Other lunarians disagree with you, and I have read them, and spoke with them. Who is right? You or they? Lunarians as a whole are not consistent, nor are they unified as they claim, not even upon this point.What I meant by interchangable, is that on a New Moon, there is no Sabbath
So you say, other Lunarians say it is not merely a 'rest', but is indeed a 'sabbath'. Who is right, you or they?but there is still a rest.
No, it "literally" means, "New Moon". It "signifies" the 'first day of the month' by implication.New Moon literally means first day of the month.
I do not have to guess, since I have an exact chronological table from the Bible itself.And guess what is 14 days later, after a new moon?
In the matter of the final week of Jesus, the calendar looks like this (assuming 30 day months):And guess what is 14 days later, after a new moon?
Indeed, I have. The current calendar used in the united States still has the 7 day cycle from Creation. That has not changed.Of course I'm not ignorant of the MANY extinct and MANY modern calendars and no telling how many in between. I'm pretty sure you considered that already though.
I understand all of that.I mentioned the gregorian calendar because we use it, this forum is timed right with it, a big part of world industries and such all use it, example, even if we may use a Chinese calendar too, we'll still often use gregorian for all our shipping and receiving. Plus there are more readers than just yourself.
No, I gave you the link to demonstrate that Colossians 2 does not include the 7th day the sabbath of God, part of God's eternal Law, in the 4 shadowy ordinances:As for the thread on Colossians you recommended me to read some of, so do you think that I'm recommending to follow these days as per ritual and law? Because if so, you have grossly misunderstood me.
No, you are basing when the sabbath was on, on a misconception, which cannot be supported by scripture, and has many grievous flaws in it, the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) being just one.Agriculture also played its role and the Sun too, I'm also not saying the entire system revolves around the moon alone. I'm just answering the question of, when was the sabbath days in the bible.
No, since the moon runs on a track record of about 29.5 days, thus anywhere from 28-31 days. The weekly cycle of 7 days does not change. What is done by the lunarian is attempt to mesh the two time keeping devices together, instead of how they are as two time keeping devices. It would be akin to trying to mesh the hour and minute hand on a clock together to tell time. While at some points they coincide, they do not at all times do so.The quickest way to recognize a close estimate is by simply looking at the moon.
It is literal. A person cannot have symbolic without the literal first being presented. See the lamb natural slain from the foundation of the world in Genesis 3:15,21; Revelation 13:8 and then see the Lamb spiritual in John 1:29,36.Also I see you may be interpreting the 7 days of genesis 1 as being literal
You are indeed in great error. It is most defintely relevant to this thread and topic, since if the days of Genesis are 'unspecified amounts of time' (which you would have to ignore the clear text of Genesis to so say, and the rest of scripture and God's own words on it, Exodus 20:8-11), then there can be no true knowledge of keeping of time at all, since there is no foundation in which to judge, God's explicit time in Genesis being reduced to allegory. Yet, God is not the God of confusion, but of order and preciseness.and applied directly to our own days ? Forgive me if I'm wrong on that but I personally believe they are unspecified amounts of time but that's not a discussion for this thread.
The Sabbath of the LORD (God), Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, was 3 days after the creation of the Moon (unknown phase). The sabbath is rooted in God Himself, and His work, which includes the 4th day, but is not foundational to the 4th day, since the day is created, and God is the Uncreated.Going by what you say, Sabbath is a few days after the moon day..am I understanding you correctly?
No, the text says that the Sun and Moon, and so also stars, were to give light upon the earth. The text of Genesis doesn't specifically state whether the phase of Moon on the 4th day was sliver, quarter, half, or full or new. I could accept any, but the Lunarian must choose only one, and if the person says that the days are not literal, then they have just effectively erased all foundation for Lunarian time keeping. As I said, the Lunarians are not united on their theology, since none of the other Lunarians I have spoken with declares as you have done, in making the days of Creation non-literal. The other Lunarians I have spoken with all take Genesis literally.Well, we don't know exactly where the clock was ticking when God set the moon in place, but it does say it was lighted up right?
You are correct, in saying, that we were not there. It is mere speculation upon any persons part, who was not there, to say which phase the Moon was in on the 4th day, and in truth, it would not matter which it was to me, since in scriptural time keeping, the 7 days of the week, the sabbath of the LORD (God) on the 7th day is not calculated based upon any phase of the moon.That's not a new moon and could easily been three days prior to a full one..you and I wasn't there but I bet it woulda been cool seeing it.