Scholars on BOTH sides agree - Saturday is the seventh day - the Sabbath of Exodus 20

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You quote John a lot, but put your own interpretation on what he means, instead of letting John dictate to you what are the commandments he is referring to. These are the commandments that John refers to when he mentions "commandments." 1 John 3:23 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
Sorry 1stcenturylady, I suggest you go back and read the chapter as your taking the scriptures out of CONTEXT. I have already posted on this before. You chose to ignore the post and scriptures provided.

Now you make a claim saying I put my own interpretation on the scriptures. I would like to challenge you now to please prove your claim? If you cannot then you do not speak the truth. I have only ever provided the CONTEXT that you leave out by quoting 1 JOHN 3:23 which I will add again here to challenge your claims.

Now I am going to show how you are taking 1 JOHN 3:23 out of CONTEXT. I challenge you to prove your claim I am putting my interpretation on 1 JOHN 3 ok?

The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 3:23 is 1 JOHN 3:4-15. Let's look at the CONTEXT of your use of a single scripture because it is you that is putting your own interpretation of the scriptures not me.

1 JOHN 3:3-15
3,
And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4,
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.
5,
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him SIN<breaks God's LAW> not: whosoever SIN<breaks God's LAW> hath not seen him, neither known him.
7,
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous <Psalms 119:172 All your commandments = RIGHTEOUSNESS>.
8, He that commits SIN <breaks God's LAW> is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT commit SIN<breaks God's LAW>; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot SIN<breaks God's LAW>, because he is born of God.
10,
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Some key points..........

v4.
SIN = Breaking God's Commandments
v6. Those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God
v7. Don't be DECEIVED only those who DO NOT break God's commandments are is RIGHTEOUS as HE IS RIGHTEOUS
v8. If you are living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you are following the DEVIL and not GOD (Acts 17:30-31; Heb 10:26:27)
v9. If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN
v10. LOVE AND OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW SHOW WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE and DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW SHOW THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
v15. Example of the 7th commandment (Exodus 20: 13) being broken murder. Those who brake God's LAW and SIN DO NOT have ETERNAL LIFE

NOW we have established CONTEXT let's look at your scripture...

1 JOHN 3:23 [23], And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

So the CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 3:23-24 is that those who BREAK GOD 10 Commandments commit SIN and are NOT God's people. Those who OBEY God's Commandments are God's people. v23 BELIEVE Jesus is our Savior and to LOVE another.

HOW DO WE LOVE OR FULFILL THE ROYAL LAW OF LOVE (already posted)

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man any thing, BUT TO LOVE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, YOU SHALL NOT COVET; and if there be ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly summed up as YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. LOVE WORKS NO ILL TO HIS NEIGHBOR; THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING [doing] OF THE LAW.

James agrees with Paul...

JAMES 2:8-12 [8], If you fulfill the ROYAL LAW according to the scripture, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIBOR AS YOURSELF YOU DO WELL: [9], BUT IF YOU HAVE RESPECT FOR PERSONS YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVICTED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS. [10], FOR WHOSEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW. [12], So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James and Paul both agree with Jesus...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall LOVE THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [of LOVE; Royal law ] HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets.

You cannot LOVE another while breaking any of God's 10 commandments. Breaking God's LAW only shows you are not following God and do not LOVE another.

Now prove your claim that I have put my own interpretation on 1 JOHN 3 when all I have provdied to you is scripture CONTEXT for 1 JOHN 3:23? If you cannot I suggest you read your bible and take it to God in prayer.

John doesn't mention old covenant commandments devoid of the Spirit. He only speaks of those we keep in the Spirit.

Sorry 1stcenturylady, but no one has God's SPIRIT while living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN.

It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Now please consider the posts and scriptures provided to you. Each of your posts have been responded to in detail with God's WORD. If you wish to have a conversation please show some coutesy by responding to the posts provided only as a help to the discussion.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Hope this helps.
 
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Sorry 1stcenturylady, I suggest you go back and read the chapter as your taking the scriptures out of CONTEXT. I have already posted on this before. You chose to ignore the post and scriptures provided.

Now you make a claim saying I put my own interpretation on the scriptures. I would like to challenge you now to please prove your claim? If you cannot then you do not speak the truth. I have only ever provided the CONTEXT that you leave out by quoting 1 JOHN 3:23 which I will add again here to challenge your claims.

Now I am going to show how you are taking 1 JOHN 3:23 out of CONTEXT. I challenge you to prove your claim I am putting my interpretation on 1 JOHN 3 ok?

