LDS Life on the Sun

[drstevej]

Brigham Young

“Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?… when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fathers. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so will this earth when it is celestialized”

What up with the inhabitants of the sun? Must need some high SPF sunscreen.
When do we earthbound folk get our planet "Celestialized"?

Which is preferable life on the moon or sun?

 

[Anto9us]

It is difficult to compare, from the different life-times I have spent on Kolob, the sun, and the moon, which is the preferable place.

I do not know what year Earth will be celestialized, but I think it will happen on BringEm Young's birthday.

 

[drstevej]

Ya can't wear Flip-Flops on the Moon..

Daytime on one side of the moon lasts about 13 and a half days, followed by 13 and a half nights of darkness. When sunlight hits the moon's surface, the temperature can reach 260 degrees Fahrenheit (127 degrees Celsius). When the sun goes down, temperatures can dip to minus 280 F (minus 173 C).

What is the Temperature on the Moon?

 

[Ironhold]

Is this meant to be a discussion?

 

[drstevej]

How is this less speculative than the Kolob stuff? Or the Garden of Eden in Missouri?

 

[Jane_Doe]

@drstevej , just FYI: your threads here drive LDS folks away from what you call Christianity.

 

[drstevej]

And they keep Christians from being duped by Mormon propaganda.

 

[Jane_Doe]

And they keep Christians from being duped by Mormon cult propaganda.

I known the Christian faith, including the Baptist subgroup. Such a faith is strong, held by people's very real love of Christ. Such strong warriors of Christ have no reason to rely on tactics such as mocking or misrepresenting others. Rather they bring wonderful love and light to the table-- a window to His goodness. I love such disciples of Christ.

 

[drstevej]

Mormonism is a false religion that presents a false gospel. Would you be upset if a Doctor told you that you had a terminal disease and unless you receive the only antidote you will die a grusome death? If he ridiculed your ineffective home remedies to get your attention would you still continue to trust in snake-oil rubs?

 

[Anto9us]

The posters that answer things here and make posts -- believe it or not -- are NOT the only ones being addressed in this Debate Other Religions & Faiths forum. The format here, as I understand it, is that threads may be started by a regular Nicene Christian, addressing the beliefs of what CF deems as a non-Christian group; and that members of that non-Christian group may post in answer to the topic.

In the case of LDS, there are a handful of Mormons here; they are "defending their religion" (as is their right) -- I would think it futile to try to "change their minds"...

The readers of these threads who may never actually post in them themselves have the opportunity to see the rather outlandish claims (IMO) of Mormon writings, see the attempts at defending them by today's Mormons, and can make a decision on this BOM and related JS writings -- a decision based on info that may be completely new to them -- iow, they may be much like me when I came here (relatively ignorant of BOM and how it itself claims to have come to us).

I have seen things in this forum about LDS that completely blow my mind as to their ridiculousness and absurdity. I grow more astonished with each passing day that there are 16 million followers of this stuff, or whatever the number is.

But it is the UNSEEN POTENTIAL READERS of these threads here that are present in my mind as ones who can benefit from being exposed to the false claims of Joseph Smith.

I am NOT trying to "proseletize" Jane_Doe or Ironhold, that would be futile.

The unknown (to me) and unnamed members of the board who may be getting their first exposure to some of the outlandish claims I am talking about -- these are "the people that matter" imo.

So, it is not just "making fun of Mormons to be making fun" -- it is sort of like what drstevej was getting at -- pointing out the ingredients of the Snake Oil to those that don't know that much about it

 

[Anto9us]

Satire and Sarcasm have been a part of religious discussions for centuries.

I am now almost finished reading my second biography of Martin Luther (the Bainton 'Here I Stand'book) and it is chockful of satirical cartoons and sarcastic rhetoric going back and forth between Luther and the Papists, as well as between Luther and the Radicals of the Reformation.

It comes out more in the Bainton biography than the Edith Simon Luther Alive biography, which is an excellent life of Luther also.

Sarcasm and Satire are simply part of our written communication; present even in Apostle Paul writing of circumcision, the Judaizers, and joking about 'hoping the knife would slip'.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Mormonism is a cult that presents a false gospel. Would you be upset if a Doctor told you that you had a terminal disease and unless you receive the only antidote you will die a grusome death? If he ridiculed your ineffective home remedies to get your attention would you still continue to trust in snake-oil rubs?

Christ never used mockery. Rather He ate with sinners and urged people to come to Truth while doing so in love.

I am truly blessed to have some many good Christian friends in my life, from Baptists to Catholics to Methodists, etc.

 

[Anto9us]

Christ told the Syro-Phoenician woman that "the children should eat before the dogs", I am sure while doing so in love, and wound up healing the daughter of the Gentile woman, obstensibly because she bantered back with Him about "even dogs can lick crumbs from under the table."

But that He used mockery in His first response to her is quite evident.

 

[Jane_Doe]

In the case of LDS, there are a handful of Mormons here; they are "defending their religion" (as is their right) -- I would think it futile to try to "change their minds"...

I have no need to defend my faith. Christ stands on His own without me defending it (same with Baptist beliefs, CC, etc). We can indeed explain our beliefs to others to help folks understand, if they want to see the real picture (not mockery style).



I'm on CF here because I love other disciples of Christ and want to have high quality conversations with them. I used to visit many non-LDS churches a year for that purpose, but scheduling now prevents me from doing such, so I turn to online. I want to understand and love more disciples of Christ better.

 

[drstevej]

Christ never used mockery.

Matthew 23:13-15 (Jesus to Pharisees) 13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves."

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness."

33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?

 

[drstevej]

Jane this is a Debate forum. CF does not consider Mormons to be Christians.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Jane this is a Debate forum. CF does not consider Mormons to be Christians.

I am fully aware of CF and having been abiding by them as I try to talk with other people who love Christ. Again, my goal here is to come to better love and understand those people, as I no longer able to visit other churches in person (except on the rare occasion).

 

[drstevej]

You are welcome to attend the church I attend or view our services on line.

 

[Jane_Doe]

You are welcome to attend the church I attend or view our services on line.

As I said earlier, scheduling prevents me from attending in person. And I can't intact with a recorded sermon. Hence reaching out to CF to talk with other folks about their love of Christ.

 

[drstevej]

How do you interact with the sermon when you attend a non-Mormon Church?