Jewish naming of YHWH

[Ken Rank]

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I think He calls Himself married.
The transliteration is spelled baal, but it is not referring to the name; noun or pronoun. It's a verb meaning to marry or rule over. That is why it was translated husband.
Isaiah 54:5 Interlinear: For thy Maker is thy husband, Jehovah of Hosts is His name, And thy Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, 'God of all the earth,' He is called.

It is one of a couple of Hebrew words that means husband. Usually ba'ali (same word, different form) I use that verse to show those who have all these hangups about using titles and the nonsense that "Lord=Ba'al" (as in the false god) are clueless seeing it IS a Hebrew word as well, and God has no ussue with it. That aside, He used titles to refer to Himself, His prophets called Him by titles and He didn't rebuke them... throw in what SHEM really means (thus proclaiming His name is proclaiming His greatness, not making sure we have some proper pronunciation for YHWH) and that's the end of the story.

 

[EmSw]

Maybe it's his last name.
Hello caesar Emannual.
Sounds good.

Or maybe, Emmanuel Smith.

 

[Micah888]

So what is going on here, and more importantly WHO thought they could countermand Yahweh himself?

This was a misinterpretation of the third Commandment, probably promoted by the rabbis, who preferred the doctrines of men. There is a huge difference between legitimately speaking of God and using His name in vain.

Also there were no vowels for YHWH (YHVH) so they substituted the vowels from "Adonai (Lord) and it become Yahweh or Yahovah or Jehovah. Therefore you will find LORD (small capitals) in the KJV.

As far as Christians are concerned YHWH = JESUS.

 

[Shek]

As far as Christians are concerned YHWH = JESUS.

This my name forever; יְהוָ֞ה

 

[Micah888]

This my name forever; יְהוָ֞ה

Since Jesus said that He is the "I AM", then He is also YHWH. He is called "the Alpha and the Omega" as well as "the Almighty" and "the mighty God".

 

[Shek]

the Alpha and the Omega

You're quoting what John in seeing in Revelation, not Jesus' words.

An angel was sent to show John future events. Revelation is the only witness testimony that's not quoting Jesus. They're all John's own words.

 

[Grip Docility]

You're quoting what John in seeing in Revelation, not Jesus' words.

An angel was sent to show John future events. Revelation is the only witness testimony that's not quoting Jesus. They're all John's own words.

Not if you believe 2 Timothy 3:16 and John 5:39.

YHWH even speaks through Isaiah in first person.

From my perspective, with that thinking, the whole bible becomes another book that is an interesting read and nothing more.

Weighing in on theological matters and discrediting a passage of scripture through commentary or perception is like playing foot ball, and saying that you can’t be tackled, can make a touch down on both sides of the field and touching the ball is an instant win.

It’s either authoritative on God or it’s not. I’ll rail against any extra biblical commentary or theologian any day, but the 66 are good for teaching and reproof, in my opinion, scriptures thrust and the pre Canonical church’s opinion, as well.

 

[Grip Docility]

Since Jesus said that He is the "I AM", then He is also YHWH. He is called "the Alpha and the Omega" as well as "the Almighty" and "the mighty God".

There is no mistaking otherwise. Even the founder of the Jehovah’s Whitness’s wrote this in his final scripture studies on Revelation.

The watch tower took it upon themselves to count that Heresy.

There is no mistaking otherwise in the passage of Revelation that you are referencing.

 

[Anguspure]

Why is it that the Jews do not use YHWH?

They claim it is too sacred.

But they are told to "proclaim his name" in Isaiah 12:4 and to call upon it in Psalms 105:1, so who came up with the idea of not saying Yahweh's name? It cannot have come from YHWH himself, as He told them to proclaim his name and I am unaware of any point in the Bible where the Jews are told (by Yahweh) to refer to Yahweh as "Adonai".

So what is going on here, and more importantly WHO thought they could countermand Yahweh himself?

The Religious, not just the Jewish religious, regulalry seek to countermand and control Him, it is the nature of the game. Because of His funny ideas about things, they even sought to have Him executed at one time, if I remember rightly.

