GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

[LoveGodsWord]

I agree, but that did not address the text I had put there. The text I put there was about the first resurrection in Revelation being described for those who were martyred and did not receive the mark. That is more particular.

Sorry tall,

I do not read it that way. The Martyrs are those who have died in Christ right? So of course they are part of the first ressurection because the 1st ressurrection are for all those who have died in Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

He says in plain language what will happen. You only want it to be a parable to avoid what it says--they are brought before His throne and divided.

I think your the only one that I have ever met that believes the parable of the sheep and goats is not a parable.

The parable only states that at the second coming the sheep and the goats are separated.

This is because the fate of all have already been decided before the 2nd coming in the judgment when the annoncement is made...

REVELATION 22:11-12 [11], He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [12], And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

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[The7thColporteur]

...The way is already open ...

Of course the way into the Heavenly Sanctuary and unto the Mercy Seat was made open by Jesus. That does not mean that the ministration of Christ Jesus as High Priest [made so at Pentecost, texts already provided] of the second compartment was then in service, you simply assert it in defiance of all that which is presented to you.

 

[The7thColporteur]

It is speaking of the mount.......


And Solomon's temple had ten of them, and they were on the north and the south. So no, the shewbread tables were not the throne.

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2 Chronicles 4:8 He made also ten tables, and placed them in the temple, five on the right side, and five on the left. And he made an hundred basons of gold.

19 And Solomon made all the vessels that were for the house of God, the golden altar also, and the tables whereon the shewbread was set;

Indeed, Ten Tables, as the Ten Commandments, the Ten Words of God.

 

[tall73]

First, "the life" is in "the blood". Thus "the blood" cries out on earth, etc. "the blood" of Abel was the witness against Cain in Genesis, etc. Thus "the blood" of the animals [in which the sin was transferred to] is left as witness/record on the veil. The "blood" carries DNA, a written code, on earth. Thus the "life" is "in" "the blood". The "blood" on earth was to match that which is written in heaven in the 'books' therein. The blood of the animal was to typologically have the 'transferred' sin record of the sinner, and this was brought and placed upon the veil before God, and where the angels were.

Leviticus 17:11 KJB - For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

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Note it says make atonement, not make a sin record.

And already noted the sin offering made holy:

25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
26 The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation.
27 Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.

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Why do you assert that the type, involved no 'books'? The 'books' [records] are in Heaven, not earth.

Because it didn't. The high priest did not go into the temple and go through records. He presented the blood of the sacrifice.

Even God speaks of one of the books in the matters of judgment:

Exodus 32:33 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.


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Indeed He does. But there was no book in the Day of Atonement type.

There is a judgment associated with the day if they did not follow the requirements. But inside the sanctuary there was cleansing blood applied, not books examined.
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Also the High Priest carried on his chest, the breast plate with the names [charaters] of Israel, as the type:

The names of Israel are not records of books.

Endless assertions, backed by absolutely no [0, zero, nada, ziltch, nuthin', goose-egg, bubkiss] scripture [KJB].

Backed up by what it actually says:

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Do you have testimonies written in your own name? Is there an "early writings of Tall73" that I should read?

No, you have enough to read with Ellen White's. But hers certainly is more entertaining with her calling the message that Jesus will return in 1843 true.

 

[tall73]

Not speaking about the once for all sacrifice. Speaking about the differing timings of the differing ministrations of that once for all sacrifice.

Yeah, it gave that too. He sat down having offered it, in comparison to the standing priest. The priest was the one who ministered it. Jesus ministered it then sat down.

You have confused the two things. I already demonstrated the "daily" ministration of Jesus, in this very thread, which again, you ignore.

Actually I don't ignore the fact that He completed all the sacrifices at once, and doesn't need to stand to offer them.

 

[tall73]

There is possibly many views on this scripture. My view is that when judgment is given (after the investigative judgment) then all will bow before God (not at the same time).

