Chinchilla
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No he did not . He preached Christ crucified .
Christ preached the Kingdom.
Now you made another assumption and because of that Galatians 1:8-9 and Revelation 14:6 are contradicting because Paul cursed the Angel from God if they preached the same gospel .
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These prophesies happen in the New Heavens and earth after the restoration/resurrection of Israel =us.
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“But when they believed Philip as he was proclaiming the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they began to be baptized, both men and women.” (Acts 8:12)
The problem is, you preach a future kingdom and not the kingdom Paul, or in this case, Philip preached.
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On the day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36.
On that day about 3,000 Jews accepted Christ.
When the Church began it was made up almost entirely of Jews.
The Gentiles were grafted in several years later.
Therefore, the Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".
Since the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 the Church Age cannot come to an end before the Second Coming of Christ.
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Chinchilla
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Jesus ordered the 11 ( Judas died ) to not go to gentiles and preach to Jews only .
See Matthew 10
Matthew 10:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
It was only untill they stoned Steven , Jesus called Paul to minister to gentiles .
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I agree .
The point i view it that there is Tribulation , famine , everything burned , rivers of blood ect .
Then Jesus comes to save the remament of Jews .
Then there is sheep and goat Judgement of who will enter into the 1000 Kingdom .
Then Satan is loosed after 1000 year prison for a season ( we don't know how long )
There is last rebelion , these who rebel will die and be destroyed .
Then earth and heaven pass away , new earth and heaven with no more sin possible , forever .
Thing is Jesus said that if somebody does not observe Feast of Tabernacle he will die , he also said all nations will come to Jerusalem to worship once a year .
That can't work if we are primised eternal life after resurrection if you remove the 1000 year kingdom .
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No , there is no more Jew or Gentile after you are born again , simply Church .
Better promises .
There were no gentiles in crowd . You are just making assumptions .
It was during a feast where Jews from all nations came to worship because Law of Moses told them so they had different languages .
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The 1000 years is not the kingdom. The kingdom is eternal. The 1000 years is the binding of Satan. Note, it ends when God lets Satan loose.
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But, I preach the same gospel of the kingdom. Most do not, they preach a future kingdom that will never take place. The kingdom is here now since Christ first preached it. But only the born again can see it.
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They are genuinely deceived and are unable to discern that the earthly body is not going anywhere and it will return to the dust of the earth. Death of this earthly body is certain, for all are destined to biologically die (1st death). The soul is not earthy, it is within the soul repository of God and we as users have been given account privileges, by the creation system administration who is God, to access the earthly bodies we are married to at conception, so to wield them like Avatars. The ones that are translated don't taste biological death, but none the less their avatar earthy bodies are destroyed and their soul is what is clothed in a twinkling of an eye with a heavenly body, as Lords (Holy Ones) from Heaven (3rd Heaven). Paul makes distinction between the earthy body and the something else that the soul is clothed by in the resurrection of the dead, that is fit for the heavenly habitation of many rooms (Father's house of many dimensions).
I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. Tribulation must be faced by all faithful. A distinction needs to be made between tribulation of the faithful in Christ Jesus and the wrath of God that will be poured upon the unbelieving and unrepentant world.
I must give you credit for pointing to a useful connecting chapter in Isaiah concerning the Church, those who have th testimony of Jesus, that is the Gospel and what happens as far as tribulation of the Church, Rapture of the Elect (days of slaughter/wrath cut short) and the last trumpet.
17Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.
The woman is the Church and the child is the Gospel and the midnight call of Christ's bride is when she lets out bellowing cry, as she goes through the Tribulation of birth pains in the final hour before her deliverance.
18We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.
The symbolic figurative language, portrays the we as those, within the Church who have the testimony of Jesus Christ, they being with the child (Gospel). They having been in pain, that is Tribulation, not wrath from God, but tribulation by the hands of the world and Satan who wields the enemy to prevent the truth of Christ from prevailing. Notice we, the Church members, have not put our hopes on having comfort lives on earth, but have traded them for Tribulation. Notice who they, the Church who has brought forth the Holy Spirit Wind as it bloweth upon the once fallen of the world, they the once enemies of Christ are no longer fallen, because they have embraced the child.
19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Notice that the resurrection of the dead is spoken of here and you must not miss that the woman is the Church and the child is the Gospel, just like the pregnant woman mentioned in Revelation 12. The seed of the woman are those who hold the testimony of Jesus and who endure much tribulation, in order to bring forth the Holy Spirit wind, by their preaching to the once fallen world.
The poetic language also has a certain ambiance of Calvary, in that it is revealing that the dead men of the Church, the symbol of the two witnesses in Revelation of Jesus Christ, will together with my dead body will rise. This is disclosing a world wide calvary of the Church, before the wrath of God is poured out. The Church does not escape, it gets slaughtered. Then the author throws in a poetic comforting poetic song to give hope that the martyrdom of the Church will bring her into life with Jesus, as his bride will arise as he dead.
