To Be Kept In Eternity

[LoveGodsWord]

It is alright. The internet is prone to such things. Here we are all trying to make sure we are following God. But we do not agree, so at least one must be wrong. If you go back and look I argued for the very positions you hold for years on these forums. So I understand wanting to share your convinced understanding.

It has been a long road trying to figure things out. I was an Adventist minister for a decade, and did not want to leave at all. I loved the people, loved the work, and loved the Adventist church as well.

But I could not stay and collect a check and call myself an Adventist if I did not accept all the fundamental beliefs. I do want to follow Christ. Though even in the things I do know for sure I still stumble, and am learning to walk in His Spirit.

For me I am similar to you in some ways. I only study God's WORD for myself. I think the key thing is that we have to come to God's WORD not as teachers but as Children to our Hevenly Father asking that he will be our teacher. If we have faith in God's promises then he promises to guide us into all truth and show us things to come. This is where our trust and faith must lie because as you know already I am sure God will make of nothing the wisdom of the wise and spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well of course I agree we do not keep the new moon at this time. Though if someone wanted to, I would see no harm in it, as long as they recognize that it is fulfilled in Christ.

As to whether we do later, that I am not sure. Certainly the monthly fruit of the tree of life is there. If it has some connection to the new moon, I wish it were better spelled out.

Yes I agree, I have nothing against anyone wanting to keep the New moon and annual festivals. Especially if it helps to bring them closer to Jesus and even more so if they understand were the feasts were pointing.

 

[tall73]

For me I am similar to you in some ways. I only study God's WORD for myself. I think the key thing is that we have to come to God's WORD not as teachers but as Children to our Hevenly Father asking that he will be our teacher. If we have faith in God's promises then he promises to guide us into all truth and show us things to come.

I agree. My main reason for leaving initially was the Sanctuary doctrine. I studied the levitical types for years, met with the seminary folks, discussed with various Adventists, etc. It was not a fun process in that it shook up my whole life, but I learned a ton by studying the Sanctuary more and more, and was blessed by the process of trying to understand what God had to say.

It is late here, so have a good night, and God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well of course I agree we do not keep the new moon at this time. Though if someone wanted to, I would see no harm in it, as long as they recognize that it is fulfilled in Christ.

As to whether we do later, that I am not sure. Certainly the monthly fruit of the tree of life is there. If it has some connection to the new moon, I wish it were better spelled out.

Well as I said ealier not sure if we understand everything but if we seek Jesus every day and continue in his Word he promises we will be his disciples and we will know the truth and the truth will set us free (John 8:31-36)

Well I really enjoyed having a chat to you tall. Thanks for sharing where your at. It has helped me a lot and once again my apologies for my assumptions. I thank God and hope you consider me as a friend to you here in the forum.

My time now is dinner so will have to sign off for a little. Now that I know you better it is like I have met you for the first time and hope you will consider me as a friend.

Chat latter mate, dinner time down under.

 

[HIM]

Why do you think Adventists are not doing much with the new moon?
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New moon is only mention in reference to the monthly cycle in this circumstance. It is being used in reference to time not the festivals.
Month to month; Sabbath to Sabbath all flesh shall come to worship at the face of me says; GOD.

 

[The7thColporteur]

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

God's children are called priests, so of what order are we? Surely not the Melchesidek as Christ is of that order. Could it be that we are considered part of the Levitical priesthood?

As far as the children dying at 100 and people living as a tree, they seem symbolic to me. A tree's life is multi generational and considered a to be more than a mans earthly life is... which is what eternity will be.

As I don't discern a better understanding, I will keep with symbolism for those passages. If they're are to be taken literally and pertaining to Israel's restoration, a mans life is not as long as a tree and both sinners and saints die at 100. I see no earthly, pre-eternity application here.

 

[tall73]

Well I really enjoyed having a chat to you tall. Thanks for sharing where your at. It has helped me a lot and once again my apologies for my assumptions. I thank God and hope you consider me as a friend to you here in the forum.

My time now is dinner so will have to sign off for a little. Now that I know you better it is like I have met you for the first time and hope you will consider me as a friend.

Chat latter mate, dinner time down under.

I enjoyed the conversation as well. I am over in the states so we definitely have different schedules, and I wound up staying up a bit late! But hopefully we can have further conversations.

God bless

 

[tall73]

God's children are called priests, so of what order are we? Surely not the Melchesidek as Christ is of that order. Could it be that we are considered part of the Levitical priesthood?

If so, why some priests and some Levites? Per Hebrews 10 we would all have access as priests, and it compares Christ's cleansing of us to the anointing service of the priests. And as was quoted earlier from Peter we are a nation of priests.

