GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

[LoveGodsWord]

How many times do you need to be told this is not true with discussion of those passages? I have discussed each of them in posts with your name on them.

Sorry BK just saying God's WORD is not true does not make the scriptures disappear.

LGW posted; You may also wish to read; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 9:6-8; ROMANS 2:28-29; COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13; EZEKIEL 36:26-27 all of which disagree with your teachings.

Ditto the above except Ez 36. Not one of your passages from the NT say anything about becoming Israel or a Jew obligating us to the law.

Ditto sorry BK your only providing your words over God's WORD which disagrees with your teaching.

You missed a few verses talking about the sabbath while some of your references above do not refer to it. Not a single on of them require the sabbath to be kept.

Well that is not true BK why is Jesus and the apostles talking about the Sabbath and keeping it if there is no longer any requirement to do so? Where does it say in all of God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

I do not thiWhen it come to the law and Christianity I do not believe you understand the subject and other laws. Rom 7 comes to mind. I do not think you understand this one either. You most definitely ignore this one. I am not the only to point this out to you. Yet you harp on it all the time.You or me? nk you have any concept what this commandment really means even after referencing Mat 5.

God knows, we are not to judge each other. You words and accusations are your own and between you and God. Did you have any scriptures to share?
We may have to agree to disagree and remain friend. Your only repeating your self here.

Thanks for shaing though.

 

[The7thColporteur]

My head ...

Here was the question [in regards Revelation 14:6-7 KJB] addressed to that head:

My question to you [and all] then is, what "judgment" is this that "is come", while the "everlasting gospel" is going forward into all "the earth", and what is the standard of this "judgment", by which such are being judged, and who are being judged therein?

 

[listed]

Now listed, where have I ever refused to discuss anything and share God's WORD with you? Where have I ever presented anything contrary to my belief? Please post the links. I am happy to discuss the topic of the OP. Do you have any scriptures to share?

Every where you disagree.
I would love to see you discuss the word "new" and Jereamiah 31:32 as has been requested by buggy. How about John 5:24 or chapter 10.

Oh yes you post volumes of Scripture mostly without comment. If you haven't those before you have shown exactly what your church believes by those verses. You think it's smart to condemn Christians for not following a retired, revoked and replaced set of rules.

 

[listed]

Now Bob, that is not true.

I have responded to your posts politely with God's WORD showing the errors of your interpretation of the scriptures that God's LAW (10 commandments) are abolished. You have chosen to ignore the scriptures and questions provided in the posts sent to you. This is your decision to do so. We do indeed disagree on your interpretation of the scriptures but in disgreement I have always been courteous to you providing scripture as the reason for disagreement.

The posts I provide you are God's WORD not mine. As I said earlier you are free to believe as you wish. I do not judge you. Your salvation is between you and God. It does not effect me. We all answer to God alone come judgement day.

Although if the standard of the judgement is the 10 Commandments as God's WORD teaches (James 2:8-12) and over sin (Romans 3:20; 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11). Your teaching will not hold much water at the 2nd coming.

I believe God's Spirit is calling us all Bob back to his WORD and Jesus is knocking at the door of our hearts calling us back to him because the time is short. We can choose to open the door of the heart and let him in or close the door and lock him out. Our motto should always be....

Let God be true and every man a liar as it is written That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged (Romans 3:4).

Jesus tells the water what to do. The law only responds to the water. We've opened the door to the knock of Jesus and invited Him in. We've been delivered from fear by pure love granting sweet peace for our soul.

 

[listed]

If you are not a part of God's Israel you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise. Gentiles are now grafted in (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 11:16-28)

You can't show with any of those passages Christians become Israel. Why do you reference Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:10-12 and not include verse 9?

You may also wish to read; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 9:6-8; ROMANS 2:28-29;
COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13; EZEKIEL 36:26-27 all of which disagree with your teachings.

Have done so and discussed all but the Ezekiel reference. None of them say the Christian becomes Israel.

