President Trump, Cyrus prophecies and the Jerusalem Sanhedrin?

Is it possible for President Trump to be a modern Cyrus?

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You believe Hashem will be happen that his chosen people will be able to worship and follow Torah more? Why?

If Torah struck messiah down ....will not Torah strike us who believe in him?

think this through....what will the temple and old ways accomplish for messianics?....You will eventually be seen as enemies against Torah enemies against thier messiah ....only tribulation will eventually befall those who oppose thier teachings...

As seen in Matthew 24



Take the lesson from Moses and see the warning....moses struck the rock instead of speak to the rock ...when he stuck the rock the second time he was not allowed in the promise land....the temple cause many to fall away because they will use Torah to strike the body of messiah which causes many to not be allowed in the promised land .

And Isaiah 8:14

The warning signs are there not to be involved in the temple worship of the future that is until Yahshua leads them .


Torah DID NOT strike Yeshua down!!!!

Too many, FAR TOO MANY conflate the Law of sin and death with Torah. THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.

You do not know what the Torah is if you think it struck Messiah down. John tells us plainly that "THE WORD" became FLESH. The NT was not a canonized text when John wrote this. It is almost certain that it was written before the destruction of the temple since there is no mention of a FULFILLED prophecy by Yeshua concerning the temple. That would then mean that the only WORD was the Tanakh and more specifically the TORAH. Yeshua himself makes this allusion when he says that "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Do an OT word study on those three things and you quickly discover that ALL are attributes of the TORAH (Law)
 
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Yes, I speak with authority from within God's Holy Writ.

Gal 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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The Promise by Faith first given Abraham is about The Gospel of Jesus Christ.

This is why in Galatians 3 Apostle Paul shows those of Faith who have believed as Abraham have become the children of Abraham, and heirs with him.

Paul also showed the Promise by Faith was 430 years BEFORE THE LAW, and before the existence of Israel. Paul also showed the law, which came later, cannot annul the Promise by Faith that was given first!

So what are those up to who try to make God's promises and blessings first given Abraham to be only for the seed of Israel? and especially by those orthodox Jews who still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ? And even those orthodox Jews that don't like anyone else to be called Israel except themselves?? Those are FALSE JEWS that try and steal those things from God's Israel of both believing Israelite and believing Gentile, i.e., Christ's Church.
Yet, Adam and Eve engaged in the sacrificial system, Noah knew what animals were clean and unclean. Abraham according to YVHV speaking to Issac said that Abraham obeyed "My laws, statutes, decrees, and commandments. " While we know for certain that the Torah was given to Moche directly from Adonai there are ample hints that some form of Torah existed before the flood and was likely passed down by Seth to Abraham.
 
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Torah DID NOT strike Yeshua down!!!!

Too many, FAR TOO MANY conflate the Law of sin and death with Torah. THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.

You do not know what the Torah is if you think it struck Messiah down. John tells us plainly that "THE WORD" became FLESH. The NT was not a canonized text when John wrote this. It is almost certain that it was written before the destruction of the temple since there is no mention of a FULFILLED prophecy by Yeshua concerning the temple. That would then mean that the only WORD was the Tanakh and more specifically the TORAH. Yeshua himself makes this allusion when he says that "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Do an OT word study on those three things and you quickly discover that ALL are attributes of the TORAH (Law)

Ok so Moses striking the rock is a picture of Moses striking Torah ?
 
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It's Moses disobeying YVHV.

Not the first time ...the first time he was commanded and obeyed to strike Torah .

It was the second time that he disobeyed and struck Torah ...rather than speak to Torah for water

What does that mean?
 
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Not the first time ...the first time he was commanded and obeyed to strike Torah .

It was the second time that he disobeyed and struck Torah ...rather than speak to Torah for water

What does that mean?
5And why have you made us come up out of Egypt to bring us to this evil place? It is no place for grain or figs or vines or pomegranates, and there is no water to drink.”6Then Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the entrance of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces. And the glory of the LORD appeared to them, 7and the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,8“Take the staff, and assemble the congregation, you and Aaron your brother, and tell the rock before their eyes to yield its water. So you shall bring water out of the rock for them and give drink to the congregation and their cattle.” 9And Moses took the staff from before the LORD, as he commanded him.