The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 3:23 is 1 JOHN 3:4-15. Let's look at the CONTEXT of your use of a single scripture because it is you that is putting your own interpretation of the scriptures not me.

1 JOHN 3:3-15
3,
And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4,
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.
5,
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him SIN<breaks God's LAW> not: whosoever SIN<breaks God's LAW> hath not seen him, neither known him.
7,
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous <Psalms 119:172 All your commandments = RIGHTEOUSNESS>.
8, He that commits SIN <breaks God's LAW> is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT commit SIN<breaks God's LAW>; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot SIN<breaks God's LAW>, because he is born of God.
10,
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Some key points..........

v4.
SIN = Breaking God's Commandments
v6. Those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God
v7. Don't be DECEIVED only those who DO NOT break God's commandments are is RIGHTEOUS as HE IS RIGHTEOUS
v8. If you are living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you are following the DEVIL and not GOD (Acts 17:30-31; Heb 10:26:27)
v9. If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN
v10. LOVE AND OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW SHOW WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE and DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW SHOW THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
v15. Example of the 7th commandment (Exodus 20: 13) being broken murder. Those who brake God's LAW and SIN DO NOT have ETERNAL LIFE

NOW we have established CONTEXT let's look at your scripture...

1 JOHN 3:23 [23], And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

So the CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 3:23-24 is that those who BREAK GOD 10 Commandments commit SIN and are NOT God's people. Those who OBEY God's Commandments are God's people. v23 BELIEVE Jesus is our Savior and to LOVE another.

HOW DO WE LOVE OR FULFILL THE ROYAL LAW OF LOVE (already posted)

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man any thing, BUT TO LOVE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, YOU SHALL NOT COVET; and if there be ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly summed up as YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. LOVE WORKS NO ILL TO HIS NEIGHBOR; THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING [doing] OF THE LAW.

James agrees with Paul...

JAMES 2:8-12 [8], If you fulfill the ROYAL LAW according to the scripture, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIBOR AS YOURSELF YOU DO WELL: [9], BUT IF YOU HAVE RESPECT FOR PERSONS YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVICTED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS. [10], FOR WHOSEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW. [12], So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James and Paul both agree with Jesus...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall LOVE THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [of LOVE; Royal law ] HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets.

You cannot LOVE another while breaking any of God's 10 commandments. Breaking God's LAW only shows you are not following God and do not LOVE another.



Sorry 1stcenturylady, but no one has God's SPIRIT while living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN.

It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Now please consider the posts and scriptures provided to you. Each of your posts have been responded to in detail with God's WORD. If you wish to have a conversation please show some coutesy by responding to the posts provided only as a help to the discussion.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Hope this helps.

From the beginning, Christians would replace the Sabbath day with a new day of public worship in commemoration of Christ’s resurrection from the dead - the Day of the Lord. This day is the first day of the week:

Why the first day of the week? Because in Christ it's a new DAY that is the only day of the week. The one day because there is no night.

"But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb" (St. Luke 24, 1-2);

"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb" (St. John 20, 1).

Pentecost Sunday, also fell on the first day of the week: Acts 2, 1.

Public worship was celebrated by the early Christians on Sunday:

"On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread..." (Acts 20, 7).

Collections in support of the Church were gathered on Sunday:

"On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come" (1 Cor. 16, 2).

St. John received his Revelation on Sunday:

"I, John, your brother who share with you in Jesus the persecution...was on the island called Patmos...I was in the spirit on the Lord's day..." (Rev. 1, 9-10).

It is important to understand that in changing the Sabbath law the Church did not make a change in the divine law obliging men to worship God - a law which is irrevocable, and as such the 4th commandment is duly obeyed.- but merely a change in the day on which it was to be offered.

Because it is believed without doubt that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath very few Christians believe the Law of Moses ranks over Jesus Christ and insist that Saturday is not a shadow of the Lord's Day.
 
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From the beginning, Christians would replace the Sabbath day with a new day of public worship in commemoration of Christ’s resurrection from the dead - the Day of the Lord. This day is the first day of the week:

"But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb" (St. Luke 24, 1-2);

"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb" (St. John 20, 1).

Pentecost Sunday, also fell on the first day of the week: Acts 2, 1.

Public worship was celebrated by the early Christians on Sunday:

"On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread..." (Acts 20, 7).

Collections in support of the Church were gathered on Sunday:

"On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come" (1 Cor. 16, 2).

St. John received his Revelation on Sunday:

"I, John, your brother who share with you in Jesus the persecution...was on the island called Patmos...I was in the spirit on the Lord's day..." (Rev. 1, 9-10).

