What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

[ebedmelech]

But we Christians have become the people of God and it will be us, from every race, nation and language, who will build the new Temple; to the glory of God. Revelation 7:9 shows all of the faithful Christians, soon after they all gather in all of the holy Land, when the Sixth Seal disaster clears all that area.

Of course believers are the people of God Keras...but even more to the point we are THE TEMPLE OF GOD. There will be no temple built. Consider these passages:
Ephesians 2:19-22:
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Peter calls us "living stones" in 1 Peter 2:4-6:
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 For this is contained in Scripture: “Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

The point is God's temple is His church with the apostles as the foundation and Christ as the Cornerstone. God needs no physical temple anymore...remember Christ said He is the temple, and we are IN HIM!!!

Greetings, Ebed; don't hear from you much. I note you still have very fixed beliefs.

I'm an intermodal truck driver working full time again. A day consist of 12-14 hours. so I peek in here from time to time.

Yes my beliefs have become fixed from careful study UNTIL the Spirit shows me different through study. Remember, I once followed dispensational eschatology many years back UNTIL through reading the bible chronologically the Spirit slowly opened my eyes. Yet there is much I still don't grasp...and that I don't grasp I walk softly on.

 

[klutedavid]

I'm not denying anything. I am just having a hard time with the idea as I already mentioned about a "peaceful" sacrifice. Jesus said on the cross it is finished and therefore no longer needed for any sacrifice peaceful or otherwise. I don't particularly have a hard time with the concept of a temple in the future. i do have a problem with the idea of sacrifices being needed or started again.

I have a problem with a two thousand year old temple, being built on the temple mount. People sacrificing thousands of animals for their sins in secular Israel, I can't see it. I have a major problem given that we are in a digital age now. People spend more time on their phones than doing anything else.

A rebuilt ancient temple in Israel?

That sounds impossible, it is far too late in history for secular Israel to bother with a temple. I will never see a rebuilt temple as even a possibility.

 

[jgr]

I see that Paul uses 'naos' in 2 Thess 2:4 and also in Revelation 11:2, the Temple is also the Greek word 'naos'.
These two and all the references to the Temple in the Gospels, refer to a literal, physical Temple.
So there will again be a Temple in Jerusalem and the Lord's faithful people will worship God in it. Rev 11:1 states that quite plainly.

As with Paul, John uses "naos" to refer to the spiritual temple. In every one of the three instances where he uses it outside of Revelation (which are in his gospel), it refers to the spiritual temple. In the eleven other instances where he refers to the temple in his gospel, it is to the physical temple, and he utilizes a different word i.e. "hieron".

John uses "naos" in every reference to the temple which occurs in Revelation.

John understands that every Revelation temple is a spiritual temple.

 

[keras]

The point is God's temple is His church with the apostles as the foundation and Christ as the Cornerstone. God needs no physical temple anymore...remember Christ said He is the temple, and we are IN HIM!!!

This denies many scriptures that say there will be a Temple in the end times. Revelation 11:1-2,+
While there is no Temple, as for the last nearly 2000 years, we Christians do represent God's Temple. This fact does not preclude another Temple being built. It is actually required, for the Anti-Christ to desecrate and for Jesus to Return into.

 

[BABerean2]

This denies many scriptures that say there will be a Temple in the end times. Revelation 11:1-2,

The location of the temple at the beginning of Revelation chapter 11 is found at the end of the chapter.

Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.


Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

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[keras]

The location of the temple at the beginning of Revelation chapter 11 is found at the end of the chapter.

Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.


Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

There is a heavenly Temple. Moses was told to copy it for the Tabernacle in the desert and Solomon also used that design.
So there was a heavenly and a earthly Temple for quite a while. Now only the Temple in heaven remains and it is that which is seen in Revelation 11:19, whereas verses 1-3 refer to the new earthly Temple. Proved by how the outer court is given over to the Gentiles and the AC sits in the holy of holies.
Are they in heaven???????

 

[BABerean2]

So there was a heavenly and a earthly Temple for quite a while. Now only the Temple in heaven remains and it is that which is seen in Revelation 11:19, whereas verses 1-3 refer to the new earthly Temple. Proved by how the outer court is given over to the Gentiles and the AC sits in the holy of holies.
Are they in heaven???????

The city in verse 2 is New Jerusalem, because the city in verse 8 is earthly Jerusalem and it is not "holy".


Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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[keras]

The city in verse 2 is New Jerusalem, because the city in verse 8 is earthly Jerusalem and it is not "holy".

The city in Revelation 11:1-13, is the earthly Jerusalem.
It is impossible or it to be the New Jerusalem, because that doesn't come down from heaven until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-2

 

[BABerean2]

The city in Revelation 11:1-13, is the earthly Jerusalem.
It is impossible or it to be the New Jerusalem, because that doesn't come down from heaven until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-2

I did not say the temple of God is on earth, at that time.
The end of the chapter says the temple of God is in heaven, at that time.

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[keras]

I did not say the temple of God is on earth, at that time.
The end of the chapter says the temple of God is in heaven, at that time.

So?
As before, twice now, there has been a Temple in heaven and one on earth at the same time.
In times past, God wanted His people to build a Temple as a center point for their worship of Him. Bible prophecy says His faithful Christian people will build a new Temple that will surpass the splendor of the former ones. Haggai 2:6-9

 

[ebedmelech]

This denies many scriptures that say there will be a Temple in the end times. Revelation 11:1-2,+
While there is no Temple, as for the last nearly 2000 years, we Christians do represent God's Temple. This fact does not preclude another Temple being built. It is actually required, for the Anti-Christ to desecrate and for Jesus to Return into.

I encourage you to read Revelation 11 carefully. Reading the passage not understanding it is apocalyptic leads to error. The Jerusalem temple is about to fall in Revelation 11:1-13.