A tree's life is multi generational and considered a to be more than a mans earthly life is... which is what eternity will be.

As I don't discern a better understanding, I will keep with symbolism for those passages. If they're are to be taken literally and pertaining to Israel's restoration, a mans life is not as long as a tree and both sinners and saints die at 100. I see no earthly, pre-eternity application here.

It is certainly a difficult passage either way.

The sinner was accursed because he did not live as long as the saints normally would. They would live the equivalent of multiple generations, as a tree, and he would only live 100.

And the child who would die in only days, instead lives 100 years. Definitely either way it is hyperbole. But the description was of complete restoration after complete destruction.

The judging of the nations did not result in the earth literally being destroyed either. But that language is used in direct connection of judgment on Babylon, Assyria, etc.

Certainly God did bless them when they were faithful to the covenant, the most notable time being during Solomon's reign, until he turned his heart to idols. This was fulfilling the blessings and curses under the covenant.

Either way death is not part of heaven either, and sinners would not live at all, let alone to 100 in the New Jerusalem. So it appears that it is stressing the blessings that would come after the restoration in extreme terms, but not literally fulfilled.

But they were not faithful to the covenant completely after the restoration. And John takes up that language in a more complete way, with no death at all. They are fulfilled in a better way.

 

[tall73]

New moon is only mention in reference to the monthly cycle in this circumstance. It is being used in reference to time not the festivals.
Month to month; Sabbath to Sabbath all flesh shall come to worship at the face of me says; GOD.

Well yes and no, it was an assembly as well. Either way for Adventists that doesn't answer the question if Ellen White references the new moon in particular, not just the time monthly aspect.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Well yes and no, it was an assembly as well. Either way for Adventists that doesn't answer the question if Ellen White references the new moon in particular, not just the time monthly aspect.

I don't see her use of the Biblically translated term to be necessarily at odds with James' rendering of months. Kind of the same as the "everlasting vs ages" translation difference.

 

[HIM]

God's children are called priests, so of what order are we? Surely not the Melchesidek as Christ is of that order. Could it be that we are considered part of the Levitical priesthood?

Are we not all one in Christ Jesus. The Body of Christ the Temple of GOD.

 

[HIM]

Either way for Adventists that doesn't answer the question if Ellen White references the new moon in particular, not just the time monthly aspect.

I don't know about all that. But I do know that more often than not the Hebrew word translated New Moon in Isaiah 66 is understood to be just month.

Do you have a reference in regards to Ellen's usage?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Are we not all one in Christ Jesus. The Body of Christ the Temple of GOD.

Of course... I was only wondering of what order of priests we are.... after the order of Jesus who is after the order of Melchezidek? As we don't know diddly about who or what Melchezidek was or represented, I guess it's a moot point.

 

[tall73]

I don't know about all that. But I do know that more often than not the Hebrew word translated New Moon in Isaiah 66 is understood to be just month.

Do you have a reference in regards to Ellen's usage?

The one we were referencing was the last paragraph in the OP.


Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional

There they will assemble in the sanctuary from Sabbath to Sabbath, from one new moon to another, to unite in loftiest strains of song, in praise and thanksgiving to Him who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb forever and ever.

 

[The7thColporteur]

I don't see her use of the Biblically translated term to be necessarily at odds with James' rendering of months. Kind of the same as the "everlasting vs ages" translation difference.

Indeed, as cited there is no difference at all, even as shown on the original listing of the words:

...Passages on Moon, Moons, New Moon, Month, Months, as needful:

[1] Moon or New Moon: Genesis 37:9; Deuteronomy 4:19, 7:13, 33:14; Joshua 10:12,13; 1 Samuel 20:5,18,24; 2 Kings 4:23, 23:5; Job 25:5, 31:25; Psalms 8:3, 72:5,7, 81:3, 89:37, 104:19, 121:6, 136:9, 148:3; Ecclesiastes 12:2; Song of Songs [Solomon] 6:10; Isaiah 3:18, 13:10, 24:23, 30:26, 60:19,20, 66:23; Jeremiah 8:2, 31:35; Ezekiel 32:7, 46:1,6; Joel 2:10,31, 3:15; Amos 8:5; Habakkuk 3:11; Matthew 24:29; Mark 13:24; Luke 21:25; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 15:41; Colossians 2:16; Revelation 6:12, 8:12, 12:1, 21:23 KJB

[2] Moons or New Moons: 1 Chronicles 23:21; 2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Ezra 3:5; Nehemiah 10:33; Isaiah 1;13,14; Ezekiel 45:17, 46:3; Hosea 2:11 KJB