The saints will bow before God at the 2nd coming for the saints and the 1st ressurection of the dead in Christ who receive their rewards

Then those after the 2nd resurrection of the wicked will also bow before God to hear their punishment when judgment is pronounced.

It is not very hard

How can there be many views, and it not be very hard?

But in any case, so you see them then at their resurrections experiencing confession, bowing etc.

Then there is no need of any investigative judgment. They just confessed.

 

[tall73]

You admit this in your own words by admitting earlier that the cleansing of the Sanctuary has not been completed as the sins have not been applied to the scapegoat.

No, that is not what the type says.

17 And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.

He goes in to make atonement, and when he comes out he has already made atonement for himself, for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. It continues on to explain:

18 And he shall go out unto the altar that is before the Lord, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about.


19 And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.


20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

By this point he has already made atonement for all the people, and reconciled the sanctuary. Then comes the portion with the scapegoat. It is after, and separate.

And what did the high priest do when he was in the sanctuary? He offered the sacrifice and its blood.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But in any case, so you see them then at their resurrections experiencing confession, bowing etc.
Then there is no need of any investigative judgment. They just confessed.

Not really confession is made because the judgment is already made and investigated. What are they going to say at judgment time to God? That is not true?

 

[The7thColporteur]

Yeah, it gave that too. He sat down having offered it, in comparison to the standing priest. The priest was the one who ministered it. Jesus ministered it then sat down.

That's a confusion again by yourself in the functions of King and Priest and the differing ministrations thereof.

See the "daily" - GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

Once Sacrifice. Done. Yet there is also the holy and Most holy place functions to be performed by the High Priest Jesus, as seen in the texts cited in Revelation, at the Golden Candlesticks, at the Golden Altar, etc, etc..

Jesus Christ is not only "sitting", but also "standing" and "walking", see Acts 7:

Acts 7:55 KJB - But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 KJB - And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.​

Acts 7, comes years later, 3 1/2 to be precise {last half of the last week of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9}, after Jesus ascended from the Mount of Olives. This may be shown by the events themselves, beginning with Jesus Baptism the beginning of the final week of Daniels 70 weeks, in Daniel 9.

Go with me to Revelation to see that Jesus "walketh" among all of the 7 Churches, which are 7 Church ages, thus from Ephesus the early Apostles and Disciples unto now, we, the Seventh-day Adventists, currently, being the last, Laodicea:

Revelation 2:1 KJB - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;​

Most will not understand what it means for Jesus to "sit" upon the Right hand of God, and they do not know which Throne He then and now sits upon:

Hebrews 4:16 KJB - Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.​

But there is yet a future Throne for Jesus to sit upon, which is is not now set upon:

Matthew 19:28 KJB - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 25:31 KJB - When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:​

Neither do most realize the Dual functions that Jesus is fulfilling, in several capacities. He is both Man and God. He is both Highpriest and King, since Jesus is after the order of Melchizedek, the King-Priest.

As Highpriest, even as seen robed in Revelation 1-3, Jesus Stands as our Mediator. As King, He sits over the Kingdom of Grace.

Go back to Daniel 12:1, even Jesus will "stand" again, as done in Acts 7, for the close of Probation for the world, as then for the Jewish nation [Daniel 9:24-27 KJB].

... Actually I don't ignore the fact that He completed all the sacrifices at once, and doesn't need to stand to offer them.

Again, not about "offering". Is it deliberate with you?

Yes, died once for all - never to die again.

Jesus indeed entered once for all, but into Where specifically in Hebrews 9:12?

It was into the Sanctuary, the Holy place, through the First veil alone, not through the Second then:

Hebrews 9:12 KJB - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.​

Said so many ... ago ....

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, that is not what the type says.

17 And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.

He goes in to make atonement, and when he comes out he has already made atonement for himself, for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. It continues on to explain:
18 And he shall go out unto the altar that is before the Lord, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about.


19 And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.


20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

By this point he has already made atonement for all the people, and reconciled the sanctuary. Then comes the portion with the scapegoat. It is after, and separate.

And what did the high priest do when he was in the sanctuary? He offered the sacrifice and its blood.

