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What do you think I think "the rules" that you mentioned are?What do you think the rules are?
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What do you think I think "the rules" that you mentioned are?What do you think the rules are?
Sort of a interesting question, depending upon how one approaches it, for it could be approached in this manner of Paul:Which priesthood existed in Abrahams day?
Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
The "law [and the prophets] was" what?How does your argument change the fact "the law was?"
Pray then Read Gal 3 "The inheritance" spoken of in this context is the adoption into God's family through the seed Jesus Christ.Bob Ryan said:Galatians 3
18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
What "inheritance"? -- Hebrews 11 - "New Jerusalem" heavenly Canaan.
Heb 11
9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
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13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
The Gospel/ The Covenant / The promise --
The law and the prophets is a reference to the OLD TESTAMENT. THE LAW is Genesis- Deuteronomy. (includes the law)The "law [and the prophets] was" what?
I asked first. I didn't ask for the dodge.What do you think I think "the rules" that you mentioned are?
So change the context. The verse says "was until John" meaning is no more.The "law [and the prophets] was" what?
Yep, they ignore what the scripture is saying about the law and the prophet being the preaching that was in place until John came preaching (the kingdom of God) and baptizing.How does your argument change the fact "the law was?"
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.Sort of a interesting question, depending upon how one approaches it, for it could be approached in this manner of Paul:
Hebrews 7:5 KJB - And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hebrews 7:10 KJB - For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
*Ahem*. I asked you first by what you meant when you said "the rules".I asked first. I didn't ask for the dodge.
How about this verse? The law prophesied....or the prophetic utterances given in Moses law....So change the context. The verse says "was until John" meaning is no more.
On a basic level, yes. We already know this and teach this. For instance:The law and the prophets is a reference to the OLD TESTAMENT. THE LAW is Genesis- Deuteronomy. (includes the law)
Already acknowledged, see above statement.... The text meant The preaching of the law and the prophets was until John, from that time the gospel of the kingdom is being preached. ...
What was Jesus, Paul, Peter, James and John quoting from, especially when they said, "It is written", "as it is written", "again", "in the Psalms", "written in the second psalm", "saying in David", "Moses... he wrote", "For it is written in the law of Moses", "Esaias", "Esaias also crieth concerning Israel", "by the mouth of the prophet", etc, etc.... SDA doctrine must deny the scripture saying the law is not preached anymore. ...
The Gospel, is Jesus Christ, to whom all "the law and the prophets" [yea, and in the psalms also] speak of. Notice:They believe that the law is part of the gospel.
Not sure I understood your point, please clarify. The Levites had no earthly inheritance, for the LORD was their inheritance....No inheritance with Israel seems no big deal in this light.
They had no earthly inheritance, as is the case with Abraham.Not sure I understood your point, please clarify. The Levites had no earthly inheritance, for the LORD was their inheritance.
SDA doctrine have no choice but to contradict what is written.What then does the expression mean? Simply this: The law and the prophets prophesied, or were preached, Luke, until John, but since then the kingdom of God is preached. That is, all that the people had, up to the time of John, was the law and the prophets, but since then they have had the preaching of the kingdom of God, in addition to the law and prophets. {April 26, 1864 JWe, ARSH 170.32} ..." - Advent Review and Sabbath Herald; April 26, 1864
Where did the Ten Commandments come out from?...Man shall live by every word that procedeth out of the mouth of God.
Ahem what are the rules? I don't care what you say they are. Do you really need the word "rules" defined? What did God change? You will say nothing.*Ahem*. I asked you first by what you meant when you said "the rules".
Galatians 3 - shows New Covenant Gospel is before Sinai
Matthew 11:13 has been considered by me. It's true. It's quite different from Luke 16:16.How about this verse? The law prophesied....or the prophetic utterances given in Moses law....
Mt 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
De 31:21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.
De 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
The above quote marries 2 passages. The Luke 16 passage says the law became in effective in relation to jurisdiction because a new thing was being preached. That doesn't mean the old regulation (the law) can't be quoted. We aren't talking about annihilation of the law as has been repeatedly implied. We fully acknowledge the law exists. It isn't applicable to the Christian as 1 Timothy 1:9 says.On a basic level, yes. We already know this and teach this. For instance:
"... 3. The expression, "The law and the prophets prophesied until John," does not teach that the law there ceased. Luke says, The law and the prophets were [were preached] until John; since that time the kingdom of God is preached, etc. Luke xvi, 16. But if this shows, as Eld. P. claims, that the law there ceased, it shows just as much that the prophets also ceased. It the law "there, in the time of John, deceased," the prophets then and there deceased also; and to be consistent he must abandon his teaching relative to the book of Daniel, and every other Old Testament prophet. {April 26, 1864 JWe, ARSH 170.31}
What then does the expression mean? Simply this: The law and the prophets prophesied, or were preached, Luke, until John, but since then the kingdom of God is preached. That is, all that the people had, up to the time of John, was the law and the prophets, but since then they have had the preaching of the kingdom of God, in addition to the law and prophets. {April 26, 1864 JWe, ARSH 170.32} ..." - Advent Review and Sabbath Herald; April 26, 1864
Already acknowledged, see above statement.
The evidence of the posts here at CF shows a group of people don't hear or believe Moses. It's also evidenced the same group of People don't believe and act on the quoted words of Jesus in the Gospels.What was Jesus, Paul, Peter, James and John quoting from, especially when they said, "It is written", "as it is written", "again", "in the Psalms", "written in the second psalm", "saying in David", "Moses... he wrote", "For it is written in the law of Moses", "Esaias", "Esaias also crieth concerning Israel", "by the mouth of the prophet", etc, etc.
Luke 4:17 KJB - And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 24:44 KJB - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Matthew 26:56 KJB - But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Acts 13:40 KJB - Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Acts 15:15 KJB - And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
2 Peter 3:2 KJB - That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
etc, etc.
The Gospel, is Jesus Christ, to whom all "the law and the prophets" [yea, and in the psalms also] speak of. Notice:
Matthew 17:5 KJB - While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Who inspired Moses and Elijah [the prophets]? Whose word then was it? Again, listen to Jesus:
Luke 16:29 KJB - Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.Notice Paul:
Luke 16:31 KJB - And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Acts 24:14 KJB - But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Where did Jeremiah get his words from in chapter 31? Are the words found in Luke 22:20 not the words of God?Where did the Ten Commandments come out from?