GOD'S LAW REPEATED IN THE NEW COVENANT..

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

Which reference says Christians are to keep the sabbath?

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

It seems you cry about context, yet never say anything about verses Ephesians 6:4-6.

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

You don't understand this commandment even in light of OT passages.

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

Have you had the pleasure of reading John 10?

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

Oh my I think you have a problem here.

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

 

[listed]

Sorry BK just saying God's WORD is not true does not make the scriptures disappear.

Ditto sorry BK your only providing your words over God's WORD which disagrees with your teaching.

Well that is not true BK why is Jesus and the apostles talking about the Sabbath and keeping it if there is no longer any requirement to do so? Where does it say in all of God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

God knows, we are not to judge each other. You words and accusations are your own and between you and God. Did you have any scriptures to share?
We may have to agree to disagree and remain friend. Your only repeating your self here.

Thanks for shaing though.

One of the problems for me growing up in church was and still is the negative slant and emphasis.

 

[listed]

Here was the question [in regards Revelation 14:6-7 KJB] addressed to that head:

My question to you [and all] then is, what "judgment" is this that "is come", while the "everlasting gospel" is going forward into all "the earth", and what is the standard of this "judgment", by which such are being judged, and who are being judged therein?

Only the guilty are judged.

 

[Bob S]

The real fact is that the old covenant was not a covenant about salvation. EX19:5-6 Anyone who tries to entice others believe the ritual laws, and of course that includes the ritual weekly Sabbath, does not understand why God gave Israel all the laws He did. There is no way that the weekly Sabbath could morph into a salvational issue. God never meant it to be. Salvation comes just like it did for Abraham. All who believe and are faithful to God (Jesus) do not even come under judgement according to Jesus our Savior's own words. Jn5: 24.

Speaking of judgement, the doctrine of the investigative judgement is one of the saddest beliefs that has ever been concocted. SDAs cannot be sure of their salvation because of it. They have no idea if their names have already come up in the judgement and have fallen short of the laws they deem to be salvational. Most SDAs do not even like to talk about the concocted idea. Most don't even understand how Wm. Miller pieced together such a piece of junk from different places in scripture. He couldn't even add the dates that was supposed to tell him when Jesus was coming. He first figured earlier dates and then after it didn't happen he conveniently found more stuff and settled on a cold night in October 1844. If you have not read the historical facts of the incident you will find it a good read on how one person can mislead thousands of well grounded people into believing false theories. Some even became insane. They had not harvested their crops and they gave away their possessions and had no place to return. Hiram Edson, one of the downtrodden previously faithful took Miller's junk theories and made up a story that Jesus, on Oct 22, 1844, left where He was and entered into some room to start counting heads. He, according to SDA belief, is still there counting and blotting out names. It amounted to a saving face ploy. The fact is that scripture warns us not to try to fix a date of Jesus return. Miller was wrong even to try. Yet today SDAs, after the new convert gets settled in, will present the false doctrine as truth. We know where Jesus is because the Bible tells us. Believe the Bible or Hiram Edson and the SDAs. Choose wisely.

 

[Bob S]

SDAs tell the rest of the World that they alone have all the present truth. They claim to be the remnant of the early church. The claim is that that they are the only ones that keep the 10 commandments and have the testimony of Jesus. The testimony is supposedly their prophet, Ellen White's writings. All others just claim to be Christians and the prophet refers to us as being Babylon. "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven, and I heard voices which seemed to sound everywhere, “Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.” This message seemed to be an addition to the third message, joining it as the midnight cry joined the second angel’s message in 1844. The glory of God rested upon the patient, waiting saints, and they fearlessly gave the last solemn warning, proclaiming the fall of Babylon and calling upon God’s people to come out of her that they might escape her fearful doom." {EW 277.2}
Their trust is in the writings of Ellen White. She concocted up how the end will be for them and how to try to escape. Suspicion is an everlasting dirge on the souls of the "true" remnant.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

