EXACTLY WHY MOST CHURCHES TODAY ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD !

[Strong in Him]

Nothing controversial here : just all scripture

It is controversial.
The title of your thread is "exactly why most churches today are spiritually dead" - in capital letters, which, as you have been told before, is the internet equivalent of shouting.
Most churches, where - in your town, area, state, country, continent or the world?
How do you know?
How many have you even spoken to never mind visited and worshipped with? My guess is very few.
Yet you have still taken it upon yourself to judge that they are spiritually dead, and have decided to write a thread to tell us exactly why.

That's controversial - even before we look at your interpretation of Scripture. You have passed judgement on others' spirituality and theology; it doesn't match with yours, so it must be wrong.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It is controversial.
The title of your thread is "exactly why most churches today are spiritually dead" - in capital letters, which, as you have been told before, is the internet equivalent of shouting.
Most churches, where - in your town, area, state, country, continent or the world?
How do you know?
How many have you even spoken to never mind visited and worshipped with? My guess is very few.
Yet you have still taken it upon yourself to judge that they are spiritually dead, and have decided to write a thread to tell us exactly why.

That's controversial - even before we look at your interpretation of Scripture. You have passed judgement on others' spirituality and theology; it doesn't match with yours, so it must be wrong.

Well,
actually, that judgment (in this post) is personal and not necessarily right.

Perhaps, as well may be and often is for Ekklesia Redeemed in Jesus,
maybe he did not take it upon himself to judge,
but he simply read the Bible and believed it, (as prophesied in the Bible, the title is true at the current time, and possibly other times not important or pertinent now)

trusting Yahweh
as Yahweh grants perfect understanding when Yahweh is pleased to do.

 

[John tower]

The rules / guidelines on this man-created forum call some of this controversial and can result in sudden disappearance in this section, but is not subject to that in the controversial section, by rule of site.

Why instead of just critizing what others are trying to do : why don't you post bible studies of your own , instead of just critizizing others work !!!

 

[John tower]

It is controversial.
The title of your thread is "exactly why most churches today are spiritually dead" - in capital letters, which, as you have been told before, is the internet equivalent of shouting.
Most churches, where - in your town, area, state, country, continent or the world?
How do you know?
How many have you even spoken to never mind visited and worshipped with? My guess is very few.
Yet you have still taken it upon yourself to judge that they are spiritually dead, and have decided to write a thread to tell us exactly why.

That's controversial - even before we look at your interpretation of Scripture. You have passed judgement on others' spirituality and theology; it doesn't match with yours, so it must be wrong.

2 Peter 1(20): says not to give ANY private interpretations but scripture only : All I see here is your own private interpretations : not a single scripture to be found anywhere : I give no credence to private interpretations only scripture : you really badly need to learn 2 Peter 1(20)

 

[Tutorman]

2 Peter 1(20): says not to give ANY private interpretations but scripture only : All I see here is your own private interpretations : not a single scripture to be found anywhere : I give no credence to private interpretations only scripture : you really badly need to learn 2 Peter 1(20)

By posting your giving your idea or interpretation of what the verses say. With your title you are setting yourself up in judgement and saying you know how all Churches are and I highly doubt you know how every Church does things

 

[John tower]

By posting your giving your idea or interpretation of what the verses say. With your title you are setting yourself up in judgement and saying you know how all Churches are and I highly doubt you know how every Church does things

I posted scriptures unlike you : it is they who do the talking, not me : you should try it sometime 2 Peter 1(20)

 

[John tower]

So your the judge?

No : all the scriptures I gave

 

[Tutorman]

I posted scriptures unlike you : it is they who do the talking, not me : you should try it sometime 2 Peter 1(20)

You posted your interpretation, posting verses alone means nothing I could post thousands and it would do no good. In your title you made a judgement call there was no scripture posted there.

 

[Tutorman]

No : all the scriptures I gave

No sir in your title you judged wrongly.

 

[John tower]

There is truth to what you say. Just a word of caution, 1Cor references tend to be regarding specific issues with that congregation and not specifically to how the church is run. Corinth had a problem with pride among the members on "who was holier than the next guy or more deserving". If not careful, pride can sneak in when giving too much freedom to the congregation. Timothy is a good reference, but I get your point.

It was traditions of the Jews to gather and appoint someone to read from the scrolls and teach the gathered. This was generally not the Rabi, but there were other members who would monitor to assure the teachings were accurate. At my church, there is one appointed to read the passages on which the pastor would later preach. There is also Sunday school, not part of the Jewish worship service, used to allow some to teach and others to learn. Everyone should be encouraged to start their own ministry even within the church. Perhaps to host a home study during the week or even at the church...a coffee klash on Saturday mornings. Exhorting and mentoring younger members of the flock.

