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What evidence do you have that the Word of God doesn't teach error? You deny there is anyone teaching without error.

what about the Apostles. Were they fallible?

Just the teaching. Is there anyone teaching a doctrine that doesn't contain error? There was a Church that did.

Who is without error that is being led by the Holy Spirit? Jesus is not here to teach any more. He did send teachers though. He said those who hear them hear Him. Why did Jesus establish a teaching without error if it was not going to stay without error? If it were to become Just another work of men. Jesus said He wouldn't leave us orphans...I guess He did.

The Word of God gets everything right all the time. Who is teaching Word of god without error like the Apostles did? There is no expression of the Word of God on earth if no one is teaching it without error like the Apostles did. You agree the Word of God teaches without error.

The authority is the word of God, not man. The apostles were not infallible, (remember Paul firmly corrected Peter, publicly, in regard to his attitude toward Gentiles.) The inspired writings are without error, because God is the source and Author, not man.
 
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Go back and read what I wrote. I have already answered that.
But you also wrote the statement below.

all of us, has a beginning, God does not.)
You don't see a contradiction? Jesus began but God has no beginning. Jesus is God so he didn't begin? Jesus isn't God because He began?
 
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They think they do God a service by antagonizing you.

Do you have some actual evidence to what you are charging us of/stating as a fact? That our sole purpose here is to antagonize, and worse yet we think we are doing so because God wants us to simply antagonize? No idea where that comes from.

Not fair at all, and sounds like a comment more out of desperation/frail attempt to unfairly discredit because there is no reasonable argument against some of our comments, a bit like the following...

In the end they are choosing to reject the church

How are we choosing to reject the church? And I'll need something biblical/solid if you want to make that stick, that is if you actually choose to attempt an explanation to the charge.

It's as if you are saying not bowing to Mary, a clear infraction of the second commandment, is rejecting the church...how strange is that?
 
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The authority is the word of God, not man. The apostles were not infallible, (remember Paul firmly corrected Peter, publicly, in regard to his attitude toward Gentiles.) The inspired writings are without error, because God is the source and Author, not man.
Written words aren't able to exercise authority. Or else everyone would agree on what they mean. Is there anyone teaching the inspired word without error? If not what good is it? It was taught by humans, then what they were teaching was written. It's what humans were teaching, were they not needed because what they taught was written? Not making sense.
 
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But you also wrote the statement below.

You don't see a contradiction? Jesus began but God has no beginning. Jesus is God so he didn't begin? Jesus isn't God because He began?

Again, go back and read my entire post. There is no “contradiction.” You may want there to be and you seem to want to prove I’m a heretic. (Indeed, you already accused me of being one) That’s unfortunate and hardly helpful.

I’m done going around in circles.
 
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Written words aren't able to exercise authority. Or else everyone would agree on what they mean. Is there anyone teaching the inspired word without error? If not what good is it? It was taught by humans, then what they were teaching was written. It's what humans were teaching, were they not needed because what they taught was written? Not making sense.

Teach the word of God. Sound doctrine and rightly dividing the word of truth is as important now as it ever was. And we are not orphans, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit.
 
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Do you have some actual evidence to what you are charging us of/stating as a fact? That our sole purpose here is to antagonize, and worse yet we think we are doing so because God wants us to simply antagonize? No idea where that comes from.

Not fair at all, and sounds like a comment more out of desperation/frail attempt to unfairly discredit because there is no reasonable argument for some of our comments, a bit like the following...

How are we choosing to reject the church? And I'll need something biblical/solid if you want to make that stick, that is if you actually choose to attempt an explanation to the charge.

It's as if you are saying not bowing to Mary, a clear infraction of the second commandment, is rejecting the church...how strange is that?

This is, unfortunately, what it most often comes down to. Honest questions are asked, referring to Scripture, in regard to praying to Mary and bowing down to images, icons, statues and shrines, and in return come the accusations of “heretic” and speaking evil of Christ’s blessed mother.

And it rarely ever gets past that point. Once one has been labeled a hateful, blaspheming heretic it kind of kills any hope of actual honest discussion.
 
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Not fair at all, and sounds like a comment more out of desperation/frail attempt to unfairly discredit because there is no reasonable argument for some of our comments, a bit like the following...
How about a thread titled; Why worship the bible? Would it be fair to say it is a thread to antagonize? Especially if no matter what you say, how reasonable your defense that you are not worshipping the bible, you are practicing idolatry.
 
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Teach the word of God. Sound doctrine and rightly dividing the word of truth is as important now as it ever was. And we are not orphans, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Yet everyone teaches some error.
 