SDAs tell the rest of the World that they alone have all the present truth. They claim to be the remnant of the early church. The claim is that that they are the only ones that keep the 10 commandments and have the testimony of Jesus. The testimony is supposedly their prophet, Ellen White. All others just claim to be Christians and the prophet refers to all others as being Babylon. "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven, and I heard voices which seemed to sound everywhere, “Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.” This message seemed to be an addition to the third message, joining it as the midnight cry joined the second angel’s message in 1844. The glory of God rested upon the patient, waiting saints, and they fearlessly gave the last solemn warning, proclaiming the fall of Babylon and calling upon God’s people to come out of her that they might escape her fearful doom." {EW 277.2}
Their trust is in the writings of Ellen White. She concocted up how the end will be for them and how to try to escape. Suspicion is an everlasting dirge on the souls of the "true" remnant.

No need to be confused here Bob. What does God's WORD say? Who are God's people according to the scriptures?

God has his people in ALL the CHURCHES who are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE God has given them. This is why the scriptures say...

JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

and again...

ACTS 17:30-31 [30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent:[31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

God is calling his people in ALL CHURCHES to stop following man made traditions that break the commandments of God and to worship him in SPIRIT and in truth (John 4:23-24)

In times of ignorance, when someone does not know any better God winks at, but when a knowledge of the truth is come, calls all men everywhere to repent and follow his Word.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

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HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

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DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The real fact is that the old covenant was not a covenant about salvation.

Goodness Bob, that has no truth in it whatsoever. So in your view everyone living in the OLD COVENANT time is lost? This is what I mean when I have said earlier if you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is?

God's people in the OLD COVENANT times were saved in the exact same way that we are saved in the NEW COVENANT and that is by FAITH. * Read HEBREWS 11. The only differnce is that they looked forward to the coming of Jesus through the MOSAIC laws for remission of SIN while we look back to the promised coming of Jesus.

Anyone who tries to entice others believe the ritual laws, and of course that includes the ritual weekly Sabbath, does not understand why God gave Israel all the laws He did.

God's 10 Commandments are not ritual laws Bob. Your mixing up the MOSAIC shadow laws in ORDINANCES that pointed to Jesus and God's Plan of salvation with God's LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is (Romans 3:20)
MORE SCRIPTURE linked CLICK ME.

There is no way that the weekly Sabbath could morph into a salvational issue. God never meant it to be. Salvation comes just like it did for Abraham. All who believe and are faithful to God (Jesus) do not even come under judgement according to Jesus our Savior's own words.

Salvation is by GRACE through faith and not of works it is a gift of God' lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8). If anyone CONTINUES in a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN it is a salvational issue because those who CONTINUE in SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son and the wages of SIN is death (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27)

is one of the saddest beliefs that has ever been concocted. SDAs cannot be sure of their salvation because of it. They have no idea if their names have already come up in the judgement and have fallen short of the laws they deem to be salvational.

None of that is true at all Bob. Do you have any scripture to share or should we believe your words over God's WORD?

Most don't even understand how Wm. Miller pieced together such a piece of junk from different places in scripture. He couldn't even add the dates that was supposed to tell him when Jesus was coming. He first figured earlier dates and then after it didn't happen he conveniently found more stuff and settled on a cold night in October 1844. If you have not read the historical facts of the incident you will find it a good read on how one person can mislead thousands of well grounded people into believing false theories. Most SDAs do not even like to talk about the concocted idea.

There is a thread about it stated here. Do you have any scripture to share?

Hiram Edson, one of the downtrodden previously faithful took Miller's junk theories and made up a story that Jesus, on Oct 22, 1844, left where He was and entered into some room to start counting heads. He, according to SDA belief, is still there counting and blotting out names. It amounted to a saving face ploy. The fact is that scripture warns us not to try to fix a date of Jesus return. Miller was wrong even to try. Yet today SDAs, after the new convert gets settled in, will present the false doctrine as truth. We know where Jesus is because the Bible tells us. Believe the Bible or Hiram Edson and the SDAs. Choose wisely.