Arr here is where you make a mistake. All the earlier actions lead to the bringing in of the live goat right? What is the goat for?

 

[listed]

In fairness I don't think formal education guarantees learning when it comes to the things of God. My formal theology classes were interesting, but you learn far more just by studying and praying on your own.

I agree. Personally I think you've done both. It shine through very well. I'm at your position with out the formal education.

 

[The7thColporteur]

Arr here is where you make a mistake. All the earlier actions lead to the bringing in of the live goat right? What is the goat for?

Adding to this:

Christ Jesus is both the Bullock and the Lord's Goat, but not the Scapegoat [Azaz'el, who is representing Satan/wicked], which is why there is the mentioning of the "lots":

Leviticus 16:8 KJB - And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.​

There would be no need for "lots" to be cast if both were to represent Christ Jesus.

"Lots" in scripture were always used to choose between two [or more] things, not one

[Leviticus 16:8,9,10; Numbers 26:55,56, 33:54, 34:13, 36:2,3; Deuteronomy 32:9; Joshua 13:6, 14:2, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1,2,14,17, 18:6,8,10,11, 19:1,10,17,24,32,40,51, 21:4,5,6,8,10,20,40, 23:4; Judges 1:3, 20:9; 1 Samuel 14:41; 1 Chronicles 6:54,61,63,65, 16:18, 24:5,7,31, 25:8,9, 26:13,14,16; Esther 3:7, 9:24; Nehemiah 10:34, 11:1; Psalms 16:5, 22:18, 105:11, 125:3; Proverbs 1:14, 16:33, 18:18; Isaiah 17:14, 34:17, 57:6; Jeremiah 13:25; Ezekiel 24:6, 45:1, 47:22, 48:29; Daniel 12:13; Joel 3:3; Obadiah 1:11; Jonah 1:7; Micah 2:5; Nahum 3:10; Luke 1:9; Acts 1:26, 8:21, 13:19 KJB].​

Notice, that both goats receive a designation, "one lot for the LORD".

How many for the LORD? Two or one? It is only "one".

The other "lot" was not then "for the LORD", but rather for someone else, "the other lot for the scapegoat".

Notice "for the scapegoat", not "for the LORD".

Also notice, that the scapegoat was not to make atonement for the people of God or sanctuary, but with "him", the "scapegoat":

Leviticus 16:10 KJB - But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.​

The Scapegoat was also never sacrificed, but to be "presented alive before the LORD", for the reason of making "atonement with him", after which the scapegoat was to be "let ... go ... into the wilderness", representing the desolate earth during the 1,000 years:

Satan [represented by the scapegoat, `aza'zel, not a sacrifice for sin, but ultimately responsible for all sin] then, after the Saints are "caught up" "to meet the Lord" "into the air" and the wicked are "brought low" and "slain" [to await their final sentencing in the Second resurrection after the 1000 years], is bound by his surrounding circumstance in the "1000 years" on the desolate Earth, the "wilderness" a "land not inhabited" [see Jeremiah 4:23-29, 25:33 KJB], where was once the "fruitful place", and he is bound and led away by the "strong man" [Jesus Christ; Psalms 19:5; Proverbs 24:5; Luke 11:22 KJB], just as Leviticus 16 and Revelation 20:1-3 KJB reveal [for events beforehand compare also Leviticus 16:17 KJB to Revelation 15:8 KJB, and also Leviticus 16:20; Isaiah 16:21 KJB with Jesus coming out of Heaven to Hebrews 9:28 KJB]:

Leviticus 16:17 KJB - And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy [place], until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.​

[compare to]

Revelation 15:8 KJB - And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.​

Then also:

Leviticus 16:20 KJB - And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy [place], and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

Isaiah 26:21 KJB - For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.​

[compare to]

Hebrews 9:28 KJB - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.​

Then also:

Leviticus 16:8 KJB - And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

Leviticus 16:10 KJB - But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Leviticus 16:20 KJB - And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy [place], and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:​

[compare to...]