 

[DamianWarS]

Why is it that the Jews do not use YHWH?

They claim it is too sacred.

But they are told to "proclaim his name" in Isaiah 12:4 and to call upon it in Psalms 105:1, so who came up with the idea of not saying Yahweh's name? It cannot have come from YHWH himself, as He told them to proclaim his name and I am unaware of any point in the Bible where the Jews are told (by Yahweh) to refer to Yahweh as "Adonai".

So what is going on here, and more importantly WHO thought they could countermand Yahweh himself?

as mention "shem" doesn't not mean exactly "name". English is an extremely abstract language and Hebrew is an extremely concrete language and abstract concepts don't always translate well.

we first see YHWH when God told Moses in the burning bush account. God says to Moses "I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I am has sent me to you.'" so what is God's "name" it is "I AM" which in Hebrew is 'HYH (אהיה). But this isn't YHWH (יהוה) so what gives? God goes on...

"Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.

in the text "LORD" is YHWH so we stop at this and say this is God's name. This is not true, God's "shem" is just how he says it "The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you." and God says "this is my shem forever" it is not the part but the whole.

Back to "I AM" the hebrew for "HE IS" (third person of I AM) is YHWH (or specifically Yihweh). They "I AM/'HYH and HE IS/YHWH are related and essentially mean the same thing. In context it makes sense... "Say to the Israelites, ‘[HE IS], the God of your fathers..."

I AM/HE IS is "God's Name" but it's not really a name is it. It is a state that is above all names. it really is silly to think that the eternal all power God has a name limited to a specific language (it actually is counter-eternal). God is the great I am and his "shem" is cemented in the foundations of the earth as the God that has always been; the God of our fathers, the God of the Old Covenant, and God of the New Covenant.

 

[Shek]

God of the New Covenant.

Curious...

Can you show me a passage in the NT that was authored by a witness of Jesus ministry quoting him talking about the "New Covenant"?

It would have to come from one of these testimonies.

Matthew, John, James, Peter, Jude.

 

[Grip Docility]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere (can't remember if it was Jewish Mysticism, secrets of Kabbalah or Enoch)....but the reason that it's not spoken is because you can literally summon Seraphim or Cherubim by speaking it phonetically correct. The "name" is a closely guarded secret because it's so powerful.

I’ll be honest with you, I don’t attempt to sway Spiritual forces, so I couldn’t even begin to answer this with any shred of knowledge, info or confidence.

It is in the show “Supernatural” in a sort of way, but not the exact way you’re saying or Christ’s name. I know that’s fiction and totally immaterial, but I found your post interesting and jumped at the opportunity to not be a pain in your side with my answer.

All of Christ’s Love to you.

 

[Grip Docility]

Curious...

Can you show me a passage in the NT that was authored by a witness of Jesus ministry quoting him talking about the "New Covenant"?

It would have to come from one of these testimonies.

Matthew, John, James, Peter, Jude.

Sure, but Jesus spoke in parable and you have to grasp the grape verses.

They’re Grrrrrrrrr-ape. (Tony the tiger joke, Frosted Flakes)

 

[Shek]

I know that’s fiction and totally immaterial, but I found your post interesting and jumped at the opportunity to not be a pain in your side with my answer.

I don't watch TV, but if you like that kind of trash entertainment...don't expect any kind of religious teaching from it.

Kabbalah is very serious and Enoch was no fool, but King Solomon may have gone too far.

 

[Shek]

Sure, but Jesus spike in parable and you have to grasp the grape verses.

This is the only one and he's not talking about a new covenant.

Matthew 26:28

He's talking about the Ark of the Covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31

Paul taught the new covenant, but not Jesus.

 

[Grip Docility]

I don't watch TV, but if you like that kind of trash entertainment...don't expect any kind of religious teaching from it.

Kabbalah is very serious and Enoch was no fool, but King Solomon may have gone too far.

I see. Interesting.

 

[Grip Docility]

This is the only one and he's not talking about a new covenant.