Sorry Bob, God's WORD disagrees with you (linked CLICK ME).

Did you have any scripture to share? There is indeed a judgement in heaven and all of us will be judged come judgement day. Your post is only a distraction away from the judgement described in God's WORD that shows all of us will be judged according to the great standard of God's LAW. None will enter God's KINGDOM who choose to live a life of KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN. ALL need to repent for their SINS before Jesus returns.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You can't show with any of those passages Christians become Israel.

If you are not a part of God's Israel you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise. Gentiles are now grafted in (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 11:16-28)You may also wish to read; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 9:6-8; ROMANS 2:28-29; COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13; EZEKIEL 36:26-27 all of which disagree with your teachings.

God's Sheep hear his voice. You are free to believe as you wish. God's WORD will be the judge come judgement day * JOHN 12:47-48.

Which reference says Christians are to keep the sabbath?

Exodus 20:8-11 is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments. Christians are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Did the 4th Commandment come out of the mouth of God (Exodus 20:1-17; Matthew 4:4)?

1 PETER 1:25, BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER " And this is the word which was preached to you.

ISAIAH 40:8, The grass withers, the flower fades, But THE WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER.

MATTHEW 24:35, Heaven and earth will pass away, but MY WORDS WILL NOT PASS AWAY.

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Sorry listed seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Now listed, where have I ever refused to discuss anything and share God's WORD with you? Where have I ever presented anything contrary to my belief? Please post the links. I am happy to discuss the topic of the OP. Do you have any scriptures to share?

Every where you disagree. I would love to see you discuss the word "new" and Jereamiah 31:32 as has been requested by buggy. How about John 5:24 or chapter 10.

I do not have any problems with any of those scriptures. I think you guys do don't you though? Firstly if someone does not understand what the OLD COVENANT is how can they understand what the NEW COVENANT is? Jeremiah 31:31-34 I have quoted much along with Hebrews 8. Your application here is that the OLD Covenant is only the 10 Commandments. Yet these by themselves do not make up the OLD COVENANT. The OLD COVENANT includes both the 10 Commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. You mix up your SHADOW laws with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and are the very standard of the OLD and NEW COVENANTS and the judgement to come. The shadows are fulfilled in Christ and point to God's plan of salvation for fallen man, while God's 10 Commandments are his expression of LOVE to God and man and are forever and give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin and righteousness * Good and Evil.

Then you try and argue that God's 4th Commandment and the 10 Commandments are only for Israel. Yet the NEW COVENANT PROMISE Jeremiah 31:31-34 are to ISRAEL and Gentiles are now grafted in (Romans 11:16-27). These is where your problems lie. Firstly in not understanding what the OLD COVENANT is so you misinterpret what the NEW COVENANT is and secondly not understanding who the NEW COVENANT promise is for and who God's ISRAEL are. If you are not a part of God's ISREAL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promises.

Oh yes you post volumes of Scripture mostly without comment. If you haven't those before you have shown exactly what your church believes by those verses. You think it's smart to condemn Christians for not following a retired, revoked and replaced set of rules.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. These are God's WORD not mine. I do not judge you. If you feel convicted by God's WORD then harden not your heart as it is God's Spirit blessing you and calling you to worship God in Spirit and in truth.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[The7thColporteur]

Only the guilty are judged.

Ecclesiastes 3:17 KJB - I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

And this text?

 

[The7thColporteur]

...The testimony is supposedly their prophet, Ellen White. ...

No. She is not "the testimony". That is confusion of the person with that which is of, comes from, Jesus.

And this makes me reconsider that you were ever a prayerfully studied Seventh-day Adventist.

The “Spirit of Prophecy” never only referred directly to sister White, and it didn't come from her, but rather it is the testimony of Jesus. It is a false claim to say that Seventh-day Adventists or sister White, we ever taught such a thing as that sister White is "the testimony".