Moses Strikes the Rock

10Then Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock, and he said to them, “Hear now, you rebels: shall we bring water for you out of this rock?” 11And Moses lifted up his hand and struck the rock with his staff twice, and water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their livestock.12And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not believe in me, to uphold me as holy in the eyes of the people of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land that I have given them.”

I see nowhere, where YVHV told Moses to strike the rock.
 
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5And why have you made us come up out of Egypt to bring us to this evil place? It is no place for grain or figs or vines or pomegranates, and there is no water to drink.”6Then Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the entrance of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces. And the glory of the LORD appeared to them, 7and the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,8“Take the staff, and assemble the congregation, you and Aaron your brother, and tell the rock before their eyes to yield its water. So you shall bring water out of the rock for them and give drink to the congregation and their cattle.” 9And Moses took the staff from before the LORD, as he commanded him.

Moses Strikes the Rock

10Then Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock, and he said to them, “Hear now, you rebels: shall we bring water for you out of this rock?” 11And Moses lifted up his hand and struck the rock with his staff twice, and water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their livestock.12And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not believe in me, to uphold me as holy in the eyes of the people of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land that I have given them.”

I see nowhere, where YVHV told Moses to strike the rock.

Exodus 17:6
 
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Yes, I speak with authority from within God's Holy Writ.

Gal 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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The Promise by Faith first given Abraham is about The Gospel of Jesus Christ.

This is why in Galatians 3 Apostle Paul shows those of Faith who have believed as Abraham have become the children of Abraham, and heirs with him.

Paul also showed the Promise by Faith was 430 years BEFORE THE LAW, and before the existence of Israel. Paul also showed the law, which came later, cannot annul the Promise by Faith that was given first!

So what are those up to who try to make God's promises and blessings first given Abraham to be only for the seed of Israel? and especially by those orthodox Jews who still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ? And even those orthodox Jews that don't like anyone else to be called Israel except themselves?? Those are FALSE JEWS that try and steal those things from God's Israel of both believing Israelite and believing Gentile, i.e., Christ's Church.
Very interesting indeed!

So how would your idea fit with the prediction of a Christian Political Cyrus as given by a man from Uganda who did seem to have some insight into how Isaiah chapter 45 would be fulfilled in our time period.

I quote him here in post #1:

Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?
 
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The Trump economy has taken 2.2 million people off food stamps. The numbers are down to an 8-year low...Unemployment, 3.8%, a generational low. Black and Hispanic unemployment rates at all-time lows

A significant turning toward G-d....
as opposed to turning toward whoever it was that President Obama and Hillary were turning toward.....
results in blessings!
 
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What do you mean ?

I do not see how the fall of the "petro-dollar" will convince Trump or (especially) Putin to sponsor / support the building of a third temple.

Why would *they* do it?

Of equal significance is the fact that their personal support doesn't matter. Not even Putin is as autocratic as was Cyrus. They have the money to contribute, but if you just want a rich person to do it you might as well appeal to a rich person who is not a national leader.


Just so you know.... I heard in a recent Mark Taylor interview that China has already stopped using the USA petro dollar to purchase oil..... and is now using one of their own Chinese currencies............. Gracias a Dios that Mr. Donald Trump is President considering how serious that could be if Hillary was in charge!
 
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Just so you know.... I heard in a recent Mark Taylor interview that China has already stopped using the USA petro dollar to purchase oil..... and is now using one of their own Chinese currencies............. Gracias a Dios that Mr. Donald Trump is President considering how serious that could be if Hillary was in charge!
https://www.aljazeera.com/programme...tro-yuan-dollar-hegemony-180331091248813.html Shanghai is reportedly taking the first steps to pay for imported oil in renminbi, or yuan, instead of the US dollar.
 