Matthew 26:28

He's talking about the Ark of the Covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31

Paul taught the new covenant, but not Jesus.

Oh, a new “Ark of the Covenant”. You realize how far off topic we now are, right?

Also, I have to be sincere that you are so far out in left field, I’m certain no real dialogue can occur, with you.

Make a goof ball, anything goes, thread and drop my name. I would converse because you are interesting.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why is it that the Jews do not use YHWH?

They claim it is too sacred.

But they are told to "proclaim his name" in Isaiah 12:4 and to call upon it in Psalms 105:1, so who came up with the idea of not saying Yahweh's name? It cannot have come from YHWH himself, as He told them to proclaim his name and I am unaware of any point in the Bible where the Jews are told (by Yahweh) to refer to Yahweh as "Adonai".

So what is going on here, and more importantly WHO thought they could countermand Yahweh himself?

I wish more Bible versions would use the Hebrew transliteration in all the forms of "God and Lord".

Both are "transliterations" of the Hebrew words #3068 and #430.

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number H3068 matches the Hebrew יְהֹוָה (Yĕhovah),

Strong's Number H430 matches the Hebrew אֱלֹהִים ('elohiym)

Gene 2:4 [Revelation 15:]
These are the generations of the heavens and of the land when they were created,
in the day that Yahweh/Yĕhovah<3068>יְהֹוָה > 'Elohiym/אֱלֹהִים ('elohiym),>430> to make the earth and the heavens,

Exodus 15
1 Then Moseh san and the sons of Yisra'el this song unto YHWH, and they spake saying,--"I will sing to YHWH for He is exalted exalted,--The horse and his rider hath He cast into the Sea.
2 My might and melody is Yah, and He became mine salvation/y@shuw'ah.--
This is my 'El and I will glorify Him, '
Elohiym of my father and I will set Him on high". '
4 YHWH man of war; YHWH is His name.

It is also repeated in Reve 15 [coincidentally, the same chapt number]

Revelation 15:3
and They are singing the Song of-Mosheh, the bond-servant of the God, and the song of the Lamb, saying,
`Great and marvelous the works of Thee, Lord!,the God, the Almighty, just and true the ways of Thee, the king of the [*Ages/Saints] Nations

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[Anguspure]

as mention "shem" doesn't not mean exactly "name". English is an extremely abstract language and Hebrew is an extremely concrete language and abstract concepts don't always translate well.

we first see YHWH when God told Moses in the burning bush account. God says to Moses "I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I am has sent me to you.'" so what is God's "name" it is "I AM" which in Hebrew is 'HYH (אהיה). But this isn't YHWH (יהוה) so what gives? God goes on...

"Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.

in the text "LORD" is YHWH so we stop at this and say this is God's name. This is not true, God's "shem" is just how he says it "The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you." and God says "this is my shem forever" it is not the part but the whole.

Back to "I AM" the hebrew for "HE IS" (third person of I AM) is YHWH (or specifically Yihweh). They "I AM/'HYH and HE IS/YHWH are related and essentially mean the same thing. In context it makes sense... "Say to the Israelites, ‘[HE IS], the God of your fathers..."

I AM/HE IS is "God's Name" but it's not really a name is it. It is a state that is above all names. it really is silly to think that the eternal all power God has a name limited to a specific language (it actually is counter-eternal). God is the great I am and his "shem" is cemented in the foundations of the earth as the God that has always been; the God of our fathers, the God of the Old Covenant, and God of the New Covenant.

Nevertheless it would save a great deal of theological/philosophical time if it was understood that the starting point for considering the identity of God is simply "I AM".

 

[Grip Docility]

Nevertheless it would save a great deal of theological/philosophical time if it was understood that the starting point for considering the identity of God is simply "I AM".

And yet, the very title Creator denotes a complexity.

Then again, perhaps that is the point. God makes God’s self known, but by name, deeds and all the like, it will take eternity to begin to fully understand our King.

This reminds me of these verses:

John 21:24 This is the disciple who is bearing witness about these things, and who has written these things, and we know that his testimony is true.

25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.