Revelation 20:1 KJB - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.​

Then:

Leviticus 16:21 KJB - And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send [him] away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

Leviticus 16:22 KJB - And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.​

[compare to...]

Revelation 20:2 KJB - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 KJB - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.​

Satan is to be "presented alive" [Leviticus 16:10 KJB], and is not eliminated at the 2nd Advent, but is to be taken and "bound" by a "great chain" [see Lamentations 3:7; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6 KJB, for this is no ordinary chain of metal, seeing the devil may break these [Luke 8:29 KJB, etc], but a chain of circumstance] and "let go" into "the wilderness" alive.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Adding to this:

Christ Jesus is both the Bullock and the Lord's Goat, but not the Scapegoat [Azaz'el, who is representing Satan/wicked], which is why there is the mentioning of the "lots":

Leviticus 16:8 KJB - And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.​

There would be no need for "lots" to be cast if both were to represent Christ Jesus.

"Lots" in scripture were always used to choose between two [or more] things, not one

[Leviticus 16:8,9,10; Numbers 26:55,56, 33:54, 34:13, 36:2,3; Deuteronomy 32:9; Joshua 13:6, 14:2, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1,2,14,17, 18:6,8,10,11, 19:1,10,17,24,32,40,51, 21:4,5,6,8,10,20,40, 23:4; Judges 1:3, 20:9; 1 Samuel 14:41; 1 Chronicles 6:54,61,63,65, 16:18, 24:5,7,31, 25:8,9, 26:13,14,16; Esther 3:7, 9:24; Nehemiah 10:34, 11:1; Psalms 16:5, 22:18, 105:11, 125:3; Proverbs 1:14, 16:33, 18:18; Isaiah 17:14, 34:17, 57:6; Jeremiah 13:25; Ezekiel 24:6, 45:1, 47:22, 48:29; Daniel 12:13; Joel 3:3; Obadiah 1:11; Jonah 1:7; Micah 2:5; Nahum 3:10; Luke 1:9; Acts 1:26, 8:21, 13:19 KJB].​

Notice, that both goats receive a designation, "one lot for the LORD".

How many for the LORD? Two or one? It is only "one".

The other "lot" was not then "for the LORD", but rather for someone else, "the other lot for the scapegoat".

Notice "for the scapegoat", not "for the LORD".

Also notice, that the scapegoat was not to make atonement for the people of God or sanctuary, but with "him", the "scapegoat":

Leviticus 16:10 KJB - But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.​

The Scapegoat was also never sacrificed, but to be "presented alive before the LORD", for the reason of making "atonement with him", after which the scapegoat was to be "let ... go ... into the wilderness", representing the desolate earth during the 1,000 years:

Satan [represented by the scapegoat, `aza'zel, not a sacrifice for sin, but ultimately responsible for all sin] then, after the Saints are "caught up" "to meet the Lord" "into the air" and the wicked are "brought low" and "slain" [to await their final sentencing in the Second resurrection after the 1000 years], is bound by his surrounding circumstance in the "1000 years" on the desolate Earth, the "wilderness" a "land not inhabited" [see Jeremiah 4:23-29, 25:33 KJB], where was once the "fruitful place", and he is bound and led away by the "strong man" [Jesus Christ; Psalms 19:5; Proverbs 24:5; Luke 11:22 KJB], just as Leviticus 16 and Revelation 20:1-3 KJB reveal [for events beforehand compare also Leviticus 16:17 KJB to Revelation 15:8 KJB, and also Leviticus 16:20; Isaiah 16:21 KJB with Jesus coming out of Heaven to Hebrews 9:28 KJB]:

Leviticus 16:17 KJB - And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy [place], until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.​

[compare to]

Revelation 15:8 KJB - And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.​

Then also:

Leviticus 16:20 KJB - And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy [place], and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

Isaiah 26:21 KJB - For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.​

[compare to]

Hebrews 9:28 KJB - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.​

Then also:

Leviticus 16:8 KJB - And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

Leviticus 16:10 KJB - But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Leviticus 16:20 KJB - And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy [place], and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:​

[compare to...]