The bride must die!
20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Now, this verse is no longer talking about the tribulation of the Church, as in the previous verse, highlighting the world wide calvary of the Church, as she is taken out and her testimony completed as declared in Revelation 11:7. Come my ELECT/PEOPLE, enter a place of protection prepared for you and shut those doors, as Noah shut he doors to the Ark, now wait a little while until my wrath has passed.
The distinction of before and after the wrath of God poured upon the world who martyred his Church is described below...
The Fire of God's Jealousy on the Days of Slaughter, the Great feast that God has prepared, on the Great Day of Battle, where the earth shall disclose her dead (Extinction Protocol = Extinction Level Event).
Joel 2:3
3Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes. Before them the land is like the garden of Eden, behind them, a desert waste— nothing escapes them.
Before they entered the ELECT entered their Chamber of protection, the earth resembled the Garden of Eden. After God's wrath had passed and they exited their chamber (Noah like Ark), the earth becomes a desert waste that is totally emptied of life (Zephaniah 1:17-18)
21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
This is the sequence of events....
- Church/Bride preaches in the last hour with the breath of the Lord's Mouth.
- Church/Bride is Martyred (World Wide Calvary of the two witnesses after their testimony has been finished)
- God sends angels to gather the ELECT from the four corners of Earth in chambers that will be their protection, when the Fires of God's Jealousy are unleashed upon the inhabitants of the world who killed his Son's Bride. (This is the gathering of the ELECT to the mountain of God, a safe haven before the Brilliant coming of Jesus Christ). This is the Final Stand. As God said least I cut those days short no flesh would remain alive, but for the sake of the ELECT I will shorten those days. Those days are vividly described in Joel 2 and other Old Testament books, including 2 Peter 3:10.
- The ELECT enter their Chamber on a secret location on Earth, called the mountain of God.
- God pours out his wrath and every is consumed by the Fire of his Jealousy.
- The ELECT re-emerge from their chambers to find a totally destroyed world, smell of death everywhere, thick clouds and pitch black darkness, the rains are heavy and the ground is like muddy quick sand.
- Then the last of the enemy, what ever they are, encompass the camp of the Saints, the mountain of God.
- A literal battle ensues between the forces held up on the Mountain of God and the forces of the enemy at the foot of the mountain.
- Then the Brilliant Coming of the Lord that will consume the enemy, is the Fire, possibly a supernova event that will disintegrate the fabric of time and space within our universe.
- The ELECT are translated into their heavenly bodies to be reunited with Christ, when Jesus sounds the Seventh Trumpet (Last Trumpet) and utters the Seven Thunders as the Word of God, in declaring "Time no more", and also the martyred bride before the wrath of God, who was immediately clothed and they are the Holy Ones that accompany Christ, when they come to get the ELECT on annihilation day of the fabric of space and time.
- The eternal Nexus of God will continue in the timeless realm of the Father's house of many rooms (dimensions). The books are finalized and biological death and Hell itself cannot continue past this point, as the final enemy death is destroyed forever. All that remains are the last Adams within the figurative new earth and new Heaven (singular) within the NEXUS of God.
Tribulation is not the Wrath of God. The Bride is murdered at the hands of the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt aka Satan, but the ELECT are gathered by Angels to somewhere safe on Earth to wait the wrath of God out in their Chambers of protection, just like Noah was told to do so. (Isaiah 26:20)
The Bride/Church is martyred by the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt and the ELECT are gathered in their Chambers by Angels (Isaiah 26:20) before the Wrath of God is poured.
The ELECT are taken post tribulation and martyrdom of the Church and pre pouring out of the Wrath of God.
Israel is the Church and when the Church is martyred in a world wide Calvary by the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt, then the remnant ELECT are protected by Petra, who is Jesus Christ, when he sends his Angels to gather them to a safe location on earth, within their Chambers of protection. The Last stand on the Mountain of God, that is the Camp of the Saints/ELECT.
The soul does not go anywhere, it is the ELECT who are gathered to safe place on Earth by Angels, post Tribulation, after the martyrdom of the Church/Bride by the hands of the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt.
The Church/Bride who is martyred as the symbol of the two witnesses in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, after she finishes her testimony is resurrected into her new heavenly body post Tribulation, but pre-wrath of God. She is the many Holy Ones who accompanies Christ in her white cloud like garments to come and get the remaining ELECT at the end of the old Earth and the old Heavens (plural) and the beginning of the new Heaven (singular) and the new Earth, when Jesus calls it an end, by blowing the last trumpet, that is the Trumpet of God, as he utters the Seven Thunders in declaring "Time no longer".
Yes and in the gathering of the ELECT to a safe location on Earth away from the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt.
The bride who was martyred post tribulation comes with Christ as the many Holy ones, they are the ones who were raised first in their resurrection heavenly bodies (symbol of the two witnesses), when they come for the ELECT.