[3] Month: Genesis 7:11, 8:4,5,13,14, 29:14; Exodus 12:2,3,6,18, 13:4,5, 16:1, 19:1, 23:15, 34:18, 40:2,17; Leviticus 16:29, 23:5,6,24,27,32,34,39,41, 25:9, 27:6; Numbers 1:1,18, 3:15,22,28,34,39,40,43, 9:1,3,5,11,22, 10:11, 11:20,21, 18:16, 20:1, 26:62, 28:14,16,17, 29:1,6,7,12, 33:3,38; Deuteronomy 1:3, 16:1, 21:13; Joshua 4:19, 5:10; 1 Samuel 20:27,34; 1 Kings 4:7,27, 5:14, 6:1,37,38, 8:2, 12:32,33; 2 Kings 15:13, 25:1,3,8,25,27; 1 Chronicles 12:15, 27:1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15; 2 Chronicles 3:2, 5:3, 7:10, 15:10, 29:3,17, 30:2,13,15, 31:7, 35:1; Ezra 3:1,6,8, 6:15,19, 7:8,9, 8:31, 10:9,16,17; Nehemiah 1:1, 2:1, 6:15, 7:73, 8:2,14, 9:1; Esther 2:16, 3:7,12,13, 8:9,12, 9:1,15,17,19,21,22; Jeremiah 1:3, 2:24, 28:1,17, 36:9,22, 39:1,2, 41:1, 52:4,6,12,31; Ezekiel 1:1,2, 8:1, 20:1, 24:1, 26:1, 29:1,17, 30:20, 31:1, 32:1,17, 33:21, 40:1, 45:18,20,21,25; Daniel 10:4; Hosea 5:7; Joel 2:23; Haggai 1:1,15, 2:1,10,18,20; Zechariah 1:1,7, 7:1,3,5, 8:19, 11:8; Luke 1:26,36; Revelation 9:15, 22:2 KJB

[4] Months: Genesis 38:24; Exodus 2:2, 12:2; Numbers 10:10, 28:11,14; Judges 11:37,38,39, 19:2, 20:47; 1 Samuel 6:1, 27:7; 2 Samuel 2:11, 5:5, 6:11, 24:8,13; 1 Kings 5:14, 11:16; 2 Kings 15:8, 23:31, 24:8; 1 Chronicles 3:4, 13:14, 21:12, 27:1; 2 Chronicles 36:2,9; Esther 2:12; Job 3:6, 7:3, 14:5, 21:21, 29:2, 39:2; Ezekiel 39:12,14, 47:12; Daniel 4:29; Amos 4:7; Luke 1:24,56, 4:25,35; Acts 7:20, 18:11, 19:8, 20:3, 28:11; Galatians 4:10; Hebrews 11:23; James 5:17; Revelation 9:5,10, 11:2, 13:5 KJB

[5] [One of] the “Great Lights”: Genesis 1:16; Psalms 136:7 KJB

[6] Lesser Light: Genesis 1:16 KJB

[7] Light: Psalms 74:16 KJB​

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We can see this in a specific example:

Ezra 3:4 KJB - They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;

Ezra 3:5 KJB - And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD.

Ezra 3:6 KJB - From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid.
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And also:

Esther 3:7 KJB - In the first month, that is, the month Nisan, in the twelfth year of king Ahasuerus, they cast Pur, that is, the lot, before Haman from day to day, and from month to month, to the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar.​

Even as sister White quotes:

"... They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required; and afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the Lord that were reconsecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the Lord. From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the Lord. {RH, March 28, 1907 par. 17}

"But the foundation of the temple of the Lord was not yet laid. {RH, March 28, 1907 par. 18} ..." - Review and Herald, March 28, 1907, par. 18

"... As preparations for building the temple advanced from month to month, the faithful remnant of Israel began to gather courage. Long had they been deprived of every visible token of God's presence with them. And now, surrounded as they were by many sad reminders of the terrible apostasy of their fathers, which had finally resulted in lifelong captivity, they longed for some abiding token of divine forgiveness and favor. Above the restoration of personal property and many ancient privileges, they valued the approval of God. Wonderfully had he wrought in their behalf; and now they longed for an assurance of his pardoning love and protecting care. By working diligently to rebuild the temple, they hoped to hasten the restoration of special blessings connected with the sanctuary service. Within the walls of this second temple they expected to see revealed the glory of the Lord. {RH, April 11, 1907 par. 1} ..." - Review and Herald, April 11, 1907, Par 1.​

 

[HIM]

Of course... I was only wondering of what order of priests we are....

Well if we are one in Christ and He is a after the order of Melchezidek then it would stand to reason so are we.

As we don't know diddly about who or what Melchezidek was or represented, I guess it's a moot point.