Seriously, go actually read any of the Conflict of the Ages books, like Patriarchs and Prophets, Acts of the Apostles, and others, etc, for instance [in the mouth of several witnesses, non-exhaustive]:

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“... Silas, Paul's companion in labor, was a tried worker, gifted with the spirit of prophecy; but the work to be done was so great that there was need of training more laborers for active service. In Timothy Paul saw one who appreciated the sacredness of the work of a minister; who was not appalled at the prospect of suffering and persecution; and who was willing to be taught. Yet the apostle did not venture to take the responsibility of giving Timothy, an untried youth, a training in the gospel ministry, without first fully satisfying himself in regard to his character and his past life. {AA 203.1} ...”​

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“... The spirit of prophecy was upon this man of God [Simeon], and while Joseph and Mary stood by, wondering at his words, he blessed them, and said unto Mary, "Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; (yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed." {DG 75.3}

Anna also, a prophetess, came in and confirmed Simeon's testimony concerning Christ. As Simeon spoke, her face lighted up with the glory of God, and she poured out her heartfelt thanks that she had been permitted to behold Christ the Lord.--DA 55 (1898).{DG 75.4} ...”​

[03]

“... The Lord opened more fully to Enoch the plan of salvation, and by the Spirit of prophecy carried him down through the generations which should live after the Flood, and showed him the great events connected with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world (Jude 14). {LHU 350.3} ...”​

[04]

“... Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7 {ML 40.1}

Before the entrance of sin, Adam enjoyed open communion with his Maker; but since man separated himself from God by transgression, the human race has been cut off from this high privilege. By the plan of redemption, however, a way has been opened whereby the inhabitants of the earth may still have connection with heaven. God has communicated with men by His Spirit, and divine light has been imparted to the world by revelations to His chosen servants. "Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21. . . . {ML 40.2}

The Infinite One by His Holy Spirit has shed light into the minds and hearts of His servants. He has given dreams and visions, symbols and figures; and those to whom the truth was thus revealed, have themselves embodied the thought in human language. {ML 40.3}

"Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets." Amos 3:7. {ML 40.4}

In His providence the Lord has seen fit to teach and warn His people in various ways. By direct command, by the sacred writings, and by the spirit of prophecy has He made known unto them His will. {ML 40.5}

In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the Testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue. {ML 40.6}

Of special value to God's church on earth today--the keepers of His vineyard--are the messages of counsel and admonition given through the prophets who have made plain His eternal purpose in behalf of mankind. In the teachings of the prophets His love for the lost race and His plan for their salvation are clearly revealed. ...”​

[05]

“... The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10 {ML 41.1}

God has been pleased to communicate His truth to the world by human agencies, and He Himself, by His Holy Spirit, qualified men and enabled them to do this work. He guided the mind in the selection of what to speak and what to write. The treasure was entrusted to earthen vessels, yet it is, nonetheless, from Heaven. The testimony is conveyed through the imperfect expression of human language, yet it is the testimony of God; and the obedient, believing child of God beholds in it the glory of a divine power, full of grace and truth. {ML 41.2}

In His Word God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. . . . {ML 41.3}

As presented through different individuals, the truth is brought out in its varied aspects. One writer is more strongly impressed with one phase of the subject; he grasps those points that harmonize with his experience or with his power of perception and appreciation; another seizes upon a different phase; and each, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, presents what is most forcibly impressed upon his own mind--a different aspect of the truth in each, but a perfect harmony through all. And the truths thus revealed unite to form a perfect whole, adapted to meet the wants of men in all the circumstances and experiences of life. . . . {ML 41.4}

Yet the fact that God has revealed His will to men through His Word has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the Word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings. And since it was the Spirit of God that inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Spirit should ever be contrary to that of the Word. ...”​

[06]

“... Through holy angels God revealed to Enoch His purpose to destroy the world by a flood, and He also opened more fully to him the plan of redemption. By the spirit of prophecy He carried him down through the generations that should live after the Flood, and showed him the great events connected with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world. {PP 85.5} ...”​

[07]

“... It was Christ that spoke to His people through the prophets. The apostle Peter, writing to the Christian church, says that the [367] prophets "prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow." 1 Peter 1:10, 11. It is the voice of Christ that speaks to us through the Old Testament. "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Revelation 19:10. {PP 366.3} ...”​

… and so on.