They are the ELECT, the Bride comes with Christ.
Yes, they would be the armies of the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt who martyred the Church/Bride post Trib yet pre-wrath.
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The Bride final testimony is the breath of Christ's mouth before her martyrdom post-trib. The second event is post-wrath, when the Lord finally destroys those who killed his bride, by the brightness of his coming. The resurrected bride accompanies Christ in the final destruction of the enemy and then gather the ELECT in a twinkling of an eye. The living ELECT shall not be raised before the dead at Chris's brilliant coming and it is clear that the bride is the symbol of the two witnesses who is raised and is clothed in her white resurrection garments, as the many Hoy Ones who accompany Christ in the gathering of the ELECT.
The Sword of the Mouth is during the last testimony of the Church before she is martyred post tribulation. This is not to be confused with the second event, the destruction of the enemy by the brightness of his coming after pre-wrath.
The gathering of the ELECT to a safe location on Earth by Angels happens, post tribulation, after the Church/Bride is martyred in a world wide calvary as the symbol of the two witnesses, who is raised, signaling the resurrection of the bride before the Last (Seventh) Trumpet, before the gathering of the ELECT and keeping them safe from the hands of the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt and the Wrath of God yet to come, as they are told to hide in their Noah like protection Chambers provided to them by Angels (Isaiah 26:20).
True for the ELECT. The Bride is however raised post-trib pre-wrath. The ELECT post-wrath. God will never leave the Earth completely vacated from members of his Son's Church the remnant ELECT. They will make he final stand on a God forsaken planet, as it is written least those days had been shorten for the sake of the ELECT no flesh would remain alive.
Wicked are not raised at all. They are annihilated in the Lake of Fire at the instant the New Earth and the New Heaven emerges. Death is destroyed and cannot continue, as both Hell and death are thrown in the lake of fire which is the second death, the death of the soul.
Very generalized way to put it, given that no context is mentioned to your claim and how you define the word rapture, either to mean the resurrection of the bride post-trib,, or the gathering of the ELECT to somewhere safe on Earth, to make a final stand before the Lord's Brilliant coming, when he comes with his resurrected bride who was martyred by the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt..
The only rapture that is of an earthy body is the gathering of the ELECT to somewhere safe on Earth, after the Bride is martyred by the beast of the bottomless Pitt post-trib. Everyone leaves their earthy bodies to burn up on tera firma.
The rapture of the bride, if rapture is to be taken to mean resurrection, is when she as the symbol of the two witnesses, is called to Heaven post-trib, after she is martyred by the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt. The rapture of the ELECT in a twinkling of an eye, is when the same resurrected bride, that is the many Holy Ones who accompany Christ come for the remnant ELECT before the end of the first Earth and the first Heavens at the Last Trumpet.
Destruction comes after the Bride of Christ is murdered post-trib. The Last Trump happens when the same bride who was murdered by the Beast of the Bottomless Putt comes with her Husband, as the many Holy Ones, to gather the remaining ELECT at Christ's Brilliant Coming.
We have covered this before.
Completely Wrong!
The Rapture here would mean the gathering of the ELECT after the bride, as the symbol of the two witnesses is murdered by the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt and is raised to join her husband as the many Holy Ones. In the mean time the ELECT are gathered away on Earth to safety, away from the Beast and in their protective chambers, before the Wrath of God befalls the inhabitants of the world who sided with the Beast, in the martyrdom of the Bride.
It is the Word coming from the mouth of his Bride in the Last hour of her testimony before she is taken out of the way by the Beast of the Bottomless Pitt.
There are two event in Thessalonians, the first is Bride's contention with the wicked, where the Bride uses the Breath of the Lord's Mouth to silence the enemies lies before she is martyred and then comes the real destruction when God pours out his wrath and then the final Judgment when the books are finalized at Christs brilliant coming where death is destroyed, never to continue and the wicked are annihilated in the second death.
Jesus uses his bride as the conduit of salvation. When the enemy seeks to remove the Bride, then the Lord will not hold back his anger.
True!
Tribulation of the Bride is not the Wrath of God. Tribulation is what the world does to us. The Wrath of God is what God does to the world.
True! and every city might I add.
The Bride is raised before the Final Trumpet. She is the one who accompanies her Husband as the many Holy Ones before the brilliant coming of the Lord and before the Great White Throne Judgment, when the books are finalized.
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This does not sync with the New Testament.
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Any view of the rapture other than Paul's, happening on the last day, involves people in knowing the time of Israel's restoration (the resurrection) which only the Father knows.
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Gospel is defined by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
You are not promised any kingdom nor any land you are taken out of this world and have mansion in heaven
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Yes, but if you believe in Christ you already have eternal life and are in his Kingdom. Jesus says the kingdom comes not with observation (physical millennium) but is within you.
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