It is important to understand that in changing the Sabbath law the Church did not make a change in the divine law obliging men to worship God - a law which is irrevocable the 4th commandment is duly obeyed.- but merely a change in the day on which it was to be offered.

Very few Christians believe the Law of Moses ranks over Jesus Christ and insist that Saturday is not a shadow of the Lord's Day.

Thanks for your thoughts Eloy, but not a single reference you have provided above says that God's 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now does it?

Some more questions for your consideration...

Can you show me using SCRIPTURE ALONE where it says...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps.
 
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strawmen arguments and false premise I refuse to revisit. Everything else has been addressed. I will answer a couple of things.
22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

22.
Jesus called Christians "me'. And said "He who hears you hears me"
23.
They met to break bread on the first day of the week. This is Scriptural evidence that 'adds' to all the other scriptures that inform us of the day Christians worshiped since the beginning. The first day of the week.
24. Like the other questions and proofs you posit I include this one to demonstrate the redundancy of your whole argument.

Is not question 24 question 22 worded slightly different? And with only one question in between.

Hope this helps.
 
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Is the above scripture speaking of the 10 commandments as the many claim or is it simply speaking of circumcision and the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT?

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

Compare these two paragraphs of yours. In the first paragraph you point to the Mosaic book of the Law. But then you provide the scripture that shows clearly that the COVENANT was the Ten Commandments. Galatians 4 is about the two COVENANTS. And the one containing the Ten Commandments is the one that represents Ishmael, is of the flesh, and is to be cast out.
 
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strawmen arguments and false premise I refuse to revisit. Everything else has been addressed. I will answer a couple of things.


22.
Jesus called Christians "me'. And said "He who hears you hears me"
23.
They met to break bread on the first day of the week. This is Scriptural evidence that 'adds' to all the other scriptures that inform us of the day Christians worshiped since the beginning. The first day of the week.
24. Like the other questions and proofs you posit I include this one to demonstrate the redundancy of your whole argument.

Is not question 24 question 22 worded slightly different? And with only one question in between.

Sorry? What was the strawman argument you believe I have made? Your only saying I am making a strawman argument because you have no scriptures to support the questions that have been asked of you.

You have not provided a single scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now have you? This is not a strawman argument it is a statement of fact. Neither have you provided any scripture that answers any questions asked of you in POST # 383 linked click me.

What is a strawman argument?

STRAWMAN ARGUMENT DEFINITION: A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. (Source wiki linked).

So nope I have not made any strawman arguments to you. That is a false statement from you.

I have only challenged you to show scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. You have not been able to provide a single scripture. I have only chalenged you to provide a single scripture to other questions from POST # 383 linked click me, you have not been able to provide a single scripture.

The only strawman argument is the one you are trying to make that is saying something I am not saying.

Hope this helps.
 
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Compare these two paragraphs of yours. In the first paragraph you point to the Mosaic book of the Law. But then you provide the scripture that shows clearly that the COVENANT was the Ten Commandments. Galatians 4 is about the two COVENANTS. And the one containing the Ten Commandments is the one that represents Ishmael, is of the flesh, and is to be cast out.

Not at all. The scriptures were provided to show that the OLD COVENANT is not the 10 Commandments in isolation from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. Together they both made up the OLD COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is?
 
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Thanks for your thoughts Eloy, but not a single reference you have provided above says that God's 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now does it?
This is both a strawman and a false premise. No Christian believes that the Sabbath commandment is abolished. It is now fulfilled in Christ and is obeyed in accordance to it's true substance.

Hope this helps.
 
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This is both a strawman and a false premise. No Christian believes that the Sabbath commandment is abolished. It is now fulfilled in Christ and is obeyed in accordance to it's true substance.

Hope this helps.

No it is not. You have only provided a false statement which has been proved as such in the previous post to you.

I have only challenged you to provide scripture to show that God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. You have not been able to do so because there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and there is no scripture that says we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps.
 
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Not at all. The scriptures were provided to show that the OLD COVENANT is not the 10 Commandments in isolation from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. Together they both made up the OLD COVENANT.
Yet Gal. 4 is describing Hagar as the mother of the old.
 
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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now
see how redundant is your argument. This has been addressed and not responded too.
 
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Indeed and does that day God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Nope!
It proves 1stcenturylady's argument about the flesh.
 
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see how redundant is your argument. This has been addressed and not responded too.

No it has not. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Are you telling the truth now Eloy?
 
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Sorry 1stcenturylady, I suggest you go back and read the chapter as your taking the scriptures out of CONTEXT. I have already posted on this before. You chose to ignore the post and scriptures provided.