 

[Bob S]

This just appeared from the one who tells me I am a liar. It is done by telling me my thoughts from scripture are not true. Antonym for true is lie. "Not true" is such a nice way of telling others that they are lying.

Exodus 20:8-11 is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments. Christians are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Did the 4th Commandment come out of the mouth of God (Exodus 20:1-17; Matthew 4:4)?

When asked about living by the commands of the book of the law the writer crawfishes on the subject. The above statement is telling us, by quoting Matt4:4, that we are to live by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Do SDAs practise what is preached? Which is "every word", the 10, the 10 plus the book of the law, Jesus law of love or God's words to Noah.
God’s covenant with Noah
9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, ‘Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
By quoting Matt4:4 the writer was trying to make it refer to the 10. Is that what Jesus was referring to? Remember Jesus was under ALL of God's words to Israel. On the other hand gentiles like Noah, Abraham and all of us who are not Jews are allowed to eat what we deem fit, no restrictions. That has to be a conundrum for SDA who teach every word..... Let us see now, God said there in Genesis we are aloud to eat anything. Did He change His mind? Woops! God does not change. Yes, that is certainly a conundrum for those who pound away at the Sinai covenant law, er I mean the 10. Could it really be that God gave Israel all those laws for a special reason and they were all meant just for them. God did tell Moses that the covenant was to make them a Holy nation. There was not one word in the covenant about it being for their salvation.


Well, looking at Jesus words in Matt4:4 we have to conclude Jesus was referring to the 613 commands given only to Israel. Those were ALL the words of the covenant. Jews were to live by all of God's words to them. Gentiles didn't have ALL the words given to Israel nor do we now. Meat laws and Sabbath laws are two that SDAs pick out of the now defunct covenant, given only to Israel. They tell us we have to abide by them in order to keep from being in perpetual sin.

As you can plainly see though, SDAs do not practice what they preach. If they teach Christians are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God then let's see if they start wearing the four tassels on their garments, observe the feast days and practice on keeping the new moon which they like to quote they will be doing in Heaven. They because us perpetual sinners surely will not be there according to them.

 

[Bob S]

No. She is not "the testimony". That is confusion of the person with that which is of, comes from, Jesus.
And this makes me reconsider that you were ever a prayerfully studied Seventh-day Adventist.

The “Spirit of Prophecy” never only referred directly to sister White, and it didn't come from her, but rather it is the testimony of Jesus. It is a false claim to say that Seventh-day Adventists or sister White, we ever taught such a thing as that sister White is "the testimony".

Does the Seventh-day Adventist Church believe the so-called testimonies and writings of Mrs. E. G. White to be revelations from God? {3BIO 484.4}
We believe these writings are a manifestation of the Spirit of prophecy; and just as much as anything that comes from God’s Spirit would be a “revelation from God,” just so much these are a revelation from God.—Ibid. {3BIO 484.5}
Bringing his address to a close, he summed up his presentation in twelve numbered points, the last of which drove the matter home: {3BIO 484.6}
What is received through this gift should be accepted, cherished, and obeyed, if we would be prepared for a greater diversity in the operations of the Spirit, in the restoration of all the gifts, and for the larger outpouring of the Spirit upon the church, when it receives the refreshing (Acts 3:19-21), the early and the latter rain (James 5:7, 8), as it comes to the close of its experience and its work in this world, not far hence.—The General Conference Bulletin, 153. {3BIO 484.7}
For two years Smith’s influence had been negative; for two years he had said little about the Spirit of Prophecy as manifested in the life and work of Ellen White. But a few weeks before preaching this sermon, he had “fallen on the Rock,” as Ellen White put it. Now everyone saw where he stood, and it brought strength and confidence to the people. {3BIO 484.8}