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GDP came in at 4.1% Wage growth is now at 2.8% Europe is now lowing its tarriffs and is in agreement to have FAIR trade with the US. Nafta is getting reworked with both Mexico and Canada. China WILL end up making a deal with Trump and the administration.

Trumps end game is going to make the USA as strong as it was going into the 1950's He is signalling that he is going to change the Federal Reserve back to what it was orginailly, where the Secretary of the Treasury is the chairman and the fed goveners are appointed by the President so that the countries monitary and economic plocies are working together insteaf of working against the president like it is now.

The trade deficiets will evaporate rather quickly with fair and free trade. If over the 2 terms of trump and hopefully 2 terms of pence happen the massive debt the US has will rapidly shrink by just maintaining a 3%GDP if he can get congress to do REAL cuts (not what congress calls cuts) then the US will be an economic giant that has no global equal
 
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I so thank you for this link Visionary! I already shared it in several related discussions that I have going in other forums.

You have heard this interview haven't you? (A dream of a Hurricane of USA one dollar bills is explained around the 17 minute mark in this).

 
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Excerpt:

"A new survey found that an overwhelming percentage of Orthodox Jews support President Donald Trump.

According to the poll, which was commissioned by the US-based haredi Ami Magazine, 91% of American Orthodox Jews gave Trump a "Satisfactory" or "Very Satisfactory" rating. Only 8.4% said that they were unhappy with the president's performance."https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/250068
 
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Excerpt:

"A new survey found that an overwhelming percentage of Orthodox Jews support President Donald Trump.

According to the poll, which was commissioned by the US-based haredi Ami Magazine, 91% of American Orthodox Jews gave Trump a "Satisfactory" or "Very Satisfactory" rating. Only 8.4% said that they were unhappy with the president's performance."Poll: Overwhelming amount of Orthodox Jews support Trump


I read an idea just this morning that may make the Trump Presidency more understandable.


Adam Knapp
October 5 at 11:08 AM


TRUMP, DELILAH, & A JAWBONE

I was awakened this morning a few minutes prior to 4 A.M. In the haze of waking I felt an overwhelming urgency, akin to knowing that God was about to speak. I laid in bed, a bit surprised by this sensation, and began to prepare myself for whatever it was that the Lord would say. I knew it was not like many of our normal conversations, based on the weight of what I felt. Instantly my attention was drawn to the nation and all that is taking place. I expected the Lord to speak to me regarding Judge Kavanaugh, and the soon coming Senate vote. However, while that played a very small part, the Lord drew my attention to President Trump.

I know many well-known prophets, alongside leaders within the American Church, have compared him to a Jehu as it relates to his exchange with Hillary Clinton. I know others have compared him to a Cyrus, in relation to his concern and care for Israel, partnered with his kindness towards Christianity. However, the Lord spoke something slightly distinct from these previous pictures that carried discernible aspects of truth. The Lord said, ”I have raised Donald Trump up as a judge, and the battle of the Supreme Court is the natural outworking of a judge seated in the position of leadership over this nation.” I was bewildered by this picture as I have never once considered President Trump to be a judge, nor is there any history of him in direct relation to law or the practice thereof.

The Lord then began to expand and explain what He was relaying to me. He said to me, “I have raised Donald Trump to the position of President so that he could be a judge of this nation, much like the judges of the Old Covenant. And he is my Samson to the American people.” Instantly, I received insight into how this made revelatory sense, and aligned itself to the Scripture.

The Lord asked me, “Do you think you would enjoy being led by a man as carnal as Samson? Wouldn’t you question whether I was really the one behind his strength?” At that moment I remembered Donald Trump explaining how he had never once drunk alcohol, smoked cigarettes, or tried any kind of drug. Peculiar confession for a man plagued by a womanizing history, replete of inappropriate and dishonorable interactions with females. Yet, consistent entirely with the life of Samson. On the one hand, Samson was a Nazarite, on the other he decried the commands of God pursuing a wife from the Philistines, sleeping with a prostitute, and eventually falling in love with Delilah.