Now you make a claim saying I put my own interpretation on the scriptures. I would like to challenge you now to please prove your claim? If you cannot then you do not speak the truth. I have only ever provided the CONTEXT that you leave out by quoting 1 JOHN 3:23 which I will add again here to challenge your claims.

Now I am going to show how you are taking 1 JOHN 3:23 out of CONTEXT. I challenge you to prove your claim I am putting my interpretation on 1 JOHN 3 ok?

The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 3:23 is 1 JOHN 3:4-15. Let's look at the CONTEXT of your use of a single scripture because it is you that is putting your own interpretation of the scriptures not me.

1 JOHN 3:3-15
3,
And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4,
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.
5,
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him SIN<breaks God's LAW> not: whosoever SIN<breaks God's LAW> hath not seen him, neither known him.
7,
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous <Psalms 119:172 All your commandments = RIGHTEOUSNESS>.
8, He that commits SIN <breaks God's LAW> is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT commit SIN<breaks God's LAW>; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot SIN<breaks God's LAW>, because he is born of God.
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In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Some key points..........

v4.
SIN = Breaking God's Commandments
v6. Those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God
v7. Don't be DECEIVED only those who DO NOT break God's commandments are is RIGHTEOUS as HE IS RIGHTEOUS
v8. If you are living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you are following the DEVIL and not GOD (Acts 17:30-31; Heb 10:26:27)
v9. If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN
v10. LOVE AND OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW SHOW WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE and DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW SHOW THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
v15. Example of the 7th commandment (Exodus 20: 13) being broken murder. Those who brake God's LAW and SIN DO NOT have ETERNAL LIFE

NOW we have established CONTEXT let's look at your scripture...

1 JOHN 3:23 [23], And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

So the CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 3:23-24 is that those who BREAK GOD 10 Commandments commit SIN and are NOT God's people. Those who OBEY God's Commandments are God's people. v23 BELIEVE Jesus is our Savior and to LOVE another.

HOW DO WE LOVE OR FULFILL THE ROYAL LAW OF LOVE (already posted)

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man any thing, BUT TO LOVE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, YOU SHALL NOT COVET; and if there be ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly summed up as YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. LOVE WORKS NO ILL TO HIS NEIGHBOR; THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING [doing] OF THE LAW.

James agrees with Paul...

JAMES 2:8-12 [8], If you fulfill the ROYAL LAW according to the scripture, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIBOR AS YOURSELF YOU DO WELL: [9], BUT IF YOU HAVE RESPECT FOR PERSONS YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVICTED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS. [10], FOR WHOSEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW. [12], So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James and Paul both agree with Jesus...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall LOVE THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [of LOVE; Royal law ] HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets.

You cannot LOVE another while breaking any of God's 10 commandments. Breaking God's LAW only shows you are not following God and do not LOVE another.

Now prove your claim that I have put my own interpretation on 1 JOHN 3 when all I have provdied to you is scripture CONTEXT for 1 JOHN 3:23? If you cannot I suggest you read your bible and take it to God in prayer.



Sorry 1stcenturylady, but no one has God's SPIRIT while living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN.

It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Now please consider the posts and scriptures provided to you. Each of your posts have been responded to in detail with God's WORD. If you wish to have a conversation please show some coutesy by responding to the posts provided only as a help to the discussion.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Hope this helps.

What both Paul and John are doing is showing that instead of obeying the mere 10C by the flesh with our own but carnal will power that is full of sin, the New Covenant provides us with a brand new nature free from sin and the Holy Spirit as the power source. Not us, but God.
 
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No it has not. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Are you telling the truth now Eloy?
Already ben answered. Scroll up. This is redundant.
 
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What both Paul and John are doing is showing that instead of obeying the mere 10C by the flesh with our own but carnal will power that is full of sin, the New Covenant provides us with a brand new nature free from sin and the Holy Spirit as the power source. Not us, but God.

Goodness is this the best you can do. You have not provided a single scripture to the CONTEXT that was provided to you in POST # 381 linked CLICK ME that disaggrees with your teaching.
 
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Already ben answered. Scroll up. This is redundant.

No it has not you have provided no scripture if you had you would have posted it. There is no scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

This is a man made tradition that brakes the commandment of God for which there is no scripture. You can do so if you like it it between you and God.

I am only sharing scripture and questions with you to challenge your thinking.
 
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Goodness is this the best you can do. You have not provided a single scripture to the CONTEXT that was provided to you.

I'm showing you the key to interpreting your verses correctly. Your mindset reads them in the old. I read them based on the new.
 
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