Revelation 20:1 KJB - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.​

Then:

Leviticus 16:21 KJB - And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send [him] away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

Leviticus 16:22 KJB - And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.​

[compare to...]

Revelation 20:2 KJB - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 KJB - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.​

Satan is to be "presented alive" [Leviticus 16:10 KJB], and is not eliminated at the 2nd Advent, but is to be taken and "bound" by a "great chain" [see Lamentations 3:7; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6 KJB, for this is no ordinary chain of metal, seeing the devil may break these [Luke 8:29 KJB, etc], but a chain of circumstance] and "let go" into "the wilderness" alive.

Yep good reply. I was waiting for the reply so you beat me.

Very well written T7C

This has been the sticking point.

 

[listed]

You are most sincerely welcome. Really. I pray all read the testimonies given from Jesus, that they might have the truth you have rejected. Yet, that is another matter from the OP. The OP is the investigative judgment. Not sister White, nor 1843, nor William Miller, etc. All of which are fine to discuss in another place.

Good. Again, all ought to read it. Yet again, the subjects are non-sequitur to the OP.

Here is the whole chapter, for context and the first sentence of the first Chapter:

"... By the request of dear friends I have consented to give a brief sketch of my experience and views, with the hope that it will cheer and strengthen the humble, trusting children of the Lord. {EW 11.1} ..."

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"... As the churches refused to receive the first angel's message, they rejected the light from heaven and fell from the favor of God. They trusted to their own strength, and by opposing the first message placed themselves where they could not see the light of the second angel's message. But the beloved of God, who were oppressed, accepted the message, "Babylon is fallen," and left the churches. [238] {EW 237.2}

Near the close of the second angel's message, [SEE APPENDIX.] I saw a great light from heaven shining upon the people of God. The rays of this light seemed bright as the sun. And I heard the voices of angels crying, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him!" {EW 238.1}

This was the midnight cry, which was to give power to the second angel's message. Angels were sent from heaven to arouse the discouraged saints and prepare them for the great work before them. The most talented men were not the first to receive this message. Angels were sent to the humble, devoted ones, and constrained them to raise the cry, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him!" Those entrusted with the cry made haste, and in the power of the Holy Spirit sounded the message, and aroused their discouraged brethren. This work did not stand in the wisdom and learning of men, but in the power of God, and His saints who heard the cry could not resist it. The most spiritual received this message first, and those who had formerly led in the work were the last to receive and help swell the cry, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him!" {EW 238.2}

In every part of the land, light was given upon the second angel's message, and the cry melted the hearts of thousands. It went from city to city, and from village to village, until the waiting people of God were fully aroused. In many churches the message was not permitted to be given, and a large company who had the living testimony left these fallen churches. A mighty work was accomplished by the midnight cry. The message was heart-searching, leading the believers to seek a living experience for themselves. They knew that they could not lean upon one another. {EW 238.3}

The saints anxiously waited for their Lord with fasting, watching, and almost constant prayer. Even some sinners looked forward to the time with terror; [239] but the great mass manifested the spirit of Satan in their opposition to the message. They mocked and scoffed, repeating everywhere, "No man knoweth the day nor the hour." Evil angels urged them on to harden their hearts and to reject every ray of light from heaven, that they might be fastened in the snare of Satan. Many who professed to be looking for Christ had no part in the work of the message. The glory of God which they had witnessed, the humility and deep devotion of the waiting ones, and the overwhelming weight of evidence, caused them to profess to receive the truth; but they had not been converted; they were not ready for the coming of their Lord. {EW 238.4}

