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Or since it speaks these certain men which had Pharisaic sectarian beliefs.
They said the exact same thing that the certain men which argued with Paul.
Lu 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
*The certain men came from Judea
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
*Until they went out, these were not manifest...
Persons were unaware of them....
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
*They feasted with believers......
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding
themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
These were exposed when it came to the Gospel to the uncircumcision.....
Here you go again... interjecting your own belief instead of relying on the text to tell you what is going on.
1) 0 evidence that the men from Judea are believers. This lends tremendous support for the CORRECT view that both they, AND the believing Jews viewed that ONLY a Jew could be saved, therefore, the gentile FIRST must convert to be saved.
STOP trying to push your own interpretation when the text PLAINLY SPEAKS!
You INSIST on trying to tie the observance of Torah when that is NEVER at any point brought up in the debate.
Jews EXCLUSIVELY used the mosaic model of dispute resolution and Act 15 is showing you EXACTLY that!!!
Jews ONLY dealt with 1 issue at a time and they DID NOT allow other arguments to be put forward until the original argument was decided on the witness of 2 or more persons.
You see this AGAIN addressed in Acts 21 when James trying to stop the FALSE teaching that Paul was teaching against Torah, instructs Paul to take the vow of the Nazarene
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