The Lord began to explain to me the backdrop of the Mueller Investigation, the Stormy Daniels exposé, and even the recent attack against his taxes in relation to the NY Times article. The Lord said to me, “The lords of the Philistines are searching to find the source of his strength!” They are hoping to uncover something that will unhinge him or remove from him the anointing that the Lord has placed on him. The hope of these attacks is to blind him from the sole focus the Lord has given him in exposing darkness and re-establishing the course of this nation. They are fine with him being a leader who blindly grinds out the purposes of a foreign machine, but his aim to release America from the chains of foreign interests, and the hoped for globalization of the nations of the Earth is problematic.

The Lord further elaborated on this picture when He asked, “Am I not using the jawbone of an ass to put the enemy to flight?” I knew the pun was intended, and He was speaking about the flagrant and foul language often used by the President. I knew He was not endorsing the language of our President, but at the same time was allowing it to produce His purpose in the nations of the Earth. You see many of us have been disheartened by the man God has raised up, because he is carnal. We have seen his choice words, his personal ethics, and his treatment of women, and felt very troubled in trying to hold any alignment with him. If you have not struggled with that, I have. But this morning the Lord spoke to me plainly that His purpose is going to be established amid a carnal man yielding the jawbone of an ass. However, there is a plan of the enemy to blind him, to find the point of his weakness and exploit it, and therefore I am writing.

The Lord said to me that we must begin to pray for the ‘Josephs and Daniels’ that the Lord has hedged around the President. We must begin to pray that he follows the counsel of wise and godly servants, so that he is not entrapped by the allurement of Delilah. There is a snare that lies ahead for the President that is larger than many of us care to realize, and will reverberate through this nation if we do not begin to sincerely pray. To pray that God’s purposes are not thwarted by the arrogance of a man who is merely anointed for a task. To pray that God protects him from the deception of those who simply want to weaken and distract him. And finally, that the voices God has placed around him of wisdom would be heeded and honored.

God has given us a Samson, and while in many ways it goes against our notion of morality, it is for better or worse, His purpose in the land. He is using this man to push back the enemy and the purposes of destruction that have been laid against this nation. Yes, he is carnal and often disturbing, but to an Israelite both would be evident in knowing the judge that God raised up was entrenched in an affair with a prostitute. The evidence of a judge in the land was that the enemies that lorded over the people would be vanquished, and an era of prosperity would be known by a generation. In this time there would come repentance from their false allegiance to the gods of the Canaanites and dishonor of Jehovah. Even now throughout the land there are prayer movements sprouting up and calling forth repentance, while Samson battles against the oppressors of the people. The economy’s blossoming, the trade negotiations, and the roll back against the liberal agenda for sexual perversion are part and parcel of a judge reigning.

The battle against abortion is perhaps the greatest that lies ahead. The judges that are being placed are to help curb the flood of the enemy’s purpose in this land as it pertains to morality. There is much to be done, and great hope to be had by Christians, on the right or the left, who understand our influence is greatest when opposing gross darkness. There is no reason to fear, no reason to shrink back, but instead a call to declare the goodness and purpose of the Lord throughout this nation. Rise brothers and sisters, begin to pray, begin to cry aloud for mercy, and declare to the region you reside that our King reigns on the throne, and His judge is ruling in our nation!
 
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He is out to stop the One World Order as be George Soros. As Mitt Romney stated, “Affirmation of the #ParisAgreement is not only about the climate: It is also about America remaining the global leader.”

Until this point, there have been largely two schools of thought as to how nations should approach the world. There is the Realism school, which basically assumes that every country will be motivated by -- and act on -- base interests of military power and the accumulation of resources. In the Realism school, international politics is a zero-sum game: Either my country controls that oil field or island, or it doesn’t.

Trump is all for individual nations to rule themselves, and not be globally controlled as the New World Order wants. President Trump is dismantling the liberal world order.
On espere ,but maybe hoping too soon. He certainly has protection from the Holy Spirit for some years .:idea:
 
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