A spirit of solemn and earnest prayer was everywhere felt by the saints. A holy solemnity was resting upon them. Angels were watching with the deepest interest the effect of the message, and were elevating those who received it, and drawing them from earthly things to obtain large supplies from salvation's fountain. God's people were then accepted of Him. Jesus looked upon them with pleasure, for His image was reflected in them. They had made a full sacrifice, an entire consecration, and expected to be changed to immortality. But they were destined again to be sadly disappointed. The time to which they looked, expecting deliverance, passed; they were still upon the earth, and the effects of the curse never seemed more visible. They had placed their affections on heaven, and in sweet anticipation had tasted immortal deliverance; but their hopes were not realized. {EW 239.1}

The fear that had rested upon many of the people did not at once disappear; they did not immediately triumph over the disappointed ones. But as no visible tokens of God's wrath appeared, they recovered from the fear which they had felt and commenced their ridicule and scoffing. The people of God were again [240] proved and tested. The world laughed and mocked and reproached them; and those who had believed without a doubt that Jesus would ere then have come to raise the dead, and change the living saints, and take the kingdom, to possess it forever, felt as did the disciples at the sepulcher of Christ, "They have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid Him." {EW 239.2} ..."​

In case you missed the first sentence of the first chapter [though I know you 'said' you had read Early Writings], she is retelling history. She had no visions or messages from angels before the close of 1844. The angel showed her the events behind the scenes, and the disappointment was already determined, see Revelation 10 KJB and the type in Jesus day.

You sure would like it to be, that you may not have to deal with your sins as pointed out by the testimony of Jesus. I would rather face my faults in the mirror provided by Jesus in the testimonies, as difficult as it may be.

Yes, indeed. Just that a few event had to take place first, and so Jesus had to first "come" to the Father, as seen in Daniel 7:13; Revelation 3:7,8 KJB. All the prophetic signs were in fulfilling, up to that time, as already shown to all here [which again, is not addressed] - GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

Neither you, nor I will be laughing in the day to come. It will indeed be very solemn.

You are still stuck on sister White. Scripture [KJB] speaks of who Babylon is, and you even claimed the title [shall I recite your reply?].

Truth is defined by the Bible [KJB], and it says that God's Law [The Ten Commandments are truth; Psalms 119:142,151 KJB]. Truth is eternal, unchanging, by its very nature of being truth.

The abuse of "No man knoweth the day nor the hour." is already addressed in EW 238.4, but I thought you had read this already? Feel free to read it again. If you need me to address it from the Bible [KJB], I can [and already have] in another thread in another location, as this place is for God's Law and Sabbath [of which the Investigative Judgment is connected intimately to], as shown in the previous replies in this thread, which you [and others] will not even touch.

Define "real truth" from the Bible [KJB].

You ought to listen to us. We implore you to listen.

No, unfortunately for you, and all who come to your living room [for your message is in no manner larger than that], you teach transgression of God's Law [1 John 3:4 KJB] and will, if unrepentant, not enter Heaven, but sadly, eternally perish in the events to come, as this is what scripture [KJB] itself teaches.

Ezekiel 33:11 KJB - Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?​

You keep fositing upon us that which is of your own making. We deny it every time, but you have no ears for it, nor eyes to see it

Why should we listen to you? What you post is contrary to the new covenant.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why should we listen to you? What you post is contrary to the new covenant.

Now listed there is no reason to get upset. Do you have any scriptures to share?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ok friends getting late my time. Nice talking to everyone. Chat more latter thanks for sharing

 

[listed]

Jesus shed blood on multiple occasions. Circumcision, Gethsemane, Trials, Calvary. Yet if you refer to Calvary that is fine, but shed blood is not enough. There must be the High Priest to complete the work thereafter, and a real Temple in Heaven, and the two places and ministries thereof - The ARK of the Covenant HAS BEEN FOUND since AD 1844! The Sabbath Commandment [Ex. 20:8-11] is seen!

There's a difference in a sacrifice and bleeding.

 

[The7thColporteur]

Why should we listen to you? What you post is contrary to the new covenant.

Please explain in careful terms why you believe what myself and LoveGod'sWord, or BobRyan, etc have shared is "contrary to the new covenant". Could you put it in point by point format?

 

[The7thColporteur]

There's a difference in a sacrifice and bleeding.

Absolutely.