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Sorry BAB, Keras is on the right side of this one.
I'm not picking teams. Just sayin'.
Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The multi size text, and multiple colors in these posts remind me of braille. Never sure if i should read them, or reach out my hand to feel for the text. But these posts do give me a feel for your understanding. But can i literally "FEEL" an understanding? Or is this an idiom of some kind?
"One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him,
“Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
But this one's tough BAB. The authors of prophecy novels and YouTube videos can't always be trusted. This requires the use of your own neurotransmitters.
Previously, Jesus had also said that He must spend three days and nights in the heart of the earth.
"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
So how is it that He can also be in paradise with the criminal on the crucifixion day, if He has a previous engagement with the "heart of the earth"? He can't. This is also confirmed during His conversation with Mary in John 20 on resurrection Sunday.
"Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned and said to him in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means Teacher). Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
In another post you said:
Jesus did not really mean what he said to the thief on the cross...
I would never have suggested such a thing, nor would it have entered into my mind. So logic dictates it had to be something else. If Jesus had not yet ascended to His Father by His own Word to Mary, after the completion of three days and nights in the heart of the earth, then the only other possibility is that the translators put the comma in the wrong place.
And he said to him,
“Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
The punctuation, including the commas,,, were put in by the translators. Take the punctuation out for a minute and look at it again.
“Truly I say to you today you will be with me in paradise.”
If you knew therefore and understood that it was Scripturaly impossible for Jesus to be in paradise with the criminal prior to resurrection Sunday, and prior to spending three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, then the punctuation would be more accurately placed like this:
“Truly I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.”
He is telling him with certainty on that day, as bad and as hopeless as that day seemed to be, that it is a sure and true thing, "you will be with me in paradise.”
The "voice" of our brothers blood.
"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
Roll up your sleeves for this one BAB. This one's going to be even tougher to understand, i hope your neurotransmitters are
rolled warmed up. But i can't roll up my sleeves or my neurotransmitters, i'm wearing a T shirt. The "rolling up of sleeves" is figurative, it's a figure of speech. It means get ready to get dirty, to do something difficult, intense, or demanding. We have a long day ahead, so let's
roll up our sleeves and get to it. I'll do this fast, don't worry.
The Revelation 6 souls are like that. They are the personification of an inanimate object. They are not literally beneath the alter because they can't really be there. There's 75 million or more of them, their loud voices cry out to the Lord from the past, and from the ground. From the heart of the earth. These are the Foxe Book souls and the Piedmont Easter souls from the middle ages.
Piedmont Easter.
Remember what Paul said about the earthly temple being a copy and a shadow of the real one in Heaven?
"They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. ...
And Moses was told that he see to it to make the earthly temple exactly as the pattern that was shown to him on the mountain.
So if the earthly temple had an alter of incense, and an alter of burnt offerings, the real Temple in Heaven would have those things too.
Beneath the alter of burnt offerings, there was a container there to hold the blood from the sacrifices. This is why the Revelation souls are said to be "beneath the alter". Remember, Ezekiel said: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die? It is the blood of these dead martyrs that cries out with a loud voice, it is the memory of their deaths that are crying out to the Lord here as Abel's blood cried out to the Lord from the ground.
The voice of your brothers blood.
"And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground.
Did Abel's blood really cry out with an audible and literal voice? No, it didn't. This is a literary device. It is the personification of an inanimate object. It's poetic. It's beautiful. It's God speak. To those with the ears to hear.
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.
Peaceful Sabbath.
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