There is a lot written about him throughout Antiquity. Wikipedia compiled this.

In rabbinic literature[edit]
The narrative preceding Melchizedek's introduction presents a picture of Melchizedek's involvement in the events of his era. The narration details Abram's rescue of his nephew Lotand his spectacular defeat of multiple kings, and goes on to define the meeting place of Melchizedek and Abram as "Emek HaShaveh which is Emek HaMelech". The meeting site has been associated with Emek Yehoshaphat (the Valley of Josaphat).[45] Targum Onkelos describes the meeting location's size as "a plot the size of a king's Riis".[46] Midrashicexegesis describes how a large group of governors and kings convened in unison to pay homage to the victor Abram and desired to make him a deity, at which point he declined, attributing his victory to God's might and will alone.[47]

The chronological work Seder ha-Dorot (published 1769) quotes that Melchizedek was the first to initiate and complete a wall in circumference of the city,[48] and had to exit Salem to reach Abram and his men. Upon exiting Salem, he presented to them "bread and wine" with the intent to refresh them from their journey.[49] Assuming the premise that Melchizedek was Shem, he would have been 465 years old at the time and Abram was 75 years of age.[48]

Chazalic literature unanimously identify Melchizedek as Shem son of Noah (Targum Yonathan to Genesis chap. 14, Genesis Rabbah 46:7, Babylonian Talmud to Tractate Nedarim 32b). The Talmud Bavli attributes him (Shem and his beth din court of justice) as pioneers in banning prostitution (Avodah Zarah p. 36a).
Middle Eastern land distribution demonstrating the land of Canaangoverned by Cham
There is, however, disagreement amongst Rishonim as to whether Salem was Melchizedek/Shem's allocated residence by his father Noah or whether he was a foreigner in Salem which was considered the rightful land of his brother Cham. The Ramban is of the opinion that the land was rightfully owned and governed by the offspring of Cham, and explains that Melchizedek/Shem left his home country and came to Salem as a foreigner wishing to serve God as a Kohen.[50] However, Rashi maintains that the land of Canaan was initially allotted to Shem, by Noah his father, and the offspring of Cham conquered the land by forced expansion.[51]

 

[HIM]

The one we were referencing was the last paragraph in the OP.


Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional

There they will assemble in the sanctuary from Sabbath to Sabbath, from one new moon to another, to unite in loftiest strains of song, in praise and thanksgiving to Him who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb forever and ever.

So when you said,"Either way for Adventists that doesn't answer the question if Ellen White references the new moon in particular, not just the time monthly aspect."

So Your thinking she mention, "from one new moon to another in respect to the festivals? I see it as continuous worship. From Sabbath to Sabbath, from month to month. She only quoted it to bring our attention back to Isaiah 66. The KJV is a translation. There are many translation that translate the text differently. The LXX ; which is a Greek translation compiled before the time of Christ has it translated like this.
And it shall come to pass from month to month, and from sabbath to sabbath, that all flesh shall come to worship before me in Jerusalem, saith the Lord.
(Isa 66:23 Brenton)
With it being translated like that there is no confusion as to thinking that the translators in Alexandria thought the text was referencing the festivals. As a matter of fact at least in Isaiah they used an entirely different word to reference the New moon festivals. That word is noumenia. It is used in Isaiah 1:13 and 14. The Greek word men is used in Isaiah 66:23. As a side note the LXX is quoted in the New Testament more often than Masoretic. Not that that is an end all but it it is definitely note worthy; at least for me considering the quoting is being done by Jesus and the Apostles through the Holy Spirit.

 

[listed]

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. Isaiah 66:23.

Where does this verse say anything about keeping anything. All I read is about worship.

 

[listed]

Isaiah 66:21, reveals that God would take some persons "for" [in the stead of, place of, office of, etc] "priests and Levites". These are the Christians, a Kingdom of Priests, a royal nation an holy priesthood. Christ Jesus is the true Levi [attached to His Father and attached to us, Divinity and humanity].

Isaiah 66:20-23 KJB, deals with the true "children of Israel" [Jesus [true Israel], and his disciples [true children of Israel]]:

[Jesus is Israel part 1] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[Jesus is Israel part 2] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[Jesus is Israel part 3] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[Jesus is Israel part 4] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[Jesus is Israel part 5] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word​

and as such, it speaks of their future inheritance, the New Heavens and New Earth after the 1,000 years of Revelation 20; Isaiah 24; Daniel 7:22; 2 Peter 3:8-13 KJB, etc. As Isaiah 66:23 is given as prophecy, future tense, "It shall come to pass ...", "they shall", etc.

They shall what? I read worship. I don't read anything about "on" the sabbath. You're changing God's Word by adding and subtracting.