38 See! Your house is left to you desolate;
Bab2, you are displaying deer in headlights syndrome, not able to function to the situation. I am pointing out the order of the text in Daniel 9:26-27 to which the events are to take place are....

messiah cutoff......then destruction of the city and temple (70 AD) .... then confirmation of the covenant for 7 years.

...and you just ramble out the same thing you have been saying...in total denial of the order in the text.
 
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Of course you can't read Rev. 12:17 and not understand there are two different peoples being spoken of, the Jews who were protected, and the REMNANT CHURCH on earth who are not protected. Why would those Jews who believe in Christ NOT be protected Douggg ? They are the ones that Flee Judea. Those who the Dragon turn against are the Christians who become Christians AFTER the Rapture thus they are a REMNANT (small part that's left) of the Church, who is in Heaven in LARGE PART.
Revelation 12 is about the 7 years relevant to Israel - not the church. The church is not in Revelation 12.

The Jews are all Christians for the time, times, half times. Some will have fled into time to be in the wilderness, protected from Satan and the beast. Others will be captives of the beast's army occupying Israel during that time. They are the ones in Revelation 12:17. And will be the ones rescued by Jesus in Jerusalem in Zechariah 14.

In Revelation 12, is the seven years.

Revelation 12:6, the first 1260 days, which near the end of the two witnesses testimony, the Jews will have fled into the wilderness.

Then the 7th trumpet sounds, the war in the second heaven. Satan cast down, and given the key to the bottomless pit. He will have only a time, times, half time left.

The Jews receive the gospel.

The earth helps the Jews who fled into the wilderness. The locust come out of the pit and torment them not sealed with the seal of God.

For them who have not fled, it will be the worst time in the history of Israel, Daniel 12:1. Michael is going to help them during that time.
 
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The AoD happens at the 1290 which is 1230 days into the 70th week. As for the 1335 that seems to be the Two-witnesses showing up. So they Flee when the AoD happens at the 1290 according to Jesus in Matthew 24 and Daniel 12 via Gabriel.
How will the Jews know ahead of time to flee when the AoD is placed in the temple? Jesus's instructions were....

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

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The two witnesses will be preaching and prophesying to them to do so for three years plus ahead of time, that's how.

The two witnesses aren't just going to show up on the day the AoD is placed in the temple. And then 1260 later at the climax of the great tribulation, the people of the world barely alive, have a holiday over their deaths and celebrate, as there is mass starvation, dying, wars, taking place, on a global scale.
 
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Yes, I am scared to death of your interpretation...


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Bab2, the order is still the same in the Hebrew bible. Messiah cutoff...then the destruction of the temple and city (70AD).... then the confirmation of covenant for 7 years.

Why doesn't the speaker acknowledge the only covenant spoken of in the earlier parts of Daniel is the Mt. Sinai covenant?

Do you know why? Because the speaker is not even aware that Moses made a requirement in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, for all future leaders of Israel to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on the 7 year schmita cycle on the feast of tabernacles.

The speaker shows his not knowing about this by referring to the common teaching regarding a peace treaty of some sorts..
 
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The bible is a book about God's destruction of Satan and his works.


It is called the good book because it is all about Jesus Christ and his love for all his creation including satan
 
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To whom it may apply,

When you come to the realization that Jesus Christ and his Gospel fulfilled the last week of the 70 week prophecy (Jesus was crucified 3.5 years after the start of his ministry "cut off", and the Gospel went tot the Gentiles 3.5 years after the cross thus fulfilling the prophecy that 70 weeks are determined upon my people who were to spread the gospel) you will start on the road to a better understanding of prophecy. The Bible is all about Jesus Christ yet you are substituting Satan in things that are about Jesus.
 
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Anything under the realm of Satan's kingdom is under the realm of Mystery Babylon the great. Which is why the world is the way it is - full of violence.
Well, not quite, as far as I know there is only one world populated with humans. I think Satan's domain belongs here, he was given that birthright by Adam & Eve.

When the angel in the first verse shines the light on the world, he is shining the light on the evil that it has become, being under the dominion of Satan and his angels.

When the 7th trumpet sounds, and the war in the second heaven takes place and Satan and his angels cast down to earth, that is Babylon the great is fallen is fallen. Cast down from its high place. God's begins dismantling Satan's grip on the world.

The Seventh Trumpet brings forth the Seven Vials which is the 3rd Woe, there is only 75 days left when the 7th Trumpet sounds. Satan is cast out close to the Midway point, I am pretty sure it says the Red Dragon chases the Women into the Wilderness, and they are there for 1260 Days, so that happens at the First Seal or very close to it, of Course Satan can orchestrate the Anti-Christ to so something from his heavenly perch, so I think he is cast out of Heaven at the Sixth Seal (6th Seal) thus the Stars that fall to earth from heaven are Demonic beings in that instance.