Even more to have read Heberews 8, 9, and 10 how could you even think there's a need for another temple Keras???

 

[BABerean2]

So?
As before, twice now, there has been a Temple in heaven and one on earth at the same time.
In times past, God wanted His people to build a Temple as a center point for their worship of Him. Bible prophecy says His faithful Christian people will build a new Temple that will surpass the splendor of the former ones. Haggai 2:6-9

You are correct in the fact that we are to help build a new temple.
It is a temple of the New Covenant.
We help build that temple each time we share the Gospel.

That splendid, holy temple is found below.

We are the stones of that temple.

The cornerstone of that temple is Jesus Christ.


1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


Your Bible says the same thing.

Is there to be three temples at the same time, in the future?

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[keras]

Even more to have read Heberews 8, 9, and 10 how could you even think there's a need for another temple Keras???

I think it because God plainly says He will require a new Temple, where His faithful Christian people will worship Him in spirit and in truth, making thank offerings and asking forgiveness for sins.

We are told that during this age of Church dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4

Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 is the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Daniel 12:1, Revelation 7:9-14

Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.
This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous Faithful Christian peoples of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

Psalm 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favor to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……
Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.

The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6 But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22

 

[BABerean2]

I think it because God plainly says He will require a new Temple, where His faithful Christian people will worship Him in spirit and in truth, making thank offerings and asking forgiveness for sins.

We are told that during this age of Church dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4

Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 is the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Daniel 12:1, Revelation 7:9-14

Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.
This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous Faithful Christian peoples of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

Your post above contains double-talk, because you contradict yourself.

You say above that "Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of ours sins." and then you claim that sacrifices will be needed at a later time, because "He will require a new Temple, where His faithful Christian people will worship Him in spirit and in truth, making thank offerings and asking forgiveness for sins."

Look up the words "once" and "forever" in the dictionary.

This conflict produced shows the error of what you are promoting.

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[claninja]

Some Christian interpretations of Ezekiel's temple are:
1. it is the temple that Zerubbabel should have built;
2. a literal temple to be rebuilt during the millennial reign of Christ,
3. a temple which is symbolic of the worship of God by the Christian church today,
4. or a symbol of the future and eternal reign of God.

It's a puzzle to me. Such a detailed description - like an architects plans. My guess is that number 1 is most likely: it is the temple that Zerubbabel should have built. There are problems with number 2: Isaiah states that God does not want animal sacrifice - so that would apply to any future as well, unless we want to accept dispensationalism, and I don't - that would mean that Isaiah was mistaken, and the atonement of Jesus is invalid - I don't believe that.
There's also the problem that I don't believe in a millennial reign of Christ.
Option three doesn't seem likely - why would it be a symbol of worship? What's it got to do with Christian worship - a naff idea, in my opinion.
Option 4 is the same as option 3.

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple. He said: “Son of man, this is the place of my throne (heaven) and the place for the soles of my feet (earth). This is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool.

**The Ezekiel temple is the body of Christ, where God now dwells with his people, whether they are in heaven (his throne) or on earth (his footstool).

Ephesians 2:20-22but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God bye the Spirit.

Prior to the cross, people were separated from God, both on the earth (temple symbolized this) and in heaven (no one ascended to Father prior to Jesus). After the cross, God now dwells on earth (his footstool) in spirit with the body of Christ, and in heaven (his throne) with those in the body of Christ who have gone home.

 

[keras]

Your post above contains double-talk, because you contradict yourself.

You say above that "Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of ours sins." and then you claim that sacrifices will be needed at a later time, because "He will require a new Temple, where His faithful Christian people will worship Him in spirit and in truth, making thank offerings and asking forgiveness for sins."

Jesus did provide the Atonement for our sins. But we can still sin, knowingly and unknowingly. We need to now pray for forgiveness for those sins and later we will be able to make physical offerings in God's Temple for any wrongdoings we may have done and we can also physically give symbols of our crops and livestock to God, of gratitude for His provision to us.

I have shown many undeniable scriptures that prove the existence of a new Temple in the end times. Why ignore them? We build Churches and Cathedrals, why not a proper Temple to the glory of God?

 

[συνείδησις]

I believe that Ezekiel's temple is all symbolic of the temple that is currently being built.

 

[David Kent]

[The Second Temple was not greater than Solomon’s Temple]

If you assume that Herod's temple is still the 2nd temple then it will be greater than Solomon's because the Lord Jesus was there.

On the other hand, Paul only refers to the temple of God as the Church, I would say that the church s the temple referred to. The temple is where God dwells and today it is in His Church.

 

[BABerean2]

We build Churches and Cathedrals, why not a proper Temple to the glory of God?

A "Church" is a local assembly of believers, instead of a building.

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[keras]

I believe that Ezekiel's temple is all symbolic of the temple that is currently being built.

There is no Temple being built in Jerusalem now. The Jews have done some preparation, but to start construction, would trigger a war with Islam.

If you assume that Herod's temple is still the 2nd temple then it will be greater than Solomon's because the Lord Jesus was there.

It is normal to refer to Herod's Temple as the Second Temple, even though it was a total rebuild.
The Third Temple, yet to be built, is prophesied to be more splendid that any former Temple. Haggai 2:6-9

On the other hand, Paul only refers to the temple of God as the Church, I would say that the church s the temple referred to. The temple is where God dwells and today it is in His Church.

This truth does not preclude a literal Temple in the future. God wanted one before and He doesn't change.

A "Church" is a local assembly of believers, instead of a building.

The type of statement made by someone who has no proper rebuttal to the truths presented.

I have shown many undeniable scriptures that prove the existence of a new Temple in the end times. Why ignore them?