I think my point here is, we tend to sit back and complain rather than doing something about it. Set the example and develop your own ministry within the Church. Talk to the Pastor about how you can help and service - I'm sure he would welcome it. Most church maybe spiritually dead, but I'd submit it because many don't want to take the time to make a difference.

Every time I have tried to talk inside the church , I get thrown out , just like they threw Jesus out in Luke 4

 

[Tutorman]

Every time I have tried to talk inside the church , I get thrown out , just like they threw Jesus out in Luke 4

You are not Jesus

 

[John tower]

Well, not exactly private reasoning nor was I attempting to defend any specific doctrine, so scripture quoting isn't necessary.. My explanations were more about history and organization of the synagogues and some more modern techniques to inspire people to get back into the word of God. Not sure what part you had a problem with, but much of what I wrote about comes from a variety of sources including the works of Josephus, a book entitled "Yeshua the Jewish Jesus" and other sources. While I maintain the ultimate spiritual revival comes from the Word of God (bible), my post was aimed at ways to bring more people around to its study or for someone reading it to self-motivate by taking on a purpose.

Now you are talking brother : revival comes from the word , with the holy spirit opening it up for us : 1 John 2(27), John 14(26)

 

[John tower]

As a general statement, I cannot agree that most churches ARE, in fact, spiritually dead.

People who claim that the churches are spiritually dead seem to be of the opinion that churches which are not exactly (or close to it) like their own are, by definition, dead, that's all.

That is particularly true with Pentecostal Christians, although it is not a lot different from the churches which call all others heretical or unScriptural or even Satanic by definition.

I belong to no earthly church : non - denominational : Acts 7(48)

 

[John tower]

Amen, brother. Are we called to be part of the solution, or to just stand idly by pointing out the problem?

You cannot fix anything if you do not know the problem first

 

[John tower]

An interesting display of ignorance.
A kj bible user who is unaware that the translators of the king James bible would have expected One Man to stand at the front and lead the worship.

Equally interesting is the pattern found in revival, in that one man has spoken, preaching in services.

Even Pauls letters talk about an elder teaching the church.

Not an elder but elders plural , never one man : careful about twisting scripture

 

[John tower]

And in corinthians we read about everyone having a message or a word and that it resulted in confussion.
Paul appointed leaders and in a hiararchical age would have appointed a leader.

Through out history there have been those who wanted to return the 'church' to the simplicity/pureity of the NT example.

A large part of the problem is that just about every form of church government can be supported by scripture.

Jesus told us that we should worship in 'Spirit and in Truth' if we are doing that do you think God won't hear one Christian because he dresses funnily or another because he sits in a circle, or others because a woman is leading etc etc

Better a little occasional confusion with movement of the spirit , than a totally controlled by men , spititually dead church , because there is no moving of God's spirit : but death : there is no confusion here because they are dead : is this what you are pushing ?

 

[John tower]

YESHUA speaking to the Called out ones in Ephesus commends them for hating the deeds of the nicolaitians which He also hated. Revelation 2:6

The Greek word miseo, which means to hate, to abhor.

The name “Nicolaitans” is from from the Greek nikolaos to conquer or to subdue and word laos is the people. where the word laity comes from

Lord's over the laity

If you want to see the nicolatians of today, look no further than a pulpit.

They stand above the congregation, extraordinarily so in the RCC pulpits, they're screwed.

stand when the phoney man walks in, sit when he says sit, and he doesn't even have to say simon says to get the sheeple to do it.

Sad but so true : You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink

 

[John tower]

The rules / guidelines on this man-created forum call some of this controversial and can result in sudden disappearance in this section, but is not subject to that in the controversial section, by rule of site.

Instead of trying to destroy one man's work , why don't you do something yourself ! : Wonder what God thinks about this ?

 

[John tower]

You are not Jesus

You get a 10 out of 10 for just being argumentative , just like certain people did to Jesus no matter what he said

 

[justbyfaith]

In any situation where the gifts are operating, there may be words of wisdom, words of knowledge, prophecies, or words spoken that may not have scripture attached to them. If they are speaking of doctrine they ought to have the scripture back up what they are saying doctrinally. But a word for a person may not necessarily have scripture attached to it. It may, for example, be a prophecy for that particular person, wherein God gives to that person a specific word that does not have scripture attached to it concerning what is going to happen to them. Or, it may be a word of wisdom, wherein a course of action is given for a person and likewise no scripture is attached; while I'm sure if one searched hard enough one might be able to find a scripture to back up that word of wisdom, word of knowledge, or prophecy; yet to prohibit someone from sharing a word if they don't have a scripture to back it up, borderlines on quenching the Spirit.