So lets compare those two passages.

Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

I see the above as Satan and his Demonic hordes being cast out of heaven as "UNTIMELY FIGS". We had a Meteor hit in the Gulf of Mexico and it wiped out all the Dinosaurs, I don't think a bunch of actual stars are going to be cast down unto earth. This is Satan being cast out of Heaven, because if you notice the 144,000 (ALL Israel) are fleeing Judea in Rev. 7, just like in Rev. 18 where the Devil inhabits the earth, and God calls for Israel (My people) to come out of Babylon.

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

This is an Angel, every Seal, Trumpet or Vial was brought forth by and Angel, not a Demon. The Angels bound to an APPOINTED TIME at the Euphrates are Angels also, not Demons. Rev. 9 happens at the 5th Trumpet, the 6th Trumpet is when the Two-witnesses die and the 7th Trumpet is the Seven Vials or 3rd Woe. There is no way the 7th Trumpet is the MIDWAY POINT !!
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Revelation 12 is about the 7 years relevant to Israel - not the church. The church is not in Revelation 12.

Of course it is, who do you think the BEHEADED Saints are ? The ones under the Alter who are given White Robes and told they must wait until their fellow Brothers are killed as they were. They are thus judged, and live and reign with Christ on earth for 1000 years (Rev. 20:4). God is going to protect the Repentant Jews, but those Gentiles who come to Christ after the Rapture are the REMNANT spoken of in Rev. 12:17 who ARE NOT PROTECTED, they did not make the Marriage, thus the door was shut on them. They will be required to die for their faith. The Jews will clearly be PROTECTED !! In Petra supernaturally. The Jews who do not REPENT, will be killed (the 2/3 who die) so why would they be called those who KEEP the Commandments of Jesus ? That refers to the REMNANT Church, the SMALL PART not in Heaven brother.

The Jews are all Christians for the time, times, half times. So will have fled into time to be in the wilderness, protected from Satan and the beast. Others will be captives of the beast's army occupying Israel during that time. They are the ones in Revelation 12:17. And will be the ones rescued by Jesus in Jerusalem in Zechariah 14.

No they are not all Christians brother, 2/3 do not Repent and 1/3 do. The 1/3 are protected by God in the Wilderness, then Jesus saves them when he arrives. Read Zech. 13, 1/3 are brought through the fire and 2/3 will perish.

Zechariia. 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

The REMNANT in Rev. 12:17 is the REMNANT CHURCH, that's why Jesus' Commandments are mentioned!!

In Revelation 12, is the seven years.

Revelation 12:6, the first 1260 days, which near the end of the two witnesses testimony, the Jews will have fled into the wilderness.

I would say this is speaking of only the last 3.5 Years.

Then the 7th trumpet sounds, the war in the second heaven. Satan cast down, and given the key to the bottomless pit. He will have only a time, times, half time left.

The 7th Trumpet sounds bringing forth the 3rd Woe, the Two-witnesses are already dead by this point in time. There is 75 days left until the Second Coming from this point in time. Nothing you describe even fits brother, the Angel that opens the Bottomless pit is the 5th Trumpet (1st Woe), so how do you even go there brother?

The Jews receive the gospel.

The earth helps the Jews who fled into the wilderness. The locust come out of the pit and torment them not sealed with the seal of God.

For them who have not fled, it will be the worst time in the history of Israel, Daniel 12:1. Michael is going to help them during that time.

The Jews REPENT BEFORE the Day of the Lord. So all of the repenting happens before the 1260. Which happens at the FIRST SEAL. Dan. 12:1 matches up with Rev. chapter 6.

How will the Jews know ahead of time to flee when the AoD is placed in the temple? Jesus's instructions were....

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
That is just Jesus revealing a sense of urgency, by the time SOME Jews understand/hear what has happened in the Temple they might 2 days left, 5 days left, or 1 day left. But the 1290 happens 30 days before the 1260, and the 1260 is the Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem. The 1290 is the AoD, so it happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth via the First Seal.

The two witnesses will be preaching and prophesying to them to do so for three years plus ahead of time, that's how.

The two witnesses aren't just going to show up on the day the AoD is placed in the temple. And then 1260 later at the climax of the great tribulation, the people of the world barely alive, have a holiday over their deaths and celebrate, as there is mass starvation, dying, wars, taking place, on a global scale.

That's why they die at the 2nd Woe 75 days before the BEAST DIES..........Because they preach for 3.5 years before the BEAST comes to power..........NOT !!

The Two-witnesses die just before the Beast dies, there is NO WAY they can be on earth 1260 days preaching as Witnesses, preach for 1260 days before the BEAST comes to power, than preach or Witness all the way to the 2nd Woe and be on earth only 1260 days, it just does not fit brother !!
 
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