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This is, unfortunately, what it most often comes down to. Honest questions are asked, referring to Scripture, in regard to praying to Mary and bowing down to images, icons, statues and shrines, and in return come the accusations of “heretic” and speaking evil of Christ’s blessed mother.
I refer to Scripture all the time. It's just not my argument, it supports my argument. That's the proper way to use scripture.
 
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Do you have some actual evidence to what you are charging us of/stating as a fact? That our sole purpose here is to antagonize, and worse yet we think we are doing so because God wants us to simply antagonize? No idea where that comes from.

Not fair at all, and sounds like a comment more out of desperation/frail attempt to unfairly discredit because there is no reasonable argument for some of our comments, a bit like the following...



How are we choosing to reject the church? And I'll need something biblical/solid if you want to make that stick, that is if you actually choose to attempt an explanation to the charge.

It's as if you are saying not bowing to Mary, a clear infraction of the second commandment, is rejecting the church...how strange is that?

First, I'm not going to answer you or Amariselle beyond this. Your apologetics demand that you go out and correct people. I just watched a Protestant kid who was a cashier at Walmart try to "witness" to some Catholics. It's just the nature of your cult.
The OP asked a question and here we are 16 pages later with Protestants trying to use 400 years of heresy to denounce the Veneration of Mary. It's all nonsense and worthless bantar.
 
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This is, unfortunately, what it most often comes down to. Honest questions are asked, referring to Scripture, in regard to praying to Mary and bowing down to images, icons, statues and shrines, and in return come the accusations of “heretic” and speaking evil of Christ’s blessed mother.

And it rarely ever gets past that point. Once one has been labeled a hateful, blaspheming heretic it kind of kills any hope of actual honest discussion.

Exactly, all too common with debates like this.

All we can do is hope onlookers recognize the signs and what they mean.
 
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How about a thread titled; Why worship the bible? Would it be fair to say it is a thread to antagonize? Especially if no matter what you say, how reasonable your defense that you are not worshipping the bible, you are practicing idolatry.

Why don't you stick with the post you replied to, and present your reasonable argument against what we say instead of whatever that is you posted there? Isn't the idea here to settle things with actual facts?

How is bowing to Mary ok, when the bible states clearly, it is not?
 
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How about a thread titled; Why worship the bible? Would it be fair to say it is a thread to antagonize? Especially if no matter what you say, how reasonable your defense that you are not worshipping the bible, you are practicing idolatry.

Well, if we start making statues, icons, images or shrines to the Bible abd bowing down to them, lighting candles and praying to them, then we would be dealing with the same issue, absolutely.
 
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First, I'm not going to answer you or Amariselle beyond this. Your apologetics demand that you go out and correct people. I just watched a Protestant kid who was a cashier at Walmart try to "witness" to some Catholics. It's just the nature of your cult.

Our “cult”???

The OP asked a question and here we are 16 pages later with Protestants trying to use 400 years of heresy to denounce the Veneration of Mary. It's all nonsense and worthless bantar.

What “heresy”. Please back that accusation up.

Thanks!
 
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I refer to Scripture all the time. It's just not my argument, it supports my argument. That's the proper way to use scripture.

Okay, well as the topic of this thread is Mary, please support bowing down to statues, images, icons and shrines of her. And please explain, from Scripture where this is permitted.
 
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First, I'm not going to answer you or Amariselle beyond this.

Of course you aren't, exactly as predicted, you will not attempt an explanation to the charge.

You will not, nor can you answer my questions without incriminating your stance. I can only hope you can recognize what cases one not to answer. And my point, BTW, is never to antagonize or goad you into an answer or to embarrass because you cannot, but to get you to see that you would not answer certain things, with the hope the whys to that action/inaction would sink in for you.

Your apologetics demand that you go out and correct people. I just watched a Protestant kid who was a cashier at Walmart try to "witness" to some Catholics. It's just the nature of your cult.
The OP asked a question and here we are 16 pages later with Protestants trying to use 400 years of heresy to denounce the Veneration of Mary. It's all nonsense and worthless bantar.

Not a thing there on the actual debate, just personal/general attacks that prove my point in it's entirety...frail attempts with exactly zero comments to back them up. And that's not to say I mind at all, it helps my case tremendously.
 
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Yet everyone teaches some error.

People are not infallible, including the Pope. This is why our authority in testing things must not be human opinion, but Scripture.
 
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Yeah... Bible Worship

Right....Joel Osteen and his false “prosperity gospel”. You do realize he is soundly rejected by many Protestants and Evangelicals, right?

He hardly represents the Protestant position, so, nice try, but you’ll need to to better than that.
 
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