Do You Believe In Literal Resurrection?

[MisterBlackEye]

First I asked you a question. Do you understand cloning?

I just answered your question. Are you now going to answer my question?

 

[MisterBlackEye]

Answer your own question. If I prove to you through scripture that Yahshua was God because scripture cannot be broken and it says "no man has power over the day of death" yet he says he has power over it then what does this mean for everything man is able to accomplish? That the very nature of resurrection is a manifestation of heavenly power should be enough for you to conclude your answer.

Do you believe in reincarnation, and everybody gets reincarnated, and this is the natural form of resurrection?

If this belief is true or accurate, then applying your logic to it, everybody is God.

 

[Hank77]

I have no experience in cloning, but just read up on it.

I can imagine more advanced processes of cloning being secretly known, the proprietary processes of which are not revealed in the public domain.

So if someone cloned a person they would be a physical copy of the person they were cloned from. But what would their minds be like? Would they have the memories of the experiences of the one they were cloned from? What about their character and beliefs, would they be the same? Would they even speak the same language?

Jesus was exactly the same. with the same memories, the same language, etc. So at least in the case of the only authentic resurrection that I sure of, they are not the same thing.

 

[Hank77]

So you're knowledge of Jesus comes solely from reading the bible and you have never actually met Jesus, is that correct?

And is it also correct that you have no recollection that you have ever died and been resurrected?

Correct

You do understand that words mean something and that resurrection means being raised from the dead and that is not what cloning is?

 

[Kevin Snow]

Do you believe in reincarnation, and everybody gets reincarnated, and this is the natural form of resurrection?

If this belief is true or accurate, then applying your logic to it, everybody is God.

Why are you missing the obvious? I said nothing about reincarnation. And it's not my "logic" but the scritpure's which comes from God. You also misapplied the ideas like a child would. Is it by our own power that we rise again? Or is it by the same power that Christ had and still has? Why are you missing the obvious?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Cloning isn't really consistent with the biblical timeline - unless you believe that a woman could bring a cloned egg to term and raise the resulting child to adulthood in three days...

 

[Strathos]

In observing the online chatter in various Christian forums over time, I have come to see that many claim the body of Jesus Christ did literally die and then ressurect back to life.

If this is literally a true or accurate claim, then do you think resurrection is a faith based conversation or a science based conversation?

It seems to me, if the claim is accurate, the conversation should shift from faith to science.

I am interested what people here might have to say...

I expect the scientific types will deny ressurection is possible, and the religious types will deny any scientific discussion about resurrection is possible...

I wonder why this is the case...

I believe it is true, and it's a matter of faith, as there is no physical evidence to examine.

 

[dqhall]

In observing the online chatter in various Christian forums over time, I have come to see that many claim the body of Jesus Christ did literally die and then ressurect back to life.

If this is literally a true or accurate claim, then do you think resurrection is a faith based conversation or a science based conversation?

It seems to me, if the claim is accurate, the conversation should shift from faith to science.

I am interested what people here might have to say...

I expect the scientific types will deny ressurection is possible, and the religious types will deny any scientific discussion about resurrection is possible...

I wonder why this is the case...

I have to accept Jesus was raised from the dead from historical documents. I also accept that Tiberius Caesar was emperor of Rome from historical documents. I do not believe mankind is the highest life form in existence. Can science explain how a bone heals itself after fracturing? Can a scientist create a fish from dust, air and water?

 

[MisterBlackEye]

So if someone cloned a person they would be a physical copy of the person they were cloned from. But what would their minds be like? Would they have the memories of the experiences of the one they were cloned from? What about their character and beliefs, would they be the same? Would they even speak the same language?

Jesus was exactly the same. with the same memories, the same language, etc. So at least in the case of the only authentic resurrection that I sure of, they are not the same thing.

I think you'd have to get the DNA from the skin or muscle tissues of a dead person and then implant them in utero to get the answer to your question.

So it seems a difference between resurrection and cloning, is cloning is done in utero, and it is unclear what kind of egg was used to resurrect Jesus Christ... But perhaps an egg big enough to hold a full grown man child...