“As the Lord has manifested himself through the Spirit of prophecy, past, present, and future have passed before me. I have been shown faces that I had never seen, and years afterward I knew them when I saw them. I have been aroused from my sleep with a vivid sense of subjects previously presented to my mind; and I have written, at midnight, letters that have gone across the continent, and, arriving at a crisis, have saved great disaster to the cause of God. This has been my work for many years. A power has impelled me to reprove and rebuke wrongs that I had not thought of. Is this work ... from above, or from beneath? ... Those who really desire to know the truth will find sufficient evidence for belief.”—Testimonies for the Church 5:671, 672.

CHRISTIAN SERVICE
Preface
The desire to place in the hands of all Christian workers, instruction bearing specifically upon the need, importance, methods, and reward of earnest, consecrated missionary endeavor, has led to a comprehensive survey of the field of inspired literature, and resulted in bringing together, in convenient form, the quotations comprising this volume, which may appropriately be termed an Encyclopedia of Christian Service. {ChS 3.1}
It is by no means claimed that the following pages furnish an exhaustive compilation from the writings of the Spirit of prophecy on the broad subject of Christian service, but merely that they afford a safe path into the rich and extensive mines of research, wherein the Christian worker may go deeper into the vein of truth regarding the science of soul winning.{ChS 3.2}
In culling from the various sources of information, conscientious care has been exercised to preserve the proper setting of the thought expressed by the author. It is hoped that the selections will be found invaluable to ministers and leaders in all lines of church work, and will be appreciated by all men and women whose hearts have been touched by the spirit of the Great Missionary, and who have “understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do.” {ChS 3.3}

The first portion of his address served the purpose of a biographical sketch, and also formed a basis for the main line of thought running throughout; namely, that in very truth God has been bestowing upon the remnant church the precious gift of the spirit of prophecy. {LS 467.3}
Regarding Mrs. White’s call early in life to special ministry for God, and the fruits that have characterized this ministry, Elder Daniells said: {LS 468.1}

It was Ellen White who claimed she received what she wrote in her books from God.

Ellen White is regarded as the prophet of the SDA church and she is, according to the hierarchy, the spirit of prophecy. Her prophecies are recorded in her "Spirit of Prophecy" books and her volumes of the "Testimonies".

I really do not believe you have a leg to stand on in denying that Ellen was/is regarded as being the spirit of prophecy for the SDA church. She prophesied and she claimed her guide was the special angel and the Holy Spirit.

 

[The7thColporteur]

...I really do not believe you have a leg to stand on in denying that Ellen was/is regarded as being the spirit of prophecy for the SDA church....

The quotations you provided proved my point. Thank you. She is not "the spirit of prophecy", and she herself is not "the testimony", but "manifested" the "spirit of prophecy", in other words, she had the gift [provided by the Holy Ghost], and received "testimony" from Jesus, for the edifcation/correction of the church.

 

[tall73]

You argue we will be going to the judgment when Jesus says we already passed - Jn 5:24. Now who should we believe?

On this point I think there may be more to the picture.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. KJV

24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. ESV

The word judgment can also be translated as "condemnation", as we see in the KJV.

This seems to make sense of all the verses. For instance, Paul writes:

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

He includes himself, as he says "we" must appear.

We are not condemned, as we have crossed from death to life. But we do apparently appear.

A similar text:
Romans 14:10 For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written:
“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

This also fits the sheep and goats.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

 

[listed]

Goodness Bob, that has no truth in it whatsoever. So in your view everyone living in the OLD COVENANT time is lost? This is what I mean when I have said earlier if you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is?

Salvation only became effective upon the physical death of Jesus for the saint. To imply the saints prior to Jesus were not saved is error. The fact is they were not redeemed during their physical life.