 

[MisterBlackEye]

Why are you missing the obvious? I said nothing about reincarnation. And it's not my "logic" but the scritpure's which comes from God. You also misapplied the ideas like a child would. Is it by our own power that we rise again? Or is it by the same power that Christ had and still has? Why are you missing the obvious?

It is your logic which you have gathered from scriptures.

I believe in reincarnation, that it is the natural process of resurrection.

Do you not believe this?

Uh... I don't think anybody who is dead has the power to resurrect themself. But I think any good doctor with enough knowledge and tools has the power to resurrect anybody who is dead.

 

[MisterBlackEye]

Cloning isn't really consistent with the biblical timeline - unless you believe that a woman could bring a cloned egg to term and raise the resulting child to adulthood in three days...

Ha... I just tried to address this difference with Hank77...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Ha... I just tried to address this difference with Hank77...

I don't really see the point of invoking 'cloning', it's no more plausible than traditional resurrection; either way would require major miracles.

 

[Hank77]

I think you'd have to get the DNA from the skin or muscle tissues of a dead person and then implant them in utero to get the answer to your question.

So it seems a difference between resurrection and cloning, is cloning is done in utero, and it is unclear what kind of egg was used to resurrect Jesus Christ... But perhaps an egg big enough to hold a full grown man child...

I'm done here. Waste of time.

 

[MisterBlackEye]

I don't really see the point of invoking 'cloning', it's no more plausible than traditional resurrection; either way would require major miracles.

Didn't you hear?
The Prince of Tides star Barbara Steisand has gotten her dead dog cloned.

 

[MisterBlackEye]

I'm done here. Waste of time.

Maybe if you have disdain for the pursuit of knowledge, which seems pretty typical for both religious and science types alike.

 

[AV1611VET]

In observing the online chatter in various Christian forums over time, I have come to see that many claim the body of Jesus Christ did literally die and then ressurect back to life.

Your eyesight is good.

If this is literally a true or accurate claim, then do you think resurrection is a faith based conversation or a science based conversation?

Faith based conversation.

It seems to me, if the claim is accurate, the conversation should shift from faith to science.

Why? it happened so long ago all tracks have been erased.

All that's left are entries in God's diary which, as It says, is better than being there and witnessing it.

I am interested what people here might have to say...

Despite what you said in your first sentence?

Are you expecting us "chatterers" to say anything different?

I expect the scientific types will deny ressurection is possible,

So do I.

... and the religious types will deny any scientific discussion about resurrection is possible...

Yup.

I wonder why this is the case...

Because science is myopic.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nevermind.

 

[Anguspure]

In observing the online chatter in various Christian forums over time, I have come to see that many claim the body of Jesus Christ did literally die and then ressurect back to life.

If this is literally a true or accurate claim, then do you think resurrection is a faith based conversation or a science based conversation?

It seems to me, if the claim is accurate, the conversation should shift from faith to science.

I am interested what people here might have to say...

I expect the scientific types will deny ressurection is possible, and the religious types will deny any scientific discussion about resurrection is possible...

I wonder why this is the case...

The claim is that God (the Father) rose Jesus from the dead. Not that the body resurrected itself. The resurrection is not a natural event.
Rather the resurrection in this sense is an act akin to a creation event, or other similar intervention event by a person (such as baking a cake or catching a ball), and is not something that can be reasoned on the grounds of the observed laws of the universe.

 

[Shemjaza]

Well, for starters, how about this link to an article about how The Prince of Tides star, Barbara Streisand, cloned her beloved dead dog.

Copycat culture: is it wrong to clone a beloved dead pet?

Looks like this example requires the cloning sample (skin or muscle tissue containing DNA) to be inserted into an egg, and then that egg raised through natural processes, by impregnating another dog with it.

Not quite as impressive as the claim of Jesus Christ's exact body being resurrected in 3 days, but seems at least to be a similar process.

Cloning isn't the same as resurrection. Resurrection at least implies implies that there is continuity of identity (and even that might not be enough).

A clone in any kind of realistic scenario would just be an identical twin who's a very different age.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Didn't you hear?
The Prince of Tides star Barbara Steisand has gotten her dead dog cloned.

Yes, but it would have taken more than three days and she would have been given a puppy, not a full-grown dog; and, of course, despite being genetically identical, it